[QUOTE=Wangman;16871485]People on the military channel are civilians toting around weaponry thinking their cool.[/QUOTE]
yeah like R Lee Ermey
[QUOTE=Strider_07;16871444]I'm not defending either side, necessarily. If anything, I'm trying to stay objective here. Not all Americans are blindly patriotic.
I'll openly come out and admit that I'm proud to be a middle-class white American because I've got it pretty damn good. While I can see why we aren't the infallible superhero of world affairs, it's not like you can label everyone who's proud to be a citizen of their country an idiot just because that country's fucked up in the past. I'm openly embarrassed about how some of our service members conduct themselves. Everyone seems to be trying to make things black and white, though.
The Middle Eastern farmer who takes arms against the United States can't be anymore in the right than the American who takes arms against the Middle Eastern farmer if killing is wrong all around.[/QUOTE]
well I at least give you credit for seeing that the "enemy" is just as human as "ARE BOYS", but nobody can choose what nation they're born in
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16871473]50$ says you watch the military channel regularly and thinks the F22 is the coolest goddamn airplane and we should buy 50 more of them[/QUOTE]
50 for you!
And the Su-47
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871424]l2read[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871438]Apparently not.
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Don't act like you don't do it too.
Your still repeating yourself.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871506]Don't act like you don't do it too.
Your still repeating yourself.[/QUOTE]
I am repeating myself because you're still failing to understand the words I am saying to you.
If you can't understand the notion that something is as it's defined, you have deeper problems than I can fix.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16871500]well I at least give you credit for seeing that the "enemy" is just as human as [b]"ARE BOYS"[/b], but nobody can choose what nation they're born in[/QUOTE]
Judging from you failure at grammar, you strike me as a small child.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871497]yeah like R Lee Ermey[/QUOTE]
That's one.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871525]I am repeating myself because you're still failing to understand the words I am saying to you.
If you can't understand the notion that something is as it's defined, you have deeper problems than I can fix.[/QUOTE]
I understand perfectly. You seem to think that just because something is defined as such, it is.
[QUOTE=Strider_07;16871490]No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that by nature, people are agressive. Some people will go to any length to get their point across. I'm not saying that all people who are anti-war are hypocrites, I'm saying that you can't group people based on one sole factor.[/QUOTE]
We're human, killing is what we do just like all other animals. Animals do it for survival and some do it just for sport just like us. Saying killing is wrong is a tricky and complicated judgement, it is right or wrong depending on those who witness it and what exactly happened.
I can see killing for fun wrong.
I don't see killing for survival wrong, but I don't necessarily agree to it being good or right. It is just nature.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871529]I understand perfectly. You seem to think that just because something is defined as such, it is.[/QUOTE]
When it's a concept it is.
Actually, when it's anything. I could say a dog has 6 legs. This could be true. It would just mean what we call a dog is not a dog as I am defining it.
[QUOTE=hijacker;16871502]50 for you!
And the Su-47[/QUOTE]
well sorry but the f-22 is in fact a very poor aircraft, warporn nerding out or not!
I haven't got any more time to post right now, but if you google around a bit, you'll find that it's been the target of controversy lately because the windshield is a piece of shit, the engine needs maintenance for every 1.5 hours of flight, and rain can fuck up the stealth coating
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871529]Judging from you failure at grammar, you strike me as a small child.
That's one.
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I understand perfectly. You seem to think that just because something is defined as such, it is.[/QUOTE]
he was making fun of people who do that sort of thing.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871544]When it's a concept it is.[/QUOTE]
There you go again with the "it is because it is" logic.
This is going nowhere, I declare a call back to topic.
Feel free to either agree or just tell me to go fuck myself.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871529]Judging from you failure at grammar, you strike me as a small child.
That's one.
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I understand perfectly. You seem to think that just because something is defined as such, it is.[/QUOTE]
wangman it's a running joke, parody of conservative hicks and misspellings on protest signs
THIS IS ARE COUNTRY, etc
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16871500]well I at least give you credit for seeing that the "enemy" is just as human as "ARE BOYS", but nobody can choose what nation they're born in[/QUOTE]
No, they can't. War isn't the first and only option, it should be a last defensive resort. Talking to people and trying to calm them down is the proper and civil way to handle foreign affairs, [I]however[/I], there are people who are completely unreasonable. There are people in the middle east just as shit retarded as some of the people over here.
Wangman and JohnnyMo1 I don't even remember what you two are even arguing about anymore. Something about the definition of logic?
