Guitar Discussion V10 - February 2013 edition - General

[QUOTE=J Paul;42180989]Yeah, that's essentially what I'm saying. The question I'm trying to answer though is [i]how[/i] the speaker output influences the strings because understanding the mechanism allows you to exploit it, and this is what I've found: Obviously, the easiest way to do it is when you have a normal acoustic guitar that has a vibrating top to which the strings are anchored. The output of the speakers is so intense that it makes the top resonate which makes the strings resonate because they are attached to it. And that's why it gets harder and harder to achieve the more anchored the strings get, being hardest to achieve with a solid body guitar. You can still achieve it though depending on the pickups, you want your pickups to be unpotted so that parts inside the pickup will resonate and this is almost as good as having the top move because it still creates that feedback loop you want, in the right circumstance. That's why I suggest acoustics or at least a hollow body or a semi-hollow.[/QUOTE] From what I've noticed, most solid bodies with floating trems get very nice feedback.

[QUOTE=Nazereth666;42229157]Yeah I had that problem a long time ago with the intro for Stranglehold by Ted Nugent, I just slowed it down and figured out where I was going wrong.[/QUOTE] I couldn't get it right yesterday, but I somehow I can play it now! Woohey!

[QUOTE=Rapist;42235251]I couldn't get it right yesterday, but I somehow I can play it now! Woohey![/QUOTE] Yeah I usually just keep playing something till I can play it right and then I sit back and wonder how I couldn't do that in the first place...

[QUOTE=Kyle v2;42229374]From what I've noticed, most solid bodies with floating trems get very nice feedback.[/QUOTE] yeah I've noticed that too, probably similar in mechanism to how it works on hollow body guitars and acoustics, the strings aren't nearly as anchored so there's something somewhere that can vibrate, it's probably the bridge itself. it'd be great if someone did a legitimate study on this and pinned down the feedback formula exactly but essentially yeah the idea is something in the guitar has to move, but only vibrate otherwise obviously you'd have tuning issues. ideally you'd want the whole guitar to be resonating, like if you laid it on a table and plucked a string it should vibrate on the table like a cell phone. And this is something that goes back to what I've heard paul reed smith say, the guitar is only ever subtractive, the strings want to vibrate and resonate all day and the guitar is only ever going to dampen that, so you want to be in a situation where you can dampen it as little as humanly possible, and that's why PRS private stock guitars are phenomenal instruments. they hand-pick everything in the guitar to specifically resonate as much as possible.

well a good place to start is making pickups with no magnetic pull [editline]19th September 2013[/editline] aside from that you could make the guitar itself out of air maybe

feedback is caused by the pickups picking up the vibrations from the speaker. the reason hollowbodies do it is because the whole top picks up vibrations from the speaker, which are then picked up by the strings, which are then picked up by the pickups. the reason jazzmaster types do it is because the bridge vibrates, which vibrates the strings, which gets picked up by the pickups. the pickups on jazzmaster types are really hot too so that helps if a solid-body with plain old humbuckers or single coils and a fixed bridge does it, it's because the pickup isn't potted well, and the coils are rattling around. want feedback? find a cheap pickup with wax potting, sit at it with a heat gun for a little while, and put it in your guitar or buy a sustainiac

and become steve vai

how do i not drop picks into the hole of my acoustic guitar?

[QUOTE=kitteh-nator;42251291]how do i not drop picks into the hole of my acoustic guitar?[/QUOTE] I superglue picks to my fingers if I'm playing a show

[QUOTE=kitteh-nator;42251291]how do i not drop picks into the hole of my acoustic guitar?[/QUOTE] Whenever I play an acoustic I use these picks with a texture kind of like a cats tongue, I rarely drop picks in acoustic guitars now. The stupid thing is I use plain tortex picks for electric and NEVER drop any of them. Acoustic guitars are assholes.

Switched strings to left handed position on my stagg, which is a classical acoustic. oh god its in tune until i play notes have I bent the neck [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] On a much lighter note, I can almost play Layla properly! JOY!

[QUOTE=Rapist;42253693]Switched strings to left handed position on my stagg, which is a classical acoustic. oh god its in tune until i play notes have I bent the neck [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] On a much lighter note, I can almost play Layla properly! JOY![/QUOTE] you didn't adjust the intonation

it's impossible to do it's a stagg [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] I mean it seems to be working now, I'll check it out more tomorrow.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi1LoKfrctU[/media] This is great

How Tommy Emmanuel isn't one of the better known guitarists of today is beyond me.

