• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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I think the trigger locks are more so a child or someone can't get into them.
You're missing the point of that particular mosin, Inp. It's a Draggon Era 91/30. Before the manufacturers switched to the shorthand stampings and still wrote everything out on the receiver. It's also incredibly old. 1920's. I'd GLADLY pay $150 for that Mosin. Plus I don't really think you know what you're talking about... Mosin-Nagant rifles are renowned for accuracy. Mine is beautiful and I get very consistent, tight groupings. [editline]21st May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36045568]So theft, accidents and suicide by firearms can only happen if you have children? What would you know. [/QUOTE] We went over this for a fucking hour on steam chat would you shut the fuck up about safes please? Jesus christ you're worse than the Norwegian government.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36045291]Just don't want anyone playing around with my rifle while I'm gone. Also... Does anyone know where I could buy original forward and backward sights for the Gew 98?[/QUOTE] Numrich gun parts. Google it.
Danke, mug.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36046213]I don't think [B]YOU[/B] know what you're talking about. Stop getting your panties in a knot and stop going FUCK U UR SO DUM 4 BEIN SAFE. If you cannot accept that leaving guns around is dumb then you're denser than I initially thought.[/QUOTE] Mosin Nagants can be extremely accurate. It's just most of them require a lot of tweaking to get them to shoot where you aim, and that's assuming you have a good bore (which mine does).
Prussel why are you such a jerkface? Is it because you live in Norway and are forced to eat rotten fish or were you just born with a stick up your arse?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36046213]I don't think [B]YOU[/B] know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] Well it seemed to be accurate enough for these guys [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassili_Zaitsev[/url] - 242 kills [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko[/url] - 309 kills [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Okhlopkov[/url] - 429 kills [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Sidorenko[/url] - 500 kills [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihail_Ilyich_Surkov[/url] - 702 "confirmed" kills [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4[/url] - 505 kills - highest confirmed kills in history. [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36045568] Have fun with a key for every gun.[/QUOTE] If you only have 1 or 2 guns they work just fine. If you have more than that it would be stupid not to own a gun locker. [QUOTE=download;36045589]What an effective method, not like it can be stolen and then removed at a safer location, can it?[/QUOTE] If your intent is to keep people from fucking with it its just fine. If you absolutely need to lock it up and you can't afford a locker just put a bike lock though the receiver/trigger guard. That's what we do in the corps when there isn't an armory near by while in garrison.
Jesus christ Prussel what is your problem? Is it impossible for you to, for one day, not be an argumentative fight starting shithead?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36046536]And yet the rifle is not inherently accurate. Anyone can shoot a bunch of people with a Rem 700, but in the end of the day it's still horrible. If you compare the accuracy you can get out of a stock rifle then a Mauser, Krag or even Enfield will beat the MN any day. (And since someone's gonna bring Simo Häyhä in; his rifle was a Finnish M28. They're MUCH better than Sovjet ones when it comes to quality, craftmanship, handling and accuracy.)[/QUOTE] Okay, so are we arguing what is will be an accurate enough rifle or are we arguing what can hit a cigarette butt from the top of a post at 700 yards? Last time I checked 2 MOA is damn good for a stock rifle. You can even get 1 MOA out of it if you do simple modifications to it.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36046674]I'm saying that the MN is a rifle platform which is not inherently accurate, not that it's horrible. Most MNs shoot ~1 MIL. A Mauser, especially a K98k, or Krag can do better than that.[/QUOTE] This is all dependent on bore and barrel. Now days you're still able to get Mosins with "new" bores where as with mausers and enfields chances are they've changed hands a couple times. My mosin is able to get 2 MOA at 100 yards open sight. Granted if you can get one from before WWII its going to be of higher quality, the same could be said about mausers. Lee enfields can't really be grouped in with that, however when a majority shoot within a 3 -4 MOA at 100 yards that's saying something about it.
[QUOTE=download;36045589]What an effective method, not like it can be stolen and then removed at a safer location, can it?[/QUOTE] That's not the idea for these. It's so kids don't stick their little fingers in the trigger well when you're not around.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36046895]The design impact the function of the rifle, not only the barrel condition.[/QUOTE] Well seeing as the main difference between the 3 is the bolt style I can't really see how that could lead to great differences in accuracy among them. Mosins are known to be rough, Mausers are known to be smooth, and Enfields are known to be fast. At the end of the day all 3 put a round into a chamber, lock it in, and hit the primer with a firing pin. The things that define accuracy are the bore, rifle twist vs bullet weight, and harmonics. The bore is arguable among all due to age and condition, though like I said now days Mosins are the easiest to find with hardly/never used bores. Rifle twist vs bullet weight should be constant across the board since all were designed to use a general purpose round that was tailored to that rifle. Harmonics wise all suck, since none have a free floating barrel. Hell the M44 is MORE accurate with the bayonet on since it was designed to be sighted in with it attached. Of course there is also trigger weight, but this can be adjusted on all the rifles and is really up to personal preference.
