• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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Why would I need a tax stamp for it? This is what I'm talking about [img]http://www.classicfirearms.co/images/saiga165.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35894936]Why would I need a tax stamp for it? This is what I'm talking about [img]http://www.classicfirearms.co/images/saiga165.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-barreled_rifle[/url] I thought you meant one of these: [img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2233/2453443828_4ae3d595a9.jpg[/img]
Oh. Those are designated as pistols in America aren't they? I saw some Dracos on the website I'm looking at everything else for and it said they were considered Pistols by the ATF
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35894333]Okay so I need some help here guys. Next week I will have about $500 to spend on some new guns. POSSIBLY $1200 but that depends entirely on whether or not I can sell my airsoft gear and fish tank by then. I've narrowed my list down to 6 different firearms, but I can't decide. Help me out here. I'm looking at: $150 - Chinese T53 Mosin w/ Side-Folding Bayonet, chambered in 7.62x54 $400 - 91/30 Mosin Sniper w/ Original 3.5x PU Scope, chambered in 7.62x54 $380 - Saiga Short-Barrel Rifle, Chambered in .223 (Could this fire 5.56x45?) $500 - [b]AK-MV Romanian AK-47 Variant, Semi Auto w/ Wood Furniture, Chambered in 7.62x39[/b] $250 - Norico JW-2000 Coach Shotgun, Double Barrel. 12 Gauge $370 - Saiga 20" Barrel Sport Rifle, Chambered in 7.62x39[/QUOTE] You seem to be talking about buying an AK a lot, so go for that.
Well, I love the style of AK type rifles. But at the same time dropping $500 on a gun is not THAT appealing. Then again I also know that a lot of guns are expensive.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35895451]Well, I love the style of AK type rifles. But at the same time dropping $500 on a gun is not THAT appealing. Then again I also know that a lot of guns are expensive.[/QUOTE] I can't comment on the quality of a norinco coach gun... but I know that stoeger makes one and it is $300 dollars. Last time I was at my local gun shop he had one and it seemed to be of good quality. Probably more as an alt to it rather than an improvement.
rifle caliber pistol: [IMG]http://www.jcweaponry.com/images/ar15/Pistol6.jpg[/IMG] short barrel rifle: [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/IMAG0261.jpg[/IMG] To our government, the fact that it is designed so you can hold it to your shoulder makes all the difference in the world.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35894009]Wait I'm confused, I'm going to colour the brass casing of the bullet and then look at the casing to look for scratches to see if it's expanding? I know it's expanding. When I drop them in, they're a perfect fit, and to take them out after firing them I have to hit them with something hard with the ramrod. So I'm confused as to what this will accomplish. Also I thought you couldn't just plain up load .32 Magnums into an M1895 Nagant without a modification? [editline]9th May 2012[/editline] I buy all of my stuff from them. They're an awesome supplier. Their prices are good, very fast packaging and shipping (I ordered my Mosin-Nagant and it was at my FFL Dealer in a little under two days), same for my M1895 Nagant Revolver. Haven't had an issue with them yet.[/QUOTE] What this is going to do is determine if it has to deal with either hot loads or someone tampered with the cylinder. If there's scratches all over the case it means it's a hot load, if there's scratches around a part of the case it means someone tried to polish the chambers and messed up/the chambers were messed up from something. In all likelihood I'm thinking it's hot loads. You don't need to replace the cylinder. They make .32 acp cylinders and what not, but .32 H&R magnum will fit fine in the stock cylinder (as well as .32 long). [img]http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4065/76238comparison.jpg[/img]
See, I keep seeing pictures of 7.62x38mmR Nagant ammunition that look like THAT. With the bullet completely encased with the casing and the little nubbin at the top wrapped almost entirely around it with a small hole. What I have looks more like the casing just extends past the bullet and very slightly angles inward.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35896512]See, I keep seeing pictures of 7.62x38mmR Nagant ammunition that look like THAT. With the bullet completely encased with the casing and the little nubbin at the top wrapped almost entirely around it with a small hole. What I have looks more like the casing just extends past the bullet and very slightly angles inward.[/QUOTE] Im going to say it's probably because of the rounds you're using. I'm assuming they're surplus. Try some new production through it and see how it handles.
I'll see about getting my hands on some new, but it's a pain in the ass since you have to be 21 to buy pistol ammo and I'm 20 :v: So I gotta go through friends. Really, I only bought the M1895 Nagant for a home defence weapon. It's sexy, which I like, and it's something I can grab out of my bedside table quickly and fire at intruders through my doorway (Which faces the front door).
