[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35933653]I know you can theoretically make bullets out of pure or slightly alloyed copper, but would it be possible to melt down pennies and cast those into bullets?
I'm getting into metal casting and I think it'd be cool to make my own bullets, but I don't have the resources to make lead bullets and jacket them. Plus I think it would be humorous to shoot money at stuff.[/QUOTE]
there's no reason you couldn't.
there's no reason you couldn't go solid lead either as long as you clean your gun often
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35933653]I know you can theoretically make bullets out of pure or slightly alloyed copper, but would it be possible to melt down pennies and cast those into bullets?
I'm getting into metal casting and I think it'd be cool to make my own bullets, but I don't have the resources to make lead bullets and jacket them. Plus I think it would be humorous to shoot money at stuff.[/QUOTE]
Unless the penny is from before the 1960's it's not copper anymore. They switched to a zinc alloy along time ago.
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;35933727]On the off topic of Canadian pennies. I wonder if in 30 years or so they will be worth something?[/QUOTE]
Nope haha there are millions, gonna stay the same probably
Yeah, just get yourself some alloy lead or some old tire weights or something. Most lead you see today is a lead/tin alloy which is what you want so it'll engage the rifling better.
[QUOTE=Sir Spicy Buns;35933750]Nope haha there are millions, gonna stay the same probably[/QUOTE]
Damn... worth a try though... now aboot them guns.
Go strip abandoned buildings of copper wire like a hobo or something.
I shit you not, hobos do that because of copper's scrap value.
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Apparently cpt. armadillo thinks I've rather informative, seeing as he tends to rate almost all my posts as such.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35933693]Destroying money is a federal, criminal offence in most countries. You'd have to get Canadian pennies (while they still exist) or the smallest form of currency from other nations and melt it down. That, and pennies aren't even pure copper anymore.[/QUOTE]
And how, exactly, are they going to know I melted down pennies? They're useless pieces of currency, you drop them in a bucket when you get home and then toss them in a forge for about 15 minutes and they melt.
Even on the EXTREME off chance that a cop happens to come by and see what you're smelting and he looks in the crucible, which would require me to remove the lid to the forge which I could say no to because that would technically be a search and also it lets all the heat out, you can't even tell what's really in the crucible.
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[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;35933747]Unless the penny is from before the 1960's it's not copper anymore. They switched to a zinc alloy along time ago.[/QUOTE]
Well
Can you make bullets out of zinc alloy? :v:
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35934073]Go strip abandoned buildings of copper wire like a hobo or something.
I shit you not, hobos do that because of copper's scrap value.
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Apparently cpt. armadillo thinks I've rather informative, seeing as he tends to rate almost all my posts as such.[/QUOTE]
Well honestly once I've got my forge set up I'll have all tons of scrap.
Which leads to my next question:
What can you make bullets from? I know Copper and Lead. Can you make them out:
-Iron?
-Brass?
-Tin?
-Zinc?
-Nickel?
-Aluminium?
I'll make the fuckers out of whatever I can and can get my hands on.
I ACTUALLY might be able to make my own casings, too, but I'm not quite sure how that'd work.
How do they make bullet casings?
It depends on how well the bullets will grip the rifling and if they will damage it in attempting such. Steel-jacketed bullets are often copper-washed to avoid steel-on-steel wear in the barrels of firearms. You should also check how the various metals perform in terms of penetration when moulded into a projectile, deformation on contact with a surface, performance under heat and pressure, and that's just what I can think of right now.
There's probably a reason jackets are usually made of copper, with the cores lead, but I have heard of, I think, nickel-jacket bullets.
Well, I mean, would those metals work as bullets? I'm not talking jacketing or cores I mean full solid bullets.
I don't have the ability to do fancy shit like jacketing or coring. But I don't want to run pure lead bullets down my rifle.
Full, solid bullets made of just one metal are kinda iffy. Bullets aren't all full-copper, they almost always have a lead or steel core. You need to know how to cast them to the precise length for reloading the case, so that it fits properly in the case and then will have an overall length of the loaded munition long enough [I]and[/I] short enough to seat safely in the chamber, in the precise shape, and of the best weight for your barrel's twist and the amount of powder you're putting behind it to push it.
Ballistics is a complex portion of aerospace physics and engineering, and you have to take into account the physics and engineering behind the gun too. Sure you can make a projectile that goes out your barrel, but it may be so heavy it drops after 50 feet, or so light that it just tumbles. You may make a bullet too light to penetrate, or so heavy it over-penetrates. You may not make it long enough to seat it in the case properly, and the bullet falls out in the magazine or while feeding, spilling powder everywhere and causing a fire/explosion/other malfunction, or you may reload the case too short and cause a pressure-based malfunction in the chamber, or too long and it won't feed and jams in the chamber.
It's not as easy as "I think I'll go make ammunition from scratch today," it involves a lot of science and engineering to do it right.