Lord Jesus, some one once told me all gun owners were hotheaded pricks.... I though, and can verify, It's just the ones who yell loudest. On the topic of Gun Safes. First it is a great idea to own one if for nothing else than knowing where all your guns are so you don't 'misplace' one. Should your house be robbed and a gun be stolen prepare for hell if you didn't have it in a safe from both police and the insurance (on a side note it is excellent to write down the serial numbers of every gun you own, again, just in case). That said a safe isn't necessary (unless required by law). As for mosin's, they ain't the most accurate rifle in the grand scheme of things (and certainly aren't as spot on as a good Mauser) but then again it's a battle rifle from WW2... 2MOA is impressive for something made by farmers.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36046568]Jesus christ Prussel what is your problem? Is it impossible for you to, for one day, not be an argumentative fight starting shithead?[/QUOTE] What is your problem? seriously dude drop it, i don't care what both of you are fighting about but seriously cut the shit. I came into this thread to look at all the cool guns and get information and i see you two fighting, stop please. I need help identifying two rifles soon, i'll be taking pictures
[QUOTE=Sir Spicy Buns;36047089]I need help identifying two rifles soon, i'll be taking pictures[/QUOTE] PICS NOW!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Sir Spicy Buns;36047089]What is your problem? seriously dude drop it, i don't care what both of you are fighting about but seriously cut the shit. I came into this thread to look at all the cool guns and get information and i see you two fighting, stop please. I need help identifying two rifles soon, i'll be taking pictures[/QUOTE] Get off your high horse. I make one comment about the accuracy of Mosins being well known and Prussel starts shitting all over the thread. If you want to bitch at anyone for arguing bitch at him.
Maybe where you live where Krags are common but here in the states the Mosin-Nagant rifle is renowned for accuracy. What's the saying we have...? "You could hit a barn two countries over"?
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36047579]Maybe where you live where Krags are common but here in the states the Mosin-Nagant rifle is renowned for accuracy. What's the saying we have...? "You could hit a barn two countries over"?[/QUOTE] Now... without pissing you off, I must say I have heard Mosin's renowned for several things... like power, durability, and price to quality ratio.... but never, ever for being accurate per the WW2 standard they must adhere to. Not saying they aren't accurate, just not enough to be noteworthy when for a 100 bucks or so more we can get Savages with accu-triggers or Yugo Mausers, and those are accurate.
Mosins were never renowned for accuracy, they were renowned for quantity, durability, reliability, and being cheap as fuck. The Mosin was never heralded as an accurate rifle, the Krag, Enfield, and Mausers were all more accurate, and all but the Krag are just about as common as the Mosin, though none quite as cheap.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36047612]Barns are usually pretty big.[/QUOTE] Yes but from two countries over? Not so much.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;36048029]Mosins were never renowned for accuracy, they were renowned for quantity, durability, reliability, and being cheap as fuck. The Mosin was never heralded as an accurate rifle, the Krag, Enfield, and Mausers were all more accurate, and all but the Krag are just about as common as the Mosin, though none quite as cheap.[/QUOTE] That may have held true in the past but what about today? It terms of use, it's not difficult to find mosins that have never been fired once. Thus while mausers may have been more accurate when first produced, it's relatively difficult to find one with such a pristine bore as a mosin straight out of the crate smothered in cosmoline.
mosins were known for their accuracy during WWII and early cold war but they've lost that distinction now that almost every one of them is 70+ years old
I don't worry about locking my guns because I swap my firing pins between all of them before I leave. Not even a micrometer can tell the difference. Also, I didn't shoot the President.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36048198]Yes but from two countries over? Not so much.[/QUOTE] Depends on where in Europe you are, two countries over could be about 2 city blocks.
I ain't shooting through Luxembourg.
[QUOTE=Inplabth;36045447]Mosins are great rifles but they're a crap shoot as far as accuracy and quality goes. Sometimes even the most pristine Mosin-Nagant will shoot like shit but one that looks like ass with a barrel barely pushing "good" will shoot really well. Check your local gun shops too. I got mine at Mills Fleet Farm for $100. [editline]21st May 2012[/editline] damn it my automerge[/QUOTE] what are you talking about. The quality of my 1938 mosin is perfect, excellent bore, and it fires fairly accurately. For a rifle that is 70 years old, it is fucking perfect. Where are you getting your shit from?
Its not the rifle, its the shooter.
I'm not taking sides here but my friend (the same lad who convinced me to buy a .308 bolt action instead of a mosin) told me the following flaws/outdated features of mosin: -No free floating barrel -Long & heavy stock (scratched easily innawoods) -Bad rear sights (there are better ones as well i.e. M39 ladder sights) -No place for modern sight systems etc. -Most of the ammunition available is corrosive surplus -If using a scope you can't use stripper clips Of course, mosin has also lots of pros, but you guise already know them :v: Ohshitpageking.exe [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Volkssturmgewehr.jpg[/img] Have this Volkssturmgewehr as page king content
[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;36051684]I'm not taking sides here but my friend (the same lad who convinced me to buy a .308 bolt action instead of a mosin) told me the following flaws/outdated features of mosin: -No free floating barrel -Long & heavy stock (scratched easily innawoods) -Bad rear sights (there are better ones as well i.e. M39 ladder sights) -No place for modern sight systems etc. -Most of the ammunition available is corrosive surplus -If using a scope you can't use stripper clips Of course, mosin has also lots of pros, but you guise already know them :v: Ohshitpageking.exe [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Volkssturmgewehr.jpg[/IMG] Have this Volkssturmgewehr as page king content[/QUOTE] but a bolt-action .308 will set you back a lot more [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36041574]It's not really about telling them apart. I just don't get why you'd say LOOK AT THIS MK23 when talking about something else.[/QUOTE] troll successful I cross-posted the Mk. 23 from BF2s because I just wanted to show how far other people have gone with the entire "sticking things in the trigger guard" thing. here, have a photo of a target pistol [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zaXsR.jpg[/IMG] [img]http://i.imgur.com/jnrnt.jpg[/img] fucking anatomical grips bro and a 1911 being rebuilt [IMG]http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/DeltaBF2s/Picture010-1.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;36051684] -No place for modern sight systems etc. [/QUOTE] why would you want to put a modern sight on a rifle built in the 1930's?
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