[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16870891]I know what nationalism is, but I've never heard of anyone taking it seriously except for Hitler, Mussolini, and Stormfront.org.[/QUOTE]
Or a good portion of the population of most countries with a functioning military, apparantely.
[QUOTE=Alde;16870887]Why?
Stop trolling.
I've never seen you post in this thread.[/QUOTE]
You responded to my post, so clearly you did. I will ask it again.
If I am holding a handgun to your temple, and you are perfectly able to kill me before I kill you, what would you chose? I'm not insinuating anything, I'm merely curious. If it's me or you, would you act to preserve yourself?
[QUOTE=Strider_07;16870938]
If I am holding a handgun to your temple, and you are perfectly able to kill me before I kill you, what would you chose? I'm not insinuating anything, I'm merely curious. If it's me or you, would you act to preserve yourself?[/QUOTE]
Hypothetically? I would disarm you and knock you unconscious.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16870914]yeah no shit nationalism is usually referred to as one of the causes of WW1
it's not exactly something to be proud of[/QUOTE]
The Crusades were started over religious differences, but most people are proud of being Catholic.
[QUOTE=LOLturtle;16870768]Alde, get out. It's obvious that you're a biased ignorant anti-military liberal pussy.[/QUOTE]
Sur, plz take the blu pill.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;16870912]How is accepting humanities shortcomings rather then hating heroes a 5 year old's argument?[/QUOTE]
you believe war is us vs them and we're the good guys
it's very tribalistic and juvenile
[QUOTE=Alde;16870960]Hypothetically? I would disarm you and knock you unconscious.[/QUOTE]
You don't think he should die?
[QUOTE=Alde;16870903]Yeah it is, dipshit.[/QUOTE]
Get out you dumb fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=Strider_07;16870938]You responded to my post, so clearly you did. I will ask it again.
If I am holding a handgun to your temple, and you are perfectly able to kill me before I kill you, what would you chose? I'm not insinuating anything, I'm merely curious. If it's me or you, would you act to preserve yourself?[/QUOTE]
He would obviously use the power of his words to convince you to lower your gun, and then you can be friends and have lively chats about existentialism outside a cafe (preferably in a university). :downs:
/sarcasm
How dare you compare America in any way to Nazi Germany or Facist Italy. They killed millions of Jews for no reason at all, and I happen to decend from European Jews.
America both fought a nation who supported terrorism and was led by a crazed dictator.
Do you think we should've left Hitler in power? Should we just ignore the suffering of others for our own pathetic ideals of life? Answer honestly.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16870970]you believe war is us vs them and we're the good guys[/QUOTE]
It IS us vs them.
Nationalism. Whatever country you belong to, you are always the good guy.
[QUOTE=hijacker;16870975]Get out you dumb fucking idiot.[/QUOTE]
–verb (used with object)
4. Law. to kill by an act constituting murder.
[b]5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.[/b]
6. to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.
[quote]Nationalism. Whatever country you belong to, you are always the good guy. [/quote]
Nationalists are idiots.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16870962]The Crusades were started over religious differences, but most people are proud of being Catholic.[/QUOTE]
that's not an event or a religion to be proud of :smug:
[QUOTE=Wangman;16870989]It IS us vs them.
Nationalism. Whatever country you belong to, you are always the good guy.[/QUOTE]
Def logical
WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS BECAUSE I'M ON OUR SIDE
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;16870982]How dare you compare America in any way to Nazi Germany or Facist Italy. They killed millions of Jews for no reason at all, and I happen to decend from European Jews.
America both fought a nation who supported terrorism and was led by a crazed dictator.
Do you think we should've left Hitler in power? Should we just ignore the suffering of others for our own pathetic ideals of life? Answer honestly.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I've ever seen righteous Jew rage. This should be pretty awesome.
(no offensiveness intended)
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16870997]Def logical
WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS BECAUSE I'M ON OUR SIDE[/QUOTE]
It relies more on emotion than logic.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16870989]It IS us vs them.
