• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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[QUOTE=cardfan212;36068480]I want to get a Beretta PX4 in 9mm. Are there any alternatives that are cheaper or equal in price? Glock 17s are $100 more everywhere I look, and the Springfield XDm is even more.[/QUOTE] FNP9? I don't really check the pricing, but it looks like a solid pistol for the cost.
CZ 75 P-07 Duty 9mm $429.99 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/cz-p07-duty-cal-9mm-luger-polymer-frame-black-polycoat-only-comes-with-16rd-magazine-91186.aspx[/url]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;36068723]CZ 75 P-07 Duty 9mm $429.99 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/cz-p07-duty-cal-9mm-luger-polymer-frame-black-polycoat-only-comes-with-16rd-magazine-91186.aspx[/url][/QUOTE] CZ75 is solid too, forgot about that I'm pretty sure the Browning Hi-Power Mk. III is more expensive though
[QUOTE=SwizzChees;36067140]Yep. I also have a pistole (the 220 if i recall correctly). After my service is done i can keep them both.[/QUOTE] is that a flashlight or a laser on it?
Alright, I'll keep my eyes open for a CZ P-07 or an FNP.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36066680]If you seriously believe that racking the pump scares off home intruders then you're buying into Hollywood and urban legends.[/QUOTE] ever hear someone rack a model 12? That'll do it. I'm not sticking around for that
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36066680]If you seriously believe that racking the pump scares off home intruders then you're buying into Hollywood and urban legends.[/QUOTE] I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, or what kind of badass you THINK you are, but if I broke into someone's house and I heard a shotgun being pumped, fuck that shit I'd get out of there.
From experience most people really don't like when you cock any weapon that's loud enough to hear, even when not in plain sight, it's pretty terrifying and when used for intimidation it's an easy way to avoid violence.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;36068835]is that a flashlight or a laser on it?[/QUOTE] It's a "weisslicht" (whitelight). A flashlight just a little stronger. The handguard is the common just with a rail screwed to it. We've done some house fights with it so there was no use for any lasers
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36068991]ever hear someone rack a model 12? That'll do it. I'm not sticking around for that[/QUOTE] Which is all well and good, and I'd run the fuck out of there too. But what if he has a gun too? Now he knows where you are, and you've lost the element of surprise. Talk to anyone who has formal firearm training and I'm betting that they'll tell you that's a bad idea. If you actually have to cock the gun to try to scare them off, you might as well shoot them. I don't agree with prussel on most things, but he has a point.
I'm pretty sure that the point of robbing a house as a criminal is to sneak in and steal something valuable which can be sold later, not to start a firefight, trying to shoot everyone in the god damn building to get to the stereo. Of course, some people are stupid as shit, and press on regardless. Thoose are the sorry bastards who get killed/jailed for life.
[QUOTE=EagleEye;36070075]Which is all well and good, and I'd run the fuck out of there too. But what if he has a gun too? Now he knows where you are, and you've lost the element of surprise. Talk to anyone who has formal firearm training and I'm betting that they'll tell you that's a bad idea. If you actually have to cock the gun to try to scare them off, you might as well shoot them. I don't agree with prussel on most things, but he has a point.[/QUOTE] if he has a weapon too then you've got a round in the chamber, what's the problem? Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't be ready to kill. You should always be ready to kill if it comes to it, but if you can avoid violence you should. Bringing a firearm into a conflict, 9 times out of 10, will deescalate the situation.
[QUOTE=SwizzChees;36069998]It's a "weisslicht" (whitelight). A flashlight just a little stronger. The handguard is the common just with a rail screwed to it. We've done some house fights with it so there was no use for any lasers[/QUOTE] I've been reading up on gun laws in other countries. Switzerland arms the entire nation after the age of 18 right? Supplies a rifle, pistol, and ammunition for both as well as formal militia training. It's a pretty neat concept. Makes sense for such a small country. With a population of nearly 8 Million, Switzerland COULD theoretically field a militia to rival the size of China's formal army, given their national training. Do you know if Luxembourg has a similar method? You'd think they would. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=EagleEye;36070075]Which is all well and good, and I'd run the fuck out of there too. But what if he has a gun too? Now he knows where you are, and you've lost the element of surprise. Talk to anyone who has formal firearm training and I'm betting that they'll tell you that's a bad idea. If you actually have to cock the gun to try to scare them off, you might as well shoot them. I don't agree with prussel on most things, but he has a point.[/QUOTE] I dunno. I wouldn't do it to scare them off but at the same time you NEED to cock it to fire if you've got a pump shotgun. Which is why I don't have a pump shotgun. I have my side-by-side. It's got a safety AND you have to pull the hammers back to fire it, so I keep shells in it and it leans next to my desk in a small alcove where it's hard to see or get to. So in the event of a break in, I can grab it and have it ready to shoot while being quiet.
