Kitara - The World's First Digital Guitar - General

Most of the people bashing it don't understand it's concept. I don't think most of facepunch is ready to accept something they don't understand, but thanks for posting it anyways. (My condescending is justified).

[QUOTE=bulletshield;33016461]Most of the people bashing it don't understand it's concept. I don't think most of facepunch is ready to accept something they don't understand, but thanks for posting it anyways. (My condescending is justified).[/QUOTE] I think there may be [I]some[/I] lack of understanding, but in general I believe they know what they are talking about, and just aren't ready to accept change yet. But only they know. [QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;33015380]I like it. It isn't meant to replace the guitar. Would it play well with other instruments, though? Wouldn't this be a good keyboard replacement?[/QUOTE] Interesting thoughts. [QUOTE=thisispain;33014892]there's no guitar in techno[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqPYte8tvc[/media] Techno on an acoustic guitar. [QUOTE=fenwick;33013545]Calling it "the world's first digital guitar" is an outright lie. MIDI pickups have been around for a long time, and there have already been plenty of guitar-shaped MIDI controllers since the 1980s. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/SynthAxe.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] Well that looks interesting... [QUOTE=thisispain;33012454]oh my dear god why.[/QUOTE] Sorry, first thing that popped into my head.

[QUOTE=Elements;33017683] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqPYte8tvc[/media] Techno on an acoustic guitar. [/QUOTE] you mean U2, because that's just U2. short delay on rapid guitar arpeggio's isn't techno, not even close. if it was then there are prog songs that count as techno :rolleyes: yes i am FP's official electronic music snob.

[quote]We are obsessed with digital guitar. But we also love electric guitar, and we have learned what it's good at and what it's capable of. Some of its most important qualities and characteristics stem from the very fact that the electric guitar is made out of wood and strings. A guitar string is "beautiful" - because the sound generated comes from the very vibration of the string, interfering with a magnetic flux and inducing an electric voltage, which is then amplified. Why would you want to emulate that? It is perfection. It is pure nature. It is in the analog domain. We did not intend the Misa digital guitar to replicate a traditional guitar. Electric guitars are great for electric music. Digital music is a different story. Traditional guitars by their very nature have limitations in the context of digital music. To create sound you need to hit a string, so that the sound at its most intense point is always the beginning of the pluck. The left hand controls what notes to play, and the right hand controls when to play these notes and the intensity of the notes. Effects can be inserted into the signal chain, but they are usually foot pedals which makes the experience of controlling effects disjointed from what your hands are doing. Plus, you can only really control one pedal at a time. Even in the (rare) case that controls are mounted on the guitar, the hand needs to switch between strings and controls. This may be okay if you only use effects occasionally, but when every note you play needs the controls set differently - good luck with that. Electronic music cannot be played effectively with such constraints. In electronic music, the timbre (or colour) of the sound can be morphed in an infinite number of ways. For a guitar to accommodate this, the right hand needs more control than just plucking strings. You need to be able to control elements of the sound, such as sustain, pitch, filter or any other synthesizer parameter, in a way that has no physical constraints. This was the thought process when designing the Misa kitara. There are no strings on this instrument. The right hand doesn't pluck strings, it controls sound. So don't compare the kitara to acoustic guitars or electric guitars. Those are different instruments, for different art forms, for different music. This is electronic music.[/quote] All right, this should clarify some things.

Well, classifying myself as shredder, I can say that there is a lot of potential in this instrument. But, believe me, it will be a lot easier if you know guitar first so you can have better control and more options when making/playing music. I would consider this as my next guitar, but then again, that's what we have effects pedals for. Roland GR-55, for example: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUk5EvOi3iw&feature=related[/media] Still, if I had the money, I would definitely consider this instrument. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;33014892]there's no guitar in techno[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3myqXnXHUY[/media] Not sure if this "techno," since it is such a vague genre, but I think this might contradict your statement.

[QUOTE=BenJammin';33014294]I oppose this idea. Keep your digital techno shit off the guitar.[/QUOTE] What part of those two sentences couldn't be applied just as easily to making electric guitars instead of acoustics?

[QUOTE=bulletshield;33018278]All right, this should clarify some things.[/QUOTE] sounds like they just suck at doing stuff. listen to GY!BE or MBV and you'll find normal electric guitars are only limited by someone's imagination. [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Nahyan;33018585] Not sure if this "techno,"[/QUOTE] it's not techno: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTM4p0Hx0o[/media]

So I've been hearing a lot about how this is just an overpriced touchpad synth and whatnot, and I was wondering where I can get one of the normal priced things that can do something like this. It'd make remixes so much easier.

Is buying one of these worth the price plus the stupid big taxes we have in Brazil?

honestly it's fuck ugly compared to regular guitars

How does one wammy?

It's not meant as a replacement for the guitar, it's just a neat touch-screen synth in the shape of a guitar. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] Also it has more voices than just guitar sounds. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;33014892]there's no guitar in techno[/QUOTE]You can put any instrument in any genre.

