• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36162205]You did not say anywhere in your post it was 7.62x51mm NATO. Also not necessary that you be a dick.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Honesty;36161566]Middle one is obviously a 7,62x51 [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] Second from right is probably a 7,62x51 too. Some oddball blank variant I've never seen before[/QUOTE] Excuse me?
Sorry, I missed that post replying to Ridge, didn't see you had ninja'd my reply. Still you're being rather uppity. You should maybe calm down?
I'm perfectly calm.. you're the one that needs to stop taking everything so seriously.
Uh... I calmly stated I'd like to know the calibre and you start on about how I should read the post and were being a dick. I'm not taking anything 'so seriously' I just think you need to be less of a dick. ON THE TOPIC OF FIREARMS So upon closer inspection of the slugs I bought for my shotgun, it appears that they are 'Hyper Sonic' and are supposed to have a muzzle velocity of 1600 FPS. These are 12 gauge, 1oz (440 grain) slugs. I'm starting to wonder what in the fuck I got myself into.
What on earth are you going on about? I'm not being a dick, you get upset over absolutely nothing. [QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163072]Seriously there's nothing wrong with the Yugo. The chrome lined barrel has nothing to do with range, it just has to do with protecting the barrel from corrosion. If you clean your rifle after you shoot it and don't shoot corrosive ammunition (or if you do, clean it thoroughly) you won't notice a difference between the Yugo and any other SKS. They're built far better than the Type 56 or the Norinco knockoffs (not that either of these are really all that bad either, but come on, everyone I've talked to knows they're shit-tier), they come with a rubber buttpad, they have really cool nightsights (they may not work after all these years, but hey, still cool), and they're just as well built as any other SKS, even moreso in some cases because again, they're built to launch grenades with ammunition that's been known to break people's thumbs. I'd rather have a Yugo over a Chinese, personally. SKS's in general are just awesome though. Don't bubba it.[/QUOTE] He meant what RANGE it is to be considered in, not the rifle's EFFECTIVE RANGE. Way to misinterpret.
[QUOTE=deathmog;36162269]Thanks guys for the info about the SKS! You guys are a big help, I was just basing that stuff out of what research i've done, I had a feeling that I should ask here too in the event that it wasn't enough, which it wasn't so thanks! :buddy: Just wondering, what gives the Norinco better range? Other than the chrome bore, what does it have that the Yugo doesn't? Just wondering. I didn't know that there were Romanian SKS', time to do some looking if there's any around. I do try to clean my firearms the best I can, so the corrosive ammunition part won't be too much trouble I don't think, I clean my Mosin the best I can before storing it, and all I really put through it is the surplus ammunition, and i'll make sure I inspect any SKS I look at the way I was told on here. Is there anything else I should know while looking for a SKS? Thanks again for the big help, guys :buddy:[/QUOTE] Seriously there's nothing wrong with the Yugo if you get one with a good bore, which, believe it or not, isn't too hard to find. Chrome lined barrels aren't entirely necessary for a range gun, it's only a clear advantage on a service weapon, especially one that primarily uses corrosive ammunition. If you clean your rifle after you shoot it and don't shoot corrosive ammunition (or if you do, clean it thoroughly) you won't notice a difference between the Yugo and any other SKS. They're built far better than the Type 56 or the Norinco knockoffs (not that either of these are really all that bad either, but come on, everyone I've talked to knows they're shit-tier), they come with a rubber buttpad, they have really cool flip-up nightsights (they may not work after all these years, but hey, still cool), and they're just as well built as any other SKS, even moreso in some cases because again, they're built to launch grenades with ammunition that's been known to break people's thumbs. I'd rather have a Yugo over a Chinese, personally. SKS's in general are just awesome though. Don't bubba it.
Deathmog said he won't tapco or anything on it.
