Guitar Discussion V10 - February 2013 edition - General

[QUOTE=Rapist;42421903]that can not be true jesus [editline]5th October 2013[/editline] rocksmith does not have nearly enough clapton in it[/QUOTE] Back when guitar hero first came out I had a friend who used to try and show me up all the time. He would learn songs (or so he thought) on guitar hero and then he would play them on his guitar in drop D so he could kind of play like he would in guitar hero. He would never play any other strings than the E and A strings though. Everything after that was kids commenting on my guitar videos on youtube saying how much I suck and how they can play through the fire and flames on expert in guitar hero...

[QUOTE=Rapist;42417927]What do you guys think of rocksmith?[/QUOTE] I didn't care for it. It's a video game, not a learning tool. Trying to repeat segments and learn them better is clunky, if you fail more than a couple times it will kick you down to a lower (worthless) difficulty level, and the UI gets in the way if you try to pause it and actually look at the notes and chords. I find it much, much easier to just learn with Guitar Pro tabs.

[QUOTE=J Paul;42421980]Rocksmith is kind of like an interactive tab, I guess. Personally I just don't see the point in learning things by tabs, you should at least learn the rudiments of music theory and start from there. Because that's really all you need to start building your chord vocabulary which is what will allow you to play songs just from hearing them rather than having to learn things by playing a tab that you see on the screen or by mindlessly memorizing the tab. Theory is an instruction manual on how to make music in general, but a tab is only an instruction manual on how to play one song. Obviously one is tremendously more valuable to your musical growth than the other. learning to play the right intervals regardless of the key is the most important thing to sounding good on an instrument, and it's also something no tab will ever teach you. a tab will only instruct you on how to play the recording note for note without any understanding of how the system works and how to make it work for you in a different context.[/QUOTE] Just learning by ear sounds so difficult though, I've done a few notes but never more. I know little music theory, some basics.

god I remember guitar hero comments on youtube they were so awful

[QUOTE=Rapist;42422023]Just learning by ear sounds so difficult though, I've done a few notes but never more. I know little music theory, some basics.[/QUOTE] Well obviously you don't just trial and error your way note for note through a song. You start by practicing simple songs in major keys and tuning your ear to recognize important intervals like i-iv-v and ii-v-i and eventually once you get good enough at recognizing these things, you won't need to figure out the song note for note, you'll just recognize the musical idea and you can find your own unique way to convey that. Next time you go to learn a song, just look up the chords for it and play those. Learn to play and sing the rhythm part. With knowledge of the chords comes the knowledge of what notes work within that context and which ones don't, which will lead to you finding your own way to express the overall musical idea behind the song. Once you have the rhythm part down, either play to a loop of that chord progression or have someone play the rhythm part for you, and practice improving over it. You'll find that your improv will gravitate to whatever musical idea was there anyway but you'll find your own way of expressing it.

[QUOTE=J Paul;42422060]Well obviously you don't just trial and error your way note for note through a song. You start by practicing simple songs in major keys and tuning your ear to recognize important intervals like i-iv-v and ii-v-i and eventually once you get good enough at recognizing these things, you won't need to figure out the song note for note, you'll just recognize the musical idea and you can find your own unique way to convey that. Next time you go to learn a song, just look up the chords for it and play those. Learn to play and sing the rhythm part. With knowledge of the chords comes the knowledge of what notes work within that context and which ones don't, which will lead to you finding your own way to express the overall musical idea behind the song. Once you have the rhythm part down, either play to a loop of that chord progression or have someone play the rhythm part for you, and practice improving over it. You'll find that your improv will gravitate to whatever musical idea was there anyway but you'll find your own way of expressing it.[/QUOTE] Alright, I'll try that, figuring out chords is much easier than single notes, so I like that improv idea. scratch that I just learned the intro to Wonderful Tonight by ear wooo

[QUOTE=butre;42422039]god I remember guitar hero comments on youtube they were so awful[/QUOTE] god I remember guitar hero it was so awful

[QUOTE=Rapist;42422148]Alright, I'll try that, figuring out chords is much easier than single notes, so I like that improv idea. scratch that I just learned the intro to Wonderful Tonight by ear wooo[/QUOTE] yeah man it's not that hard, you'll always get better at it. the more scales, chords, and modes you learn, the easier it'll be to do it by ear. It's like learning any language, all it really takes is immersion.

I'm self taught on guitar, I always get immensely exited when I discover something new like some moments where I suddenly understood modes or the fact you can mix minor and major scales with great effect or even weird chord combinations.

[QUOTE=Grindigo;42422699]I'm self taught on guitar, I always get immensely exited when I discover something new like some moments where I suddenly understood modes or the fact you can mix minor and major scales with great effect or even weird chord combinations.[/QUOTE] That's awesome, I had fun when I discovered you can just plug notes from a major scale into a pentatonic scale.