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871529]Judging from you failure at grammar, you strike me as a small child.
That's one.
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I understand perfectly. You seem to think that just because something is defined as such, it is.[/QUOTE]
Actually I'd see you in reality as a retard.
As for this Adlide-or-whatever guy, I'm going to lay it out as simple as this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00[/media]
[QUOTE=Vasili;16871542]We're human, killing is what we do just like all other animals. Animals do it for survival and some do it just for sport just like us. Saying killing is wrong is a tricky and complicated judgement, it is right or wrong depending on those who witness it and what exactly happened.
I can see killing for fun wrong.
[highlight][B][I][U]I don't see killing for survival wrong, but I don't necessarily agree to it being good or right. It is just nature.[/U][/I][/B][/highlight][/QUOTE]
MY POINT EXACTLY! Someone give the nice young man a cookie.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16871569]wangman it's a running joke, parody of conservative hicks and misspellings on protest signs
THIS IS ARE COUNTRY, etc[/QUOTE]
Then I apologize, I did not know.
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[QUOTE=hijacker;16871590]Actually I'd see you in reality as a retard.
As for this Adlide-or-whatever guy, I'm going to lay it out as simple as this.
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Me or him?
[QUOTE=Strider_07;16871593]MY POINT EXACTLY! Someone give the nice young man a cookie.[/QUOTE]
Appeal to nature is incredibly stupid. Something is okay because it's natural? How does that make any sense? I guess it's okay to run around naked and masturbate because it's natural.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16871569]wangman it's a running joke, parody of conservative hicks and misspellings on protest signs
THIS IS ARE COUNTRY, etc[/QUOTE]
At least he attempts to use proper grammar.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16871564]There you go again with the "it is because it is" logic.[/QUOTE]
The fuck are you talking about. I'm going back to my "You learned fucked-up English" proposition, because you're clearly incapable of viewing and comprehending the words I am saying. If I define "right" as "all things that are correct," if something is incorrect, it is not right. By definition. That is what being right is.
Jesus, are you a fucking epistemological nihilist or something?
[QUOTE=Alde;16871617]Appeal to nature is incredibly stupid. Something is okay because it's natural? How does that make any sense? I guess it's okay to run around naked and masturbate because it's natural.[/QUOTE]
:smug:
[QUOTE=hijacker;16871502]50 for you!
And the Su-47[/QUOTE]
The F22 sucks, holy shit I'm joining the Air Force in a year and I knew that.
[QUOTE=Vasili;16871583]Wangman and JohnnyMo1 I don't even remember what you two are even arguing about anymore. Something about the definition of logic?[/QUOTE]
He's saying that logic is not always right, which makes absolutely no sense.
[QUOTE=Alde;16871617]Appeal to nature is incredibly stupid. Something is okay because it's natural? How does that make any sense? I guess it's okay to run around naked and masturbate because it's natural.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say it was okay. I said it was a fact of life. It's not going to go away if you wish it away. It would be nice if it would, and I would be all for a world without conflict, but it's not going to happen.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871621]The fuck are you talking about. I'm going back to my "You learned fucked-up English" proposition, because you're clearly incapable of viewing and comprehending the words I am saying. If I define "right" as "all things that are correct," if something is incorrect, it is not right. By definition. That is what being right is.
Jesus, are you a fucking epistemological nihilist or something?[/QUOTE]
I could not be farther from a epistemological nihilist.
I comprehend and understand your proposition perfectly...and I disagree with it.
On another note, I'm glad to see you showing some emotion. Your posts seemed like they were typed by an ammoral robot or something.
[quote]I could not be farther from a epistemological nihilist.[/quote]
Then you're just an idiot, plain and simple.
[quote]On another note, I'm glad to see you showing some emotion. Your posts seemed like they were typed by [b]an ammoral robot or something.[/b][/quote]
Bolded the part where you're a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Alde;16871617]Appeal to nature is incredibly stupid. Something is okay because it's natural? How does that make any sense? I guess it's okay to run around naked and masturbate because it's natural.[/QUOTE]
Killing someone and streaking are two very different things, honer roll.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16871637]He's saying that logic is not always right, which makes absolutely no sense.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that, for me at least, logic is not the only factor that comes into how I think and act. Emotion is a very significant factor too.
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[QUOTE=Alde;16871655]Then you're just an idiot, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
Are you one?
[QUOTE=Alde;16871655]Then you're just an idiot, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
Your an idiot.
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