[QUOTE=Honesty;36163069]What on earth are you going on about? I'm not being a dick, you get upset over absolutely nothing. He meant what RANGE it is to be considered in, not the rifle's EFFECTIVE RANGE. Way to misinterpret.[/QUOTE] Thanks captain douche. My bad.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163072]Seriously there's nothing wrong with the Yugo if you get one with a good bore, which, believe it or not, isn't too hard to find. The chrome lined barrel has nothing to do with range, it just has to do with protecting the barrel from corrosion. If you clean your rifle after you shoot it and don't shoot corrosive ammunition (or if you do, clean it thoroughly) you won't notice a difference between the Yugo and any other SKS. They're built far better than the Type 56 or the Norinco knockoffs (not that either of these are really all that bad either, but come on, everyone I've talked to knows they're shit-tier), they come with a rubber buttpad, they have really cool flip-up nightsights (they may not work after all these years, but hey, still cool), and they're just as well built as any other SKS, even moreso in some cases because again, they're built to launch grenades with ammunition that's been known to break people's thumbs. I'd rather have a Yugo over a Chinese, personally. SKS's in general are just awesome though. Don't bubba it.[/QUOTE] This. I have a Yugo, and the only problem I've ever had with it wasn't the gun's fault. Using some cheapo depot ammo that the gun shop gave me when I got it, it misfed and basically shoved the bullet into the casing. Switched over to Wolf and have had zero problems. Honestly sometimes I think you guys just kind of bandwagon when it comes to some of the gun stereotypes that exist. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Yugo SKSs (unless you really want that chrome). Same with the Bushmaster ARs. I know a lot of you dislike them, apparently they're 'cheap;' I have one and it outshoots my dad's M&P and my buddy's Rock River. And again, I've had absolutely zero problems with it. Or maybe I'm just lucky and got the one rifle that wasn't a lemon, who knows.
[QUOTE=massn7;36163313]This. I have a Yugo, and the only problem I've ever had with it wasn't the gun's fault. Using some cheapo depot ammo that the gun shop gave me when I got it, it misfed and basically shoved the bullet into the casing. Switched over to Wolf and have had zero problems. Honestly sometimes I think you guys just kind of bandwagon when it comes to some of the gun stereotypes that exist. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Yugo SKSs (unless you really want that chrome). Same with the Bushmaster ARs. I know a lot of you dislike them, apparently they're 'cheap;' I have one and it outshoots my dad's M&P and my buddy's Rock River. And again, I've had absolutely zero problems with it. Or maybe I'm just lucky and got the one rifle that wasn't a lemon, who knows.[/QUOTE] Yeah I had one that someone built from parts and was beat to ever loving fuck and back and wouldn't feed properly. Wasn't hard to get it to work fine again and after a quick refinish it was as good as new. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Militaria/yugoslavian_m59_66a1_sks_by_cupofdoom-d32h7ro.jpg[/img] Mmm... I miss 'er. And say what you will about the grenade launcher being useless but I could launch golf balls like a boss and you can't with your silly GL-less SKS's. Plus they're dead sexy.
I love bushmaster stuff and yugos are fine, people here are just dumb go elsewhere if you want advice, this place is just good for gun porn
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163072]Seriously there's nothing wrong with the Yugo if you get one with a good bore, which, believe it or not, isn't too hard to find. Chrome lined barrels aren't entirely necessary for a range gun, it's only a clear advantage on a service weapon, especially one that primarily uses corrosive ammunition. If you clean your rifle after you shoot it and don't shoot corrosive ammunition (or if you do, clean it thoroughly) you won't notice a difference between the Yugo and any other SKS. They're built far better than the Type 56 or the Norinco knockoffs (not that either of these are really all that bad either, but come on, everyone I've talked to knows they're shit-tier), they come with a rubber buttpad, they have really cool flip-up nightsights (they may not work after all these years, but hey, still cool), and they're just as well built as any other SKS, even moreso in some cases because again, they're built to launch grenades with ammunition that's been known to break people's thumbs. I'd rather have a Yugo over a Chinese, personally. SKS's in general are just awesome though. Don't bubba it.[/QUOTE] How the hell do you figure Norinco's are "shit tier"? I'd rather have a Norinco than a Yugo. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163354]Yeah I had one that someone built from parts and was beat to ever loving fuck and back and wouldn't feed properly. Wasn't hard to get it to work fine again and after a quick refinish it was as good as new. [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1939265/Militaria/yugoslavian_m59_66a1_sks_by_cupofdoom-d32h7ro.jpg[/IMG] Mmm... I miss 'er. And say what you will about the grenade launcher being useless but I could launch golf balls like a boss and you can't with your silly GL-less SKS's. Plus they're dead sexy.