[QUOTE=Grindigo;42422699]I'm self taught on guitar, I always get immensely exited when I discover something new like some moments where I suddenly understood modes or the fact you can mix minor and major scales with great effect or even weird chord combinations.[/QUOTE] 8 years self taught now, I still get the feeling. I think the best feeling ever is when I hear a riff that sounds like it would be difficult and then when I go to actually learn it it turns out to be pretty easy. The solo from Aeromancy by Dorje was a perfect example, it has one hard bit but for the most part it is a pretty easy solo.

[QUOTE=Grindigo;42422699]I'm self taught on guitar, I always get immensely exited when I discover something new like some moments where I suddenly understood modes or the fact you can mix minor and major scales with great effect or even weird chord combinations.[/QUOTE] I took lessons for about a year or two, but I never really learned a real solid musical theory basis. Over the course of the last two years, I've taken that mixture of song-learning mixed with self-teaching on my own and really started to dig a bit deeper into basic musical theory myself. That being said, I still massively suck at it and half the time when I'm writing I just say 'fuck you' and improv whatever my fingers can easily stretch to to make a chord that sounds okay for what I'm playing.

Also two of my friends are telling me to switch my strings around and learn left handed because apparently playing upside down I'll run into problems. How do I prove them wrong? :v: I'll still keep playing my way either way.

[QUOTE=Rapist;42422989]Also two of my friends are telling me to switch my strings around and learn left handed because apparently playing upside down I'll run into problems. How do I prove them wrong? :v: I'll still keep playing my way either way.[/QUOTE] Show them Albert King. It might be hard if you ever have to show somebody how to play something but it is your playing that you should worry about. There are plenty of unique players, Jeff Healey is one of my favorites. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js2ujWXj204&list=FL-yakrALrWa5iL_otWQncEQ&index=3[/media]

dang standard squiers come in a couple of new models [Img]https://ne1.wpc.edgecastcdn.net/00077D/fender/images/2013/home/features/block/2013/460x220/09_squier_fmt.jpg[/Img] [t]http://assets.fender.com/frl/7dfedf55c7d28c4c2acac240bcca132d/generated/86ceb3c861ac3d7b0737b2ccde488ca3.png[/t][t]http://i.ebayimg.com/t/New-Squier-Standard-Stratocaster-FMT-Rosewood-Fingerboard-Amber-Sunburst-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMDMw/z/ngwAAOxy-W9STKxb/$%28KGrHqZ,!lIFJFzhYn3hBSTK%29,0Hlg~~60_57.JPG[/t] wish they had this a year ago when I bought one of them

[QUOTE=J Paul;42422060]Well obviously you don't just trial and error your way note for note through a song. You start by practicing simple songs in major keys and tuning your ear to recognize important intervals like i-iv-v and ii-v-i and eventually once you get good enough at recognizing these things, you won't need to figure out the song note for note, you'll just recognize the musical idea and you can find your own unique way to convey that. Next time you go to learn a song, just look up the chords for it and play those. Learn to play and sing the rhythm part. With knowledge of the chords comes the knowledge of what notes work within that context and which ones don't, which will lead to you finding your own way to express the overall musical idea behind the song. Once you have the rhythm part down, either play to a loop of that chord progression or have someone play the rhythm part for you, and practice improving over it. You'll find that your improv will gravitate to whatever musical idea was there anyway but you'll find your own way of expressing it.[/QUOTE] I feel like an idiot. I spend six months of actual lessons learning about bass chords and chord progression and I still can't recognize that kind of stuff when I listen to music and I still don't know what to do with that information today.

[QUOTE=Nazereth666;42422906]8 years self taught now, I still get the feeling. I think the best feeling ever is when I hear a riff that sounds like it would be difficult and then when I go to actually learn it it turns out to be pretty easy. The solo from Aeromancy by Dorje was a perfect example, it has one hard bit but for the most part it is a pretty easy solo.[/QUOTE] I remember learning first part of Holy Wars the Punishment Due by Megadeth, now when I look at it, I find it easy, I find solos harder than rhythm parts at the moment, I don't get excitement with shred solos, I like melodic ones more like Marty Friedman does on Rust in Piece. I sort of started my interest in guitar back when I was 16 years old but the real thing started when I was 19, got my electric guitar, maybe some sort of gift but after a month maybe I knew all the techniques and how to use them fluently, how to bend notes accurately and do vibrato, playing songs was more difficult because I couldn't piece them together in my mind but I used to get sudden clarity moments like waking up in the morning and realizing something then picking up the guitar and discover something new. This still carries on and makes me want to get up every day.

