• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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[QUOTE=Skullivan21;36413141]So that they learn to focus on things other than the recoil. No matter who you are when you first shoot a gun you are most worried about the recoil so it is what you focus on and it stops you from learning the more important things of shooting, i.e. breathing, and sighting. A mosin is a great gun to own... but it isn't the gun I would start someone off with. Same thing with a handgun, I would rather teach the techniques of pistol shooting with a .22lr than a .45 or 10mm.[/QUOTE] Yep. Recoil should be a surprise if your form and handling is correct. But, people will do whatever they want so I'm just going to shut up now.
my sister's almost 21 so I don't see why a nagant isn't suited for her the only thing a .22 is good for in my experience is cheap, no-brains target shooting. My grandfather has one of those really nice $1000 military training rifles in .22LR but the thing was so damn boring to shoot, I've had sneezes more violent. I'd argue the Nagant is good because it's bolt action, so for one it's really easy to see if a bullet is chambered, two, it's reliable, and I guess ammo is really cheap for it, and three who doesn't love using the bolt action on a bolt action rifle? such a satisfying action I'll try to find one for cheap I guess but the only problem is that I'd have to get a gun safe too (parent's rules and having a firearm out in the open in a household probably isn't smart anyway, though I'm the youngest in the house) and it's not like teaching proper breathing and trigger control goes out the window when you use a higher caliber. the recoil is probably more jarring but still
Going with a gun with considerable recoil to teach a first time shooter is going to give them a flinch and possibly turn them away from guns entirely because of the violent feeling the recoil causes. Seriously, any first time shooter, regardless of age, should start with a .22
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36413163]my sister's almost 21 so I don't see why a nagant isn't suited for her the only thing a .22 is good for in my experience is cheap, no-brains target shooting. My grandfather has one of those really nice $1000 military training rifles in .22LR but the thing was so damn boring to shoot, I've had sneezes more violent. I'd argue the Nagant is good because it's bolt action, so for one it's really easy to see if a bullet is chambered, two, it's reliable, and I guess ammo is really cheap for it, and three who doesn't love using the bolt action on a bolt action rifle? such a satisfying action I'll try to find one for cheap I guess but the only problem is that I'd have to get a gun safe too (parent's rules and having a firearm out in the open in a household probably isn't smart anyway, though I'm the youngest in the house)[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.classicfirearms.com/lng-m91-30-nagant[/url] [url]http://www.classicfirearms.com/russi...-berdan-primed[/url] Cheap rifle and cheap ammo, all in one place. If you only have plans for one rifle, you could just get a trigger lock. [url]http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/56198/Remington+Trigger+Block+Lock+wRemington+Logo[/url]
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36413163]my sister's almost 21 so I don't see why a nagant isn't suited for her [/QUOTE] I've met people, both men and women, who were well into their thirties who have never shot a gun and won't because they are afraid of what they read about with recoil. I have seen people afraid of .22lr because they think it will hurt with recoil. You wouldn't introduce a six year old to Baseball by signing them to the MLB... you'd want to start at a more friendly less competitive level, i.e. Teeball. [editline]20th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;36413184]Going with a gun with considerable recoil to teach a first time shooter is going to give them a flinch and possibly turn them away from guns entirely because of the violent feeling the recoil causes. Seriously, any first time shooter, regardless of age, should start with a .22[/QUOTE] Finally someone who isn't bat shit crazy.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;36413201][url]http://www.classicfirearms.com/lng-m91-30-nagant[/url] [url]http://www.classicfirearms.com/russi...-berdan-primed[/url] Cheap rifle and cheap ammo, all in one place. If you only have plans for one rifle, you could just get a trigger lock. [url]http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/56198/Remington+Trigger+Block+Lock+wRemington+Logo[/url][/QUOTE] any reason to not get the Tula manufacture ones? Are they all hex receivers or just generally better quality? p.s. I'm still gonna end up buying a Nagant for myself, I can always borrow one of my grandfathers' many .22s for my sister :v:
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36413163]my sister's almost 21 so I don't see why a nagant isn't suited for her the only thing a .22 is good for in my experience is cheap, no-brains target shooting. My grandfather has one of those really nice $1000 military training rifles in .22LR but the thing was so damn boring to shoot, I've had sneezes more violent. I'd argue the Nagant is good because it's bolt action, so for one it's really easy to see if a bullet is chambered, two, it's reliable, and I guess ammo is really cheap for it, and three who doesn't love using the bolt action on a bolt action rifle? such a satisfying action I'll try to find one for cheap I guess but the only problem is that I'd have to get a gun safe too (parent's rules and having a firearm out in the open in a household probably isn't smart anyway, though I'm the youngest in the house) and it's not like teaching proper breathing and trigger control goes out the window when you use a higher caliber. the recoil is probably more jarring but still[/QUOTE] Get an M1 Carbine or a Mini-14 then. Both have very light recoil but still pack a pretty good wallop. That or a lever action of some kind, those are always fun, especially when someone randomly breaks out the theme to Bonanza or Gunsmoke while shooting and no one can shoot straight for 10 minutes because they're laughing so hard.