I don't know either. This has got to be my favourite song by him and his brother. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WDb-OvFoyA[/media]

[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;42260038]How Tommy Emmanuel isn't one of the better known guitarists of today is beyond me.[/QUOTE] he kinda is

[QUOTE=butre;42260755]he kinda is[/QUOTE] A lot of guitarists know of him, but the dude should pretty much be a rock star with how good he is.

He's a better guitarist that most, and he's a much better performer than anyone I know.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJrGn-U0650[/media] clearly Lil Wayne is the best

oh wow all along the watchtower intro is suprisingly easy.

I scored an early 70's Sunn Studio Bass combo amp for $230 earlier today, only problem with it is some idiot decided to spraypaint the felt (and the epic logo plate with it) orange and it took me quite a while to scratch the paint off that plate without ruining it, but it works perfectly. [img_thumb]http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/246/hvoi.jpg[/img_thumb] No wonder the band named themselves after these, fucking makes my whole house shake.

Hello, may I introduce my buddies Void (some PRS SE custom 22) on the right and Edward (Schecter Blackjack ATX C-7) on the left. [img]http://i.imgur.com/QSp7YJz.jpg[/img]

nice guitars!

DISCUSSION TIME! What do you think of relic'd guitars? Personally I am fine with relic'd guitars, I have played Fender's relic'd models such as the Road Worn and Custom Shop Heavy Relic models. I know it is a touchy topic seeing as some of these heavy relic models by Fender cost as much as $9,000 and at a certain point I think it gets a bit ridiculous. But let me focus on the more affordable Road Worn models. I have a couple guidelines with relic'd guitars from the factory, no matter how messed up the guitar looks it MUST not affect the playability. And with the Fender models at least I can say they honestly feel better than a new guitar, even with the cheaper road worn models they do take their time and make the guitar feel like it has been around for quite some time. Compared to a brand new strat around the same price range I prefer the road worn models, sure they have the 7.25" fretboard radius which means you need higher action to play in tune but for me I play with a higher action anyways so not a problem for me. Second guideline is it has to keep wearing which means they need to be painted with nitro lacquer, sure it is nice that it looks worn from the factory and that is a nice start but it would be kind of boring if they relic'd a poly coated guitar. In 10 years you would end up with a guitar that looks like thousands of others because it would NOT continue to wear. As far as the Custom Shop Relic models it seems a bit more absurd when you get into the $4,000+ models but anything under that is fair game for me. In the end you are ending up with a custom shop strat, and after playing a few I can say they are very great instruments, unlike the road worn models they are not exactly vintage spec and are meant to be a bit more playable with a flatter fretboard radius, better pickups, and better hardware. I have to say all in all I am ok with relic'd guitar whether it be done by the factory or by the consumer, in the end it is the choice of the buyer to decide if he wants a brand new shiny guitar or one that is simulated to look pre loved. And Fender gives you the option for both, want a brand new shiny guitar that you can wear yourself over time? Buy one of the Classic Series Lacquer models. Same goes for the custom shop models, they offer both shiny and beaten in nitro lacquer. The only downside to relic'd guitars is people thinking your pride and joy that you have worn to bits yourself is a fake, I know I have gotten comments about my Ibanez being a relic but honestly it doesn't bug me too much because I know the truth and that is what matters to me. I can look at my guitar and see the history and that is why I like it. That is what I like about the Fender relic models, even though they are brand new they feel like they have a history.

factory relics (ie fender road worn and such) are dumb, but a guitar that's either been customized by the user or by time are nice

i don't really care. i like them. if they come in my preferred colors or paint types, then i'm down to break them in, or buy them looking like they're broken in. i do see a lot of hate and love for them on other forums though.

[QUOTE=Unreliable;42300997]i don't really care. i like them. if they come in my preferred colors or paint types, then i'm down to break them in, or buy them looking like they're broken in. i do see a lot of hate and love for them on other forums though.[/QUOTE] I honestly am considering buying one of the road worn strats, I would buy one of their shiny new lacquer ones but they don't come in the color I want. Hopefully in the future they will release more colors.

do it! they sound fantastic and they look good too. who gives a fuck what a few guitar aficionados think.

Personally I see the less expensive relic models as a great way to get a nitro finished fender without paying for a nitro gloss finish. it'd be cool if they did like gibson and just offer more guitars in a satin nitro without distressing it but I think the relic process allows them to do a lower quality finish where the imperfections aren't noticed because the finish has whole chunks missing. it would be nice if they would keep the road worn so you can have entry level nitro guitars, but also introduce more satin nitro guitars that are just a step higher in price without relicing, and the gloss nitro guitars obviously remain the high mark.