[QUOTE=SwizzChees;36068438]Pretty easy i think. Only without being born here you can't go to the military. Funny thing is i started shooting with 14. If you go to a "gun-club" you get sponsored by the army with a rifle. Even the rounds are payed. Love it[/QUOTE] Wait, if I'm not a naturalized citizen I can't join the military? sad face :C
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;36065237]get a shotgun with home defense loads or a pistol with glaser safety slugs. you do NOT want overpenetration, that's the primary concern in home defense.[/QUOTE] The safety rounds are fucking awesome. They'll destroy anything with soft-tissue but completely stop and kinda disintegrate when hitting dry-wall or something. I got some shotgun rounds that fires one big slug, but 3 (or 4) 00 follow behind it. Massive fucking damage. Luckily never had to use them, I got them ready to rock and roll in my 12g due to the threats against my life back in my old job. You honestly never know some people man, some are dumb enough to do something stupid and go back to jail/prison despite just earning their freedom back. Some are just so mentally unstable you can't predict what they'll do. But no matter what I'm ready, I'm not going down without a fight. I may die, but fuck I'm taking some asshole with me.
Ditto that MR-X. I got my 12 gauge next to my desk at all times and my M1895 in the cupboard to my left in the desk (along with my ammunition) in the holster. My Mosin is too long for home defence, so that stays in my rifle case. I could probably use my 15-22 as defence but I don't feel comfortable keeping a loaded magazine in it, so it's hanging up on the wall in a rifle bag and the magazines are in my desk drawer ready to go.
I got my mosin laying on the side of my L shaped desk with 2 stripper clips ready to go. Doorway to my office stairs down a nice long hallway, anyone who tries to invade gets a nice surprise.
Unfortunately do to fuck fuck laws in Illinois, my only true "Home Defense" weapon is this ducktape mace that weighs 3 1/2 pounds. I guess it could cause a bruise.
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[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36054718]Studies conducted by the university of Urbutt. [/QUOTE] Like you're one to be talking about pulling stuff out of your ass I seem to recall you pulling shit out of nowhere and then backpedaling HARD in our .22 argument
my home defense weapon is probably less than ideal. I could break out the model 12 or the mossberg 500 but the glock 22 is the only one of my guns that generally stays at my side
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36074176]I seem to recall you being a complete and utter fool thinking that .22S won't kill people with enough well-placed shots?[/QUOTE] haha Yep I totally said that .22 wont kill someone, whatever you say pal
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;36074035]I got my mosin laying on the side of my L shaped desk with 2 stripper clips ready to go. Doorway to my office stairs down a nice long hallway, anyone who tries to invade gets a nice surprise.[/QUOTE] Might want to consider getting something in a lighter caliber if you're going for home defense. 54R will chew right through a lot of wall materials, unless they're block or cement. Even then it might make it through, depending on conditions. Unless you live in the country with nobody really around. Then, by all means. I usually rotate out my handguns as far as home defense goes. Either my 1911, Sig .40, or Hi-Power usually occupy my night stand. There's also a shotgun prepped and ready in the corner next to the door. Not to mention my wide assortment of rifles... but I don't really view them as home defense weapons, unless shit has really hit the fan.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36074201] You were going on about how .22S is really shitty and won't kill anyone. .22S, .22L and .22LR aren't good SD/HD choices, but the low recoil makes it a viable choice for people not used to guns and those with disabilities/illnesses that can make carrying around a fuddy five or .357 hard.[/QUOTE] No, I was saying that its a shit choice for home defense, not that it wouldn't kill anyone. You can kill someone with an air rifle too, doesn't exactly make it a good home defense option An infinitely better choice for a disabled person would be a pistol caliber carbine or a 20 gauge shotgun
I think I could load a Mosin faster manually than with those clips, but I'm probably just doing it wrong.
I'd never use anything with more penetration than .45 ACP for home defense
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36074272]7,62x54R will fuck up your sense of hearing, the intruder, your dog, your TV, your neighbour and his car.[/QUOTE] and it will light the wallpaper on fire and the rug and probably the intruder
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36074201]y carbine And what lower is that?[/QUOTE] Wilson Combat lower
[QUOTE=massn7;36074242]Might want to consider getting something in a lighter caliber if you're going for home defense. 54R will chew right through a lot of wall materials, unless they're block or cement. Even then it might make it through, depending on conditions. Unless you live in the country with nobody really around. Then, by all means. I usually rotate out my handguns as far as home defense goes. Either my 1911, Sig .40, or Hi-Power usually occupy my night stand. There's also a shotgun prepped and ready in the corner next to the door. Not to mention my wide assortment of rifles... but I don't really view them as home defense weapons, unless shit has really hit the fan.[/QUOTE] Only reason I have it set for home defense is because it's the only firearm I own at the moment. I plan on getting a few more in the near future.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36074272]7,62x54R will fuck up your sense of hearing, the intruder, your dog, your TV, your neighbour and his car.[/QUOTE] My Mosin scared the FUCK out of people next to me at the gun range. And they were wearing REALLY GOOD earmuffs that electronically block out noise and shit. I can't imagine how loud that goddamn thing would be not only without the earmuffs on but in a house, rather than a range built to absorb sound and prevent echoes. [editline]24th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;36074280]I think I could load a Mosin faster manually than with those clips, but I'm probably just doing it wrong.[/QUOTE] I've heard if it isn't surplus from WWII it's going to be a shit stripper. Which means anything American made. I have no problem slotting loads into my Mosin's magazine. I don't need a stripper clip.
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