[/QUOTE] Why would a civilian who plans to use the SKS for range shooting need to launch grenades OR golf balls? That's even assuming you could GET the ammunition required to launch them which, if you could, I bet would be expensive as fuck.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163374]How the hell do you figure Norinco's are "shit tier"? I'd rather have a Norinco than a Yugo.[/QUOTE] I guess that's kind of unfair, they aren't bad guns at all, I just feel like they aren't built as well as other SKS's. Plus most don't come with bayonets and that's just silly.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163374]How the hell do you figure Norinco's are "shit tier"? I'd rather have a Norinco than a Yugo. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] Why would a civilian who plans to use the SKS for range shooting need to launch grenades OR golf balls? That's even assuming you could GET the ammunition required to launch them which, if you could, I bet would be expensive as fuck.[/QUOTE] Why not? haha And why would you rather have Norinco over Yugo? They're the same gun for all intents and purposes, minus the chrome lining.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163374]Why would a civilian who plans to use the SKS for range shooting need to launch grenades OR golf balls? That's even assuming you could GET the ammunition required to launch them which, if you could, I bet would be expensive as fuck.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what they "need" to do with it, I like the looks of it and I like launching golf balls and trainer grenades. It's neither a selling point nor a useful feature, it's just cool. Just like the bayonet. Also you can get ammunition required to launch them just fine. Commercial blanks work fine for launching shit out of a grenade tube or firing the training grenades and it's not hard to load hot blanks.
I'll take a Russian over any of them, and up here I can get one and a crate of ammo for the price of one down south. Or I can get a crate and a Chinese military (there's a difference between the military and civilian models, the military ones are built better) one for a combined $375 plus shipping.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163405]I guess that's kind of unfair, they aren't bad guns at all, I just feel like they aren't built as well as other SKS's. Plus most don't come with bayonets and that's just silly.[/QUOTE] Kind of hard to get stabbing room when there are several million other soldiers around you [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=massn7;36163406]Why not? haha And why would you rather have Norinco over Yugo? They're the same gun for all intents and purposes, minus the chrome lining.[/QUOTE] I'd rather have the Chroming. Plus I can get Norincos for less money than Yugos. Seems like a clear winner to me. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;36163444]I'll take a Russian over any of them, and up here I can get one and a crate of ammo for the price of one down south. Or I can get a crate and a Chinese military (there's a difference between the military and civilian models, the military ones are built better) one for a combined $375 plus shipping.[/QUOTE] Goddamnit give me one Can't you sell it to me and ship it over the border? A crate of ammo AND an SKS for $375? I can't even get an SKS down here for that much.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163446]Kind of hard to get stabbing room when there are several million other soldiers around you [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] I'd rather have the Chroming. Plus I can get Norincos for less money than Yugos. Seems like a clear winner to me.[/QUOTE] The reason Norincos don't have bayonets is because they're built for the civilian market. The Chinese Type 56's aren't built by Norinco and feature a bayonet. Also cheaper =/= superior manufacturing.
I don't go range shooting a lot, i'm mainly looking at the SKS as a gun to kind of plink around with now and then, the tennis-ball thing sounds cool though. I think it'l depends on whatever I find in the store, i'll either go for Romanian or Yugo, depending on what's there and i'll play the Norinco by ear like the other two because there's mixed opinions on them. As far as I know, isn't grenade ammunition just blanks or something?
[QUOTE=deathmog;36163476]I don't go range shooting a lot, i'm mainly looking at the SKS as a gun to kind of plink around with now and then, the tennis-ball thing sounds cool though. I think it'l depends on whatever I find in the store, i'll either go for Romanian or Yugo, depending on what's there and i'll play the Norinco by ear like the other two because there's mixed opinions on them. As far as I know, isn't grenade ammunition just blanks or something?[/QUOTE] Yeah it's just blank ammunition that's loaded extremely hot. Normal blanks will work fine, they just won't launch whatever it is you're firing as far, which is a good thing sometimes.