Oh Pruss... I always hang in the thread till you post... cause it's always silly. Now where is Faze to say something in response and start a war?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36413418]but seriously, does anyone apart from children and small-framed women flinch when shooting e.g. 7,62x54R or 12ga?[/QUOTE] Well, seeing as the discussion is about first time shooting with a small framed woman, I see this is as relevant.
Pruss is here, discussion is over, and the argument begins. To the storm shelters!
[QUOTE=Ridge;36413490]Well, seeing as the discussion is about first time shooting with a small framed woman, I see this is as relevant.[/QUOTE] my sister's like 180lbs and arguably more muscly than I am :v:
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;36413478]Oh Pruss... I always hang in the thread till you post... cause it's always silly. Now where is Faze to say something in response and start a war?[/QUOTE] Faze here, reporting for duty.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36413553]my sister's like 180lbs and arguably more muscly than I am :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah... but still. When some one goes shooting for the first time goal one is safety, and goal two is fun. Assuming your sister is like a girl and not either a tom boy or a real boy she isn't going to find it fun to have her shoulder beaten around by a nagant, especially if she doesn't know how to hold it properly... also remember the nagant is a tree limb that happens to fire bullets so the weight and length alone might throw her off of shooting. [editline]20th June 2012[/editline] All that said she may fucking love it... but I don't know your sister, or you for that matter, so I don't have any idea how she acts to try and determine what shooting a nagant would do to her opinion of guns.
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;36413618]Yeah... but still. When some one goes shooting for the first time goal one is safety, and goal two is fun. Assuming your sister is like a girl and not either a tom boy or a real boy she isn't going to find it fun to have her shoulder beaten around by a nagant, especially if she doesn't know how to hold it properly... also remember the nagant is a tree limb that happens to fire bullets so the weight and length alone might throw her off of shooting.[/QUOTE] If you show her how to hold it properly before firing, she won't get kicked around. Don't just throw the rifle at her and tell her to pull the trigger without teaching her how to hold it. The Mosin Nagant's recoil isn't nearly as bad as you're all making it out to be.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36413602][tab]buy her a nugget and don't listen to the children whose shoulders still hurt after "borrowing" their dad's rifle[/tab] fsd sup bro[/QUOTE] no no no no i'm not buying HER a nugget. I'm buying ME a nugget and asking if that could serve a dual purpose of teaching her how to shoot a rifle Almost unanimously the answer is no so...
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;36413664]If you show her how to hold it properly before firing, she won't get kicked around. Don't just throw the rifle at her and tell her to pull the trigger without teaching her how to hold it. The Mosin Nagant's recoil isn't nearly as bad as you're all making it out to be.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and show her proper technique but she still might be like ouch and say fuck this. A nagant isn't that bad with recoil but then again a first time shooter has no point of reference. She may be like, "this thing fucking hurts!" or she may be like, "This thing doesn't kick at all." Recoil is a matter of opinion and to some a nagant hurts. At any rate, I really don't care anymore... your going to do what ever the fuck you want and then she is going to do whatever the fuck she wants. All I am saying is put the odds on your side, if you choose not to then I really don't give a fuck.