Nationalism. Whatever country you belong to, you are always the good guy.[/QUOTE]
hahahaha yeah since when in the past 50 years has the US been the good guy
How clear does this have to be?
You live in America. The people who we are at war with attacked/ are attacking our country/soldiers.
How is it in any way immoral to fight them?!
[QUOTE=Wangman;16870989]It IS us vs them.
Nationalism. Whatever country you belong to, you are always the good guy.[/QUOTE]
sorry to intrude but you are very dumb
i figured we would have learned nationalism isn't a very good thing
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16871012]hahahaha yeah since when has the US been the good guy[/QUOTE]
Depends upon your perspective. To me, always.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;16870982]How dare you compare America in any way to Nazi Germany or Facist Italy. They killed millions of Jews for no reason at all, and I happen to decend from European Jews.
America both fought a nation who[B] supported terrorism[/B] and was led by a crazed dictator.
Do you think we should've left Hitler in power? Should we just ignore the suffering of others for our own pathetic ideals of life? Answer honestly.[/QUOTE]
America has its own fair share of death toll of innocents.
You do know America supports countries that support terrorists, right?
America in 1942 is a lot different to that of America 2003.
[quote]You live in America. The people who we are at war with attacked/ are attacking our country/soldiers.
How is it in any way immoral to fight them?! [/quote]
Pretty sure killing people is immoral.
[QUOTE=Alde;16870993]–verb (used with object)
4. Law. to kill by an act constituting murder.
[b]5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.[/b]
6. to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.[/QUOTE]
hu⋅mil⋅i⋅ate  [hyoo-mil-ee-eyt or, often, yoo-] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -at⋅ed, -at⋅ing.
1) to cause (a person) a painful loss of pride, self-respect, or dignity; mortify.
2) Alde
[QUOTE=Conscript;16871015]sorry to intrude but you are very dumb
i figured we would have learned nationalism isn't a very good thing[/QUOTE]
you r dumb cuz u hav diffrent opinon. herd derp.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871003]It relies more on emotion than logic.[/QUOTE]
If you argue against the side logic supports, you are wrong.
Period. By definition of logic.
[QUOTE=hijacker;16871028]hu⋅mil⋅i⋅ate  [hyoo-mil-ee-eyt or, often, yoo-] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -at⋅ed, -at⋅ing.
1) to cause (a person) a painful loss of pride, self-respect, or dignity; mortify.
2) Alde[/QUOTE]
Great counter-argument.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871020]Depends upon your perspective. To me, always.[/QUOTE]
then you obviously have not studied American history in any depth
chippay get in here
[QUOTE=Alde;16870960]Hypothetically? I would disarm you and knock you unconscious.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, that's what I was asking. And since you came out and were straightforward with me, before it comes up, yes, I support the military, but I am also of the belief that war is an unfortunate but unavoidable part of the human psyche. People have been in conflict since the dawn of time, have they not? I'm not saying killing people and raping their families is ok, nor is it necessary, just that it is. If you look back through time, people have always been at war. It's sad and tragic, and avoidable if people think rationally, but we are an irrational and panicky group of beings that's prone to resort to violence at the slightest sign of competition.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;16871023]You do know America supports countries that support terrorists, right?
America in 1942 is a lot different to that of America 2003.[/QUOTE]
Terrorists that went after us.
[QUOTE=Alde;16871024]Pretty sure killing people is immoral.[/QUOTE]
Your perspective.
Revolution: Fought against monarch.
WWI: Helped Europe.
WWII: Helped Europe.
Vietnam/Korea: Admittedly a flawed war.
Middle East: Toppled dictators and fought terrorists who caused 9/11.
We aren't always the rambo-esque heroes, but we are usually pretty fucking right.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871034]you r dumb cuz u hav diffrent opinon. herd derp.[/QUOTE]
no im pretty sure it has to do more with rationality than an opinion
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