[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;42423414]dang standard squiers come in a couple of new models wish they had this a year ago when I bought one of them[/QUOTE] I would kill to have that red one. There's something about red guitars that excites me. Also I have been fiddling around with my Vypyr 30, this shit is so fun jesus christ I don't regret anything. [editline]6th October 2013[/editline] I've self taught myself as well. The names of some chords still jumble around in my head even after 2 years. It gets to the point where I have to say "the one that goes like this" :downs:

[url]http://store.guitarfetish.com/RED-Mother-of-Pearl-Celluloid-Top-Lightweight-Tele-Bound-_p_8878.html[/url] guitarfetish got some neat new bodies in recently

[QUOTE=butre;42425300][url]http://store.guitarfetish.com/RED-Mother-of-Pearl-Celluloid-Top-Lightweight-Tele-Bound-_p_8878.html[/url] guitarfetish got some neat new bodies in recently[/QUOTE] They do look kind of nice.

[QUOTE=solid_jake;42425235]I would kill to have that red one. There's something about red guitars that excites me. Also I have been fiddling around with my Vypyr 30, this shit is so fun jesus christ I don't regret anything. [editline]6th October 2013[/editline] I've self taught myself as well. The names of some chords still jumble around in my head even after 2 years. It gets to the point where I have to say "the one that goes like this" :downs:[/QUOTE] Not to mention red guitars are chick magnets. :v:

[QUOTE=Banned?;42424350]I feel like an idiot. I spend six months of actual lessons learning about bass chords and chord progression and I still can't recognize that kind of stuff when I listen to music and I still don't know what to do with that information today.[/QUOTE] nah man it's pretty simple, if you know a bunch of chords and a bunch of different voicings for those chords then all you need to do is think of some songs you'd like to play and see which chords they use and use notes from the different voicings of each chord you've learned, to suit the context. the bassline for good vibrations is really simple, it's just running through the fundamental notes of each chord as the chorus goes along and then switches to a syncopated melodic bassline for the verse. That's some basic stuff you can do. To go a little farther, improv some blue notes, like someone else said mix major and minor, try some shit. knowing all that stuff, scales, chords, and modes, is what helps you improv; when you have an idea of where the notes for the different voicings of each chord are across the fretboard it makes it a lot easier to end up at or near the notes you want as you play in the context of any given song.

How badly do you need locking nuts for floyd rose tremolo guitars to replace the strings? I'm picking up a Jackson I haven't touched in a while but I'm missing one of the locking nuts and I really want to play it now. Can I just replace the strings anyway?

[QUOTE=J Paul;42425762]nah man it's pretty simple, if you know a bunch of chords and a bunch of different voicings for those chords then all you need to do is think of some songs you'd like to play and see which chords they use and use notes from the different voicings of each chord you've learned, to suit the context. the bassline for good vibrations is really simple, it's just running through the fundamental notes of each chord as the chorus goes along and then switches to a syncopated melodic bassline for the verse. That's some basic stuff you can do. To go a little farther, improv some blue notes, like someone else said mix major and minor, try some shit. knowing all that stuff, scales, chords, and modes, is what helps you improv; when you have an idea of where the notes for the different voicings of each chord are across the fretboard it makes it a lot easier to end up at or near the notes you want as you play in the context of any given song.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's the music I listen to. idk. I just never "got" it. I haven't played in a long time too. I feel guilty even reading this thread.

Rocksmith can be fun when it actually picks up the notes I fucking play and doesn't randomly up the difficulty for no reason when i've practiced the other version

I had to cancel my order at Thomann because there was issues with payment, went to Andertons instead to order it, last one and on display, I've got email from them saying it's in good condition and if I accept, of course I accepted, if something is wrong with it 7 day return time, the only thing that is killing me now is waiting for it, way too excited. I just want to sit down and play it so bad, eargasm etc.

[QUOTE=Grindigo;42441031]I had to cancel my order at Thomann because there was issues with payment, went to Andertons instead to order it, last one and on display, I've got email from them saying it's in good condition and if I accept, of course I accepted, if something is wrong with it 7 day return time, the only thing that is killing me now is waiting for it, way too excited. I just want to sit down and play it so bad, eargasm etc.[/QUOTE] When I bought a guitar from Musician's Friend it took 3 weeks to arrive and I was so excited but it took so god damn long.

[QUOTE=Leader of Me;42441752]When I bought a guitar from Musician's Friend it took 3 weeks to arrive and I was so excited but it took so god damn long.[/QUOTE] Mine should arrive by Wednesday, that's my guess, yet I can't be arsed to play on my current guitar as it became so muddy in sound which makes hard to distinguish chords, my bridge pickup is most likely dying due to sweat and dirt, but yeah that guitar was for around 220£ so not much to expect and served me for good 3 years of time and played two small gigs with it, frets are really used too and uneven, two more years and the fretboard would probably start to get holes or something as it's pretty heavily scratched, I'm very used to this guitar, every single inch of it.

Thomann has free shipping it's time to order picks

I just got email that my order was dispatched and picked up by the courier, I guess it will arrive tomorrow then, I'll probably won't sleep this night, too much excitement. Will be delivered by UPS, free delivery and so soon, nice.