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33034957] You can put any instrument in any genre.[/QUOTE] not if the genre is specifically a revolt towards an instrument. when kraftwerk was making the first roots of techno the guitar was their enemy.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33035106]not if the genre is specifically a revolt towards an instrument. when kraftwerk was making the first roots of techno the guitar was their enemy.[/QUOTE]Show me the rule that says "there cannot be guitars in techno".

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035195]Show me the rule that says "there cannot be guitars in techno".[/QUOTE] show me techno from a while ago that actually uses audible guitar. till it's used in techno it's not very true to say guitar is used in techno, it's not a typical instrument nor even used on rare occasions. at most things that just kind of sound like guitars are used. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMxqk2GGMkI[/media] i'm not being snobby or an asshole, guitar is seriously just not used in much of any measure in techno. it's contrary to the aethetic.

You could use accordion in death metal and it would still be death metal.

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035285]You could use accordion in death metal and it would still be death metal.[/QUOTE]Well yeah, that's because death metal is "death" metal because of the lyrics being centric around death. Growling doesn't make it a death metal song.

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035285]You could use accordion in death metal and it would still be death metal.[/QUOTE] k but does that mean people in death metal right now use accordions? i don't think so, apart from the one anomaly group who thought that would be funny. you're confusing with what can be and what is. you could put anything in techno, but people don't put everything in techno.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33035236]show me techno from a while ago that actually uses audible guitar. till it's used in techno it's not very true to say guitar is used in techno, it's not a typical instrument nor even used on rare occasions. at most things that just kind of sound like guitars are used. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMxqk2GGMkI[/media] i'm not being snobby or an asshole, guitar is seriously just not used in much of any measure in techno. it's contrary to the aethetic.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LER_1W2Hc&ob=av2n[/media]

You're being kinda strict with your idea of genres. Music doesn't have rules, and conventions like "no guitars in techno" and "no accordions in death metal" should be challenged, just like in any other art form.

let me make it absolutely clear to everyone in one statement: Techno could have guitars, but as of right now as far as most people are concerned when we talk about techno there are no guitars. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=itzspacy;33035367][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LER_1W2Hc&ob=av2n[/media][/QUOTE] that's definitely not techno lol WHITE PEOPLE, DANCING TO EPIC MUSIC!!!! ADAGIO FOR STRINGS! CHEESY 80'S GUITAR!!

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035413]You're being kinda strict with your idea of genres. Music doesn't have rules, and conventions like "no guitars in techno" and "no accordions in death metal" should be challenged, just like in any other art form.[/QUOTE]You're not getting it. If it features a certain instrument, vocal style, whatever, it would be a completely different genre.

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035413]You're being kinda strict with your idea of genres[/QUOTE] niggah i didn't say you can't use guitars in techno! it's just nobody does. i'm sorry that's just the reality.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33035443]You're not getting it. If it features a certain instrument, vocal style, whatever, it would be a completely different genre.[/QUOTE]So if you have a death metal song with one clean verse, then it creates its own completely separate genre? By extension that should make every single song its own genre, since each one has a different melody, lyrics, structure, timbres, etc. A bit extreme, but it's following the same logic. Genre isn't a bunch of distinct cookie-cutter categories, it's just a general spectrum.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33035430]let me make it absolutely clear to everyone in one statement: Techno could have guitars, but as of right now as far as most people are concerned when we talk about techno there are no guitars.[/QUOTE] The difference between using an accordion in death metal and relating genres with other various unconventional instruments is that EDM is created using basic tones that are manipulated to blend well with other tones. So a guitar and a lead for a techno song can both be very related. Every instrument creates a certain sound, but when you use the basic of the basic of tones you can blend all of those together in a certain form to make what is known as electronic music.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33035460]niggah i didn't say you can't use guitars in techno! it's just nobody does. i'm sorry that's just the reality.[/QUOTE]I'm sure that out of all the techno in existence, there's at least one song with guitar in it. Unless you've heard every single one, in which case I admit I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=itzspacy;33035475]EDM is created using basic tones that are manipulated to blend well with other tones. So a guitar and a lead for a techno song can both be very related.[/QUOTE] i don't even know what that means. electronic dance music isn't the same thing as techno. techno is something specific that was born with Kraftwerk and continued in the 90's with acid techno and experimental techno. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035499]I'm sure that out of all the techno in existence, there's at least one song with guitar in it. [/QUOTE] when the evidence for that presents itself, we'll find out

[QUOTE=thisispain;33035501]i don't even know what that means. electronic dance music isn't the same thing as techno. techno is something specific that was born with Kraftwerk and continued in the 90's with acid techno and experimental techno. [/quote] EDM is a generalization of any type of electronic music including techno trance acid house or anything else.

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=lstQ2uYXNqg[/url] Isn't this techno? I didn't actually listen to the video but it is IMO

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33035474]So if you have a death metal song with one clean verse, then it creates its own completely separate genre? By extension that should make every single song its own genre, since each one has a different melody, lyrics, structure, timbres, etc. A bit extreme, but it's following the same logic. Genre isn't a bunch of distinct cookie-cutter categories, it's just a general spectrum.[/QUOTE] Where did I say that? If the lyrics are death centric, and the instrumentalization falls in the anals of metal, with clean vocals, it would be a death metal song.