Bullets, apart from lead, are not cast, they are swaged, which is to say pressed into a die cold under great pressure
[QUOTE=download;35934657]Bullets, apart from lead, are not cast, they are swaged, which is to say pressed into a die cold under great pressure[/QUOTE]
And to cast a cored bullet you'd first (in theory) need to cast the jacket, then pour the core into that jacket after it has formed and cooled in the form of toxic, molten lead. Such a process is dangerous and carcinogenic and potentially poisonous.
as long as the metal doesn't deform easily and melts high you can use anything. They're usually copper jacketed lead because lead is heavy and cheap and copper is strong and cheap.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35934650]Full, solid bullets made of just one metal are kinda iffy. Bullets aren't all full-copper, they almost always have a lead or steel core. You need to know how to cast them to the precise length for reloading the case, so that it fits properly in the case and then will have an overall length of the loaded munition long enough [I]and[/I] short enough to seat safely in the chamber, in the precise shape, and of the best weight for your barrel's twist and the amount of powder you're putting behind it to push it.
Ballistics is a complex portion of aerospace physics and engineering, and you have to take into account the physics and engineering behind the gun too. Sure you can make a projectile that goes out your barrel, but it may be so heavy it drops after 50 feet, or so light that it just tumbles. You may make a bullet too light to penetrate, or so heavy it over-penetrates. You may not make it long enough to seat it in the case properly, and the bullet falls out in the magazine or while feeding, spilling powder everywhere and causing a fire/explosion/other malfunction, or you may reload the case too short and cause a pressure-based malfunction in the chamber, or too long and it won't feed and jams in the chamber.
It's not as easy as "I think I'll go make ammunition from scratch today," it involves a lot of science and engineering to do it right.[/QUOTE]
Bah.
I wanted to try it as an experiment. What I was planning on doing was dismantling a cartridge to get at the bullet itself and make moulds of it in the greensand, which would take care of the size thing.
I can't argue with the rest of it though.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35934979]as long as the metal doesn't deform easily and melts high you can use anything. They're usually copper jacketed lead because lead is heavy and cheap and copper is strong and cheap.[/QUOTE]
Copper is soft but strong, and expensive. Very expensive at that
[QUOTE=download;35935203]Copper is soft but strong, and expensive. Very expensive at that[/QUOTE]
cheaper than most heavy metals
It's still more expensive than, say, lead, iron, zinc, cadmium, chrome or manganese. Yeah, maybe statistically on cheaper half, but still not that cheap, compared to many others. It is pretty expensive metal, even if compared to others. It's not like someone is going to make bullets out of bismuth or cobalt (or cadmium and manganese, for that sake.
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Found this on a Flash Game developers Facebook.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35930081]Those prices seem about average.
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8lb gun where ammo goes $50 for 20rds, or 3lb gun where ammo goes $9 for 50rds.
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1. CWL means CONCEALED
2. If you whip it out just to scare someone with it, and you aren't in immediate danger for your life, you're going to have a bad time with the cops and the DA.[/QUOTE]
If only you lived around here....
[QUOTE=LaughBann;35936270]It's still more expensive than, say, lead, iron, zinc, cadmium, chrome or manganese. Yeah, maybe statistically on cheaper half, but still not that cheap, compared to many others. It is pretty expensive metal, even if compared to others. It's not like someone is going to make bullets out of bismuth or cobalt (or cadmium and manganese, for that sake.[/QUOTE]
There is bismuth bird shot for hunting in areas where lead shot is prohibited. It's closer in density to lead than steel shot, so it performs better. It's expensive, though.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35940472]why not just cast bullets of lead
it's not like you can't make them hard
tin, antimon and arsenic isn't really expensive[/QUOTE]
Because I don't want to foul up my barrel with lead deposits and I can't jacket them.
You CAN make bullets out of copper though right? I've heard that copper hollowpoints expand beautifully.
[url=http://texasweaponsystems.com/id1.html]Damn, this looks nice.[/url]
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Not a big fan of rails on AKs, but this hinged thing is quite elegant.
I guess they made the dust cover so that it isn't too loose for accurate zeroing.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35941515]Yeah, that's the point. Regular ones like the one on Faze's PAP are really bad.[/QUOTE]
ALL AKs are like that unless built otherwise.
Unless the gun is built with that in mind and it has a proper method of holding the dust cover securely in place, such as having a lip or contact area to hold it snug.
Technical Question:
Where do the shells eject with the F2000?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;35944481]Technical Question:
Where do the shells eject with the F2000?[/QUOTE]
They exit the chamber into a tube that runs along the right side of the barrel. When the tube fills up or the gun is tipped forward, they pour out a flap at the front of the stock.
Isn't it prone to jam?
[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;35944685]Isn't it prone to jam?[/QUOTE]
surprisingly not really.
Hey, I need help finding OD green furniture (specifically a butt stock and A2 pistol grip) for an AR15. I don't want Magpul, I want standard issue. Anyone know where I can find some?
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