Anyone collect old Hoppe's stuff? I got a bottle of vintage Hoppe's No. 9 today. Copyrighted 1937, the paper label is still in great shape and there's a bit of Hoppe's left inside. [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1351.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1352.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1355.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1357.jpg[/IMG]
I think i may have found someone to swap my Springfield XD Sub-Compact for a NIB Glock 19, plus cash. This will be awesome, because with my working at Midway USA, i can get the employee discount on a 9mm barrel to swap out and shoot 9mm, and still be able to shoot 40 S&W when i feel like it. Let's hope this works out.
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;35898356]I think i may have found someone to swap my Springfield XD Sub-Compact for a NIB Glock 19, plus cash. This will be awesome, because with my working at Midway USA, i can get the employee discount on a 9mm barrel to swap out and shoot 9mm, and still be able to shoot 40 S&W when i feel like it. Let's hope this works out.[/QUOTE] Glock 19 already shoots 9mm though?
[QUOTE=Esrange;35897991]Anyone collect old Hoppe's stuff? I got a bottle of vintage Hoppe's No. 9 today. Copyrighted 1937, the paper label is still in great shape and there's a bit of Hoppe's left inside. [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1351.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1352.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1355.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/Esrange/DSCN1357.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Admit it, you thought about huffing it.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35900302]Yeah.. you'd have to get a .40 short and weak barrel for it.[/QUOTE] Do you [i]ever[/i] have anything positive to say?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeXVrLWlCrg#t=1318s[/media] Nice. Look at the muzzleflash in 22:00
Dem O's.
Wow. [img]http://i.imgur.com/ZIKDq.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Awegner;35888459]I am thinking of getting a 10/22 ruger for my first firearm. My dad used to be a cop and says its a good starter weapon. Any ideas?[/QUOTE] I'd go a little bigger personally. Maybe a .30-30 Marlin. Nothing too crazy but if you want to go hunting you can actually bag something larger than a rabbit [editline]10th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35894333]Okay so I need some help here guys. Next week I will have about $500 to spend on some new guns. POSSIBLY $1200 but that depends entirely on whether or not I can sell my airsoft gear and fish tank by then. I've narrowed my list down to 6 different firearms, but I can't decide. Help me out here. I'm looking at: $150 - Chinese T53 Mosin w/ Side-Folding Bayonet, chambered in 7.62x54 $400 - 91/30 Mosin Sniper w/ Original 3.5x PU Scope, chambered in 7.62x54 $380 - Saiga Short-Barrel Rifle, Chambered in .223 (Could this fire 5.56x45?) $500 - AK-MV Romanian AK-47 Variant, Semi Auto w/ Wood Furniture, Chambered in 7.62x39 $250 - Norico JW-2000 Coach Shotgun, Double Barrel. 12 Gauge $370 - Saiga 20" Barrel Sport Rifle, Chambered in 7.62x39[/QUOTE] Get the coach gun, they're fantastic for hunting or home defense and are great fun at the range
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35904993]If all opinions were to be positive then there would be no opinions. .40 S&W is not inherently accurate, it has issues and I would never shoot one in a Glock.[/QUOTE] There's nothing inherently wrong with the .40 S&W round. It has similar ballistics to the 9mm Lugar while being able to transfer more energy to the target. As a pistol round you're not going to be laser accurate in the first place, and when used as intended as a duty round it preforms fine. The issues that stem from the .40 S&W have nothing to do with the round but more with the weapons firing it. The issue with glocks is the feed ramp is much larger than their other models, which leave the rear base of the round unsupported when chambered. Typically the case burst from reloads that were loaded to higher than normal pressures. Using stock purpose built ammo typically will not run into any problems. The same issues happen in other fire arms. The problem is usually firearms are adapted rather than designed around the .40, usually being derived from 9mm's. You need a longer feed ramp to accept the larger round, and that feed ramp ends up into part of the chamber leaving the bottom of the case unsupported. Blame your firearms, not the round itself.
I have a first gen glock in 40 short and weak, and none of my hot loads have kb'd
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35905320]And that's why I wrote "I would never shoot one [U]in a Glock[/U]". The problem has apparently been "fixed" but the case is still not completely supported. .40S&W [B]is[/B] actually short and weak compared to its parent round 10mm Auto. It's a completely unnecessary solution to a non-existent problem created by FBI agents that found 10mm auto (a round with recoil and muzzle tilt close to the one of .357 Mag that was previously used in [B]revolvers[/B]) to have a "hard" recoil. They made it shorter and less powerful, and it was turned into garbage for the first years it was issued because the projectiles used in standard loads either overpenetrated or didn't expand at all. An autoloader has less recoil than a revolver and how the agents that used .357 Mag before 10mm was to be introduced can complain over the recoil when it's really almost identical, or even softer, is beyond me.[/QUOTE] Most agents used .38 special +P or 9mm in their service pistol before the 1986 Miami shootout. They wanted a more powerful round to address the shortcomings of the 9mm that they could put in an auto platform. They discovered that the 10mm is too hard for a standard agent with average training to allow follow up shots, hence why the round was shortened into the .40 S&W. That coupled with the rounds large size made it only able to be chambered in large framed pistols, which made it awkward or even unusable to some agents. The over penetration and non-expansion had to deal more with the choice of bullet than the round itself. Once that was resolved there was no issue. Hence why it is still used by the FBI and police agencies around the country.