[QUOTE=deathmog;36163476]I don't go range shooting a lot, i'm mainly looking at the SKS as a gun to kind of plink around with now and then, the tennis-ball thing sounds cool though. I think it'l depends on whatever I find in the store, i'll either go for Romanian or Yugo, depending on what's there and i'll play the Norinco by ear like the other two because there's mixed opinions on them. As far as I know, isn't grenade ammunition just blanks or something?[/QUOTE] hot blanks
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163463]The reason Norincos don't have bayonets is because they're built for the civilian market. The Chinese Type 56's aren't built by Norinco and feature a bayonet. Also cheaper =/= superior manufacturing.[/QUOTE] My 91/30 cost me $80 and I could probably beat a brown bear to death with it. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's shit quality. A lot of times it means there's a lot of the damn things. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;36163494]Yeah it's just blank ammunition that's loaded extremely hot. Normal blanks will work fine, they just won't launch whatever it is you're firing as far, which is a good thing sometimes.[/QUOTE] Where the hell do you even get 7.62x39 blanks
I like my Moist Nugget 1943 mmmmmmm
Also since we're talking about SKS rifles I was wondering. Is the SKS related at all to the AVS-36? They look extremely similar. I was also wondering if it was possible or if anyone knew of a rifle similar to the AVS-36 that fired 7.62x54 semi auto?
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163517]My 91/30 cost me $80 and I could probably beat a brown bear to death with it. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's shit quality. A lot of times it means there's a lot of the damn things. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] Where the hell do you even get 7.62x39 blanks[/QUOTE] Wouldn't recommend that. And honestly... I wouldn't throw Mosins in the realm of 'quality.' I mean they're not bad rifles, but the majority of them were literally thrown together as fast as possible and then thrown onto the front. Good historical value, but I wouldn't be shoving people out of the way to get at one. As for blanks, you can get them at gun shops. At least, mine has lots of blanks for sale.
I think the AVS-36 was designed by the same guy who designed the SKS, the SKS borrowed some stuff from the AVS, as the AVS was designed before it.
My Mosin was manufactured before the war started, so I can rest assured knowing it had more love, care, and vodka put into it's manufacturing process than war-era rifles.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163537]Also since we're talking about SKS rifles I was wondering. Is the SKS related at all to the AVS-36? They look extremely similar. I was also wondering if it was possible or if anyone knew of a rifle similar to the AVS-36 that fired 7.62x54 semi auto?[/QUOTE] Simonov designed the SKS 9 years after he designed the AVS so yeah. And you're thinking of the Tokarev SVT-40. It's basically as you said an AVS in semi only firing x54R.
[QUOTE=deathmog;36163553]I think the AVS-36 was designed by the same guy who designed the SKS, the SKS borrowed some stuff from the AVS, as the AVS was designed before it.[/QUOTE] I figured as much. They look almost identical except the AVS lacks the large bolt that the SKS has. It's a very good looking early era automatic rifle. Though I feel REALLY sorry for whoever used it. I cannot IMAGINE firing 7.62x54 full auto without it being through some kind of machine gun on a mount. Ouch. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Honesty;36163573]Simonov designed the SKS 9 years after he designed the AVS so yeah. And you're thinking of the Tokarev SVT-40. It's basically as you said an AVS in semi only firing x54R.[/QUOTE] Yeah I think that's the one. I kept thinking it was an SKS because they look so similar but then I always realize "No the SKS fires x39, not x54" Are SVT's legal in the United States under that stupid arms ban?
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;36163566]My Mosin was manufactured before the war started, so I can rest assured knowing it had more love, care, and vodka put into it's manufacturing process than war-era rifles.[/QUOTE] Mine was too and I'd still throw it in the same category :l Fine rifle, especially for the price... but not a big deal. [quote=Ven Kaeo]Yeah I think that's the one. I kept thinking it was an SKS because they look so similar but then I always realize "No the SKS fires x39, not x54" Are SVT's legal in the United States under that stupid arms ban? [/quote] You can find them but they're usually ungodly expensive. Not sure if they fall under the ban or not.
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