If you want a cool classic semi .22 get a Winchester 190/290.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36413714]no no no no i'm not buying HER a nugget. I'm buying ME a nugget and asking if that could serve a dual purpose of teaching her how to shoot a rifle Almost unanimously the answer is no so...[/QUOTE] Buy a 22 for now. Work on your form and then work your way up.
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;36413718]Go ahead and show her proper technique but she still might be like ouch and say fuck this. A nagant isn't that bad with recoil but then again a first time shooter has no point of reference. She may be like, "this thing fucking hurts!" or she may be like, "This thing doesn't kick at all." Recoil is a matter of opinion and to some a nagant hurts.[/QUOTE] If she says it's fine, keep taking her to the range with the Mosin Nagant. If it dislocates her shoulder or tears her arm off, then let her use the .22 until she thinks shes ready to try the Mosin Nagant again.
[QUOTE=faze;36413755]Buy a 22 for now. Work on your form and then work your way up.[/QUOTE] I think he said his grandfather already has a .22 so who gives a shit what he buys... I think the real issue is what he teaches his sister to shoot on.
[QUOTE=faze;36413755]Buy a 22 for now. Work on your form and then work your way up.[/QUOTE] I already know how to shoot a rifle and all the safety procedures that are involved with handling one I'll probably, y'know, just bring both a nugget and the .22 to the range and see which one my sister likes the most. problem solved
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36413787]I already know how to shoot a rifle and all the safety procedures that are involved with handling one I'll probably, y'know, just bring both a nugget and the .22 to the range and see which one my sister likes the most. problem solved[/QUOTE] Fine then, buy an M60. You seem like you know what you want...so go buy something.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;36413779]If she says it's fine, keep taking her to the range with the Mosin Nagant. If it dislocates her shoulder or tears her arm off, then let her use the .22 until she thinks shes ready to try the Mosin Nagant again.[/QUOTE] Fine I think we are in agreement... if you sister loses an arm then you can blame Trunk Monkay.
What are your opinions on sks receiver scope mounts? Something like this: [img]http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/OmZlto92nPOCTofzC8zoYgc6EYeEKdb8SjXiPylnKFQOsfKdu9IP5bLawYu2P50k7dift3UeQMrFzeCc9gLXyqeOWAXXotIXwb_7K9KVCvO1OxWLiZUBYieJC3JCVr2L1i-3VIESGcddXmuQAAQ1RJdwHgLZNxA8BdI5GuWrOiwZaIVSUM2sK1i4Nt8X7B22lW600C7hf5IwRTtVAP12jB4FiV6Z8mxi2mwazMC_MyFgCD-2dTbNiqYN6Yj828fpi3UgX3pRGSDLSo6sMg[/img] I want to put a short 1-4x scope on there, my eyesight is not quite the best.
While on the topic of Nagants, I just bought myself a 1931 Tula Nagant Revolver. Overpaid a little bit (150$ + a bullshit 14$ "handgun fee"). Sucks that I have to wait till Friday to get it.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36415184]dust cover mounts are full retard[/QUOTE] What would you suggest then, please?
[QUOTE=Ironic Man;36415348]What would you suggest then, please?[/QUOTE] Side-mounted scopes as Mikhail intended. You mount that shit on the receiver, because the dust cover goes all WOBBLE WOBBLE WOBBLE with each shot, fucking up your zero. Or a gas-tube rail if your name is Bubba. The only non-retarded dustcover mount is that hinged one, but I can't seem to find it anymore. [editline]20th June 2012[/editline] [url=http://www.onesourcetactical.com/kalashnikovriflescoperailtopcoverdoglegscoperailgen-2.aspx#.T-I22fVlryF]Nevermind, here it is.[/url] [img]http://www.onesourcetactical.com/images/products/detail/twstopcover1.jpg[/img] Those hinges reduce a lot of wobble, plus you can pretend it's an RPD every time you open it to strip it.
Anybody buy any of that 7.62x39 I posted a page or so back?
An SKS-D is the one that can take AK drum mags right?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36417314]it's barnaul, it's fine[/QUOTE] What?
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