[video=youtube;O1d7i3i0LLI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1d7i3i0LLI[/video] Fuck watermelons.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35905320]And that's why I wrote "I would never shoot one [U]in a Glock[/U]". The problem has apparently been "fixed" but the case is still not completely supported. .40S&W [B]is[/B] actually short and weak compared to its parent round 10mm Auto. It's a completely unnecessary solution to a non-existent problem created by FBI agents that found 10mm auto (a round with recoil and muzzle tilt close to the one of .357 Mag that was previously used in [B]revolvers[/B]) to have a "hard" recoil. They made it shorter and less powerful, and it was turned into garbage for the first years it was issued because the projectiles used in standard loads either overpenetrated or didn't expand at all. An autoloader has less recoil than a revolver and how the agents that used .357 Mag before 10mm was to be introduced can complain over the recoil when it's really almost identical, or even softer, is beyond me.[/QUOTE] I'd also add with newer modern powders they've managed to get some pretty hot stuff out of 40 slow and worthless. I think it's an alright round. Seems to be the only pistol caliber round that's always in good stock these days. 357 magnum, 9mm and 45 ACP are borderline wiped out in all the stores I go to :(
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;35906792]I'd also add with newer modern powders they've managed to get some pretty hot stuff out of 40 slow and worthless. I think it's an alright round. Seems to be the only pistol caliber round that's always in good stock these days. 357 magnum, 9mm and 45 ACP are borderline wiped out in all the stores I go to :([/QUOTE] Where the hell are you going, people are always surprised to find out that the hunting store I work at carries pistol ammo despite not carrying pistols and we have buttfucktons of .45 and 9mm, and a fair bit of .357. .357 is expensive though, it's between $28-$32/50. Hell, we even have 250 packs of .45 for $120, granted when we're selling .45 for $27/50, that's not a huge savings. We also carry bulk .38spl for $90/250, and had bulk 9mm for a while at the same, but it all sold.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35903176]Get the coach gun, they're fantastic for hunting or home defense and are great fun at the range[/QUOTE] Not arguing against the Coach, I really want it, but how exactly does one shoot a shotgun at a range? I'm assuming with slugs, but don't those carry a lot more energy than standard rifle cartridges? Would a rifle backing for a range be able to withstand 12 gauge slugs?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35907133]Where the hell are you going, people are always surprised to find out that the hunting store I work at carries pistol ammo despite not carrying pistols and we have buttfucktons of .45 and 9mm, and a fair bit of .357. .357 is expensive though, it's between $28-$32/50. Hell, we even have 250 packs of .45 for $120, granted when we're selling .45 for $27/50, that's not a huge savings. We also carry bulk .38spl for $90/250, and had bulk 9mm for a while at the same, but it all sold.[/QUOTE] I'm down in the assnowhere woods of Virginia. There's three stores that are in realistic driving distances, Dick's Sporting goods is the only one which seems to have all pistol calibers in good stock in some form, but it's almost an hours drive and the traffic up where it is, [i]is not[/i] fun. Then there's Walmart which has the best prices funnily enough. But its only got .40 and 380acp in stock most of the time. They don't restock often. And then there's the hunting store which is the same story. They restock pretty often. It just sells very quickly. 44 Magnum is also really easy to find in all of these stores. Which I'm considering a revolver in that caliber over a .357 mag/.38spl (despite how much better I can handle .357's).
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35904993]If all opinions were to be positive then there would be no opinions.[/QUOTE] It is my opinion that strawberry ice cream tastes delicious. In my opinion, Faze is a pretty helpful guy when it comes to finding cheaper 7.62x38mm ammo UncleJimmemea isn't as bad as I thought, and is actually pretty nice and helpful Wow so I guess these opinions don't exist right?
[QUOTE=Karishnikova;35908213]Not arguing against the Coach, I really want it, but how exactly does one shoot a shotgun at a range? I'm assuming with slugs, but don't those carry a lot more energy than standard rifle cartridges? Would a rifle backing for a range be able to withstand 12 gauge slugs?[/QUOTE] By "range" I mean a ditch in the woods where you can pin a target to the tree nobody goes to actual ranges
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