I don't see paracord anywhere on that list, soldier!
v:v:v
[QUOTE=Ridge;36955033]If you're intimidating someone, that means you are within a few feet of them. A pistol is going to be far more maneuverable, and it's going to be harder for the other person to grab it away from you.
Family picture!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Joiksl.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Oooh...
That's a nice carbine you've got there. :v:
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;36955151]My list, personally, would be:
If I've left anything out, feel free to point it out. Since this is an "on-the-move" list, I think I'll be looting some places for ammo as I need it.[/QUOTE]
Damn I hope you gotta truck.
[QUOTE=napalm_bomb;36955178]Damn I hope you gotta truck.[/QUOTE]
I do. It's a nice Toyota Tacoma, and it gets great gas mileage (plus, we might get a Deuce 'n' a half)
I would lvoe to have a Martini-Henry, man.
[QUOTE=Ridge;36955033]If you're intimidating someone, that means you are within a few feet of them. A pistol is going to be far more maneuverable, and it's going to be harder for the other person to grab it away from you.
Family picture!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Joiksl.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Beautiful collection you have there.
I don't mean to sound like billy-badass, but if I were dropped into a scenario where I would actually need to abandon my home and take a kit like that with me, I would avoid other humans at all cost, and wouldn't intimidate them but just shoot them. I'd take my mosin because it's a high enough caliber that can do some damage and take out some large game, it's very accurate, very tough, very easy to clean, and I have tons of ammunition for it. I don't yet own a handgun, but if given time and preparation I'd probably take all of my rifles with me.
Here is what is in my 72hr bag:
Main compartment:
3L Camelbak
Change of clothes, two pairs of wool socks
Large utility knife (Ontario Spec Plus)
Collapsible shovel
1L propane canister
Small collapsible propane stove (will fit a can on it)
Assorted components of a handful of MREs
Tarp pup tent
Top outer compartment:
Compass
Map of the state
10 chemlights
Water purifying tablets
100ft of paracord
Lower outer pocket:
Hand crank radio
First aid kit
Sand goggles
Army survival handbook
I keep it in the trunk of my car during the winter or if I'm heading more than a few miles out of the metro area
As for a gun, I'd probably take something lightweight, adaptable, and that I have a decent amount of ammo for. At the current time, it'd probably be my M1 carbine.
By the way, WD-40 and Duct Tape is the ultimate repair kit.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;36955214]By the way, WD-40 and Duct Tape is the ultimate repair kit.[/QUOTE]
If it moves and it shouldn't, duct tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, WD40.
:)
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;36955214]By the way, WD-40 and Duct Tape is the ultimate repair kit.[/QUOTE]
I agree.
Honestly though, I'm genuinely surprised you guys don't have paracord on your list. It's fucking ridiculous when it comes to how many bloody uses there are for the stuff (from making a nice bracelet to towing your fucking car if you rig it right), and it's easy as balls to store.
Get on it, it could mean the difference between moving safely and falling off a fucking cliff!
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36955237]I agree.
Honestly though, I'm genuinely surprised you guys don't have paracord on your list. It's fucking ridiculous when it comes to how many bloody uses there are for the stuff (from making a nice bracelet to towing your fucking car if you rig it right), and it's easy as balls to store.
Get on it, it could mean the difference between moving safely and falling off a fucking cliff![/QUOTE]
It's not on my list because it's on my wrist
[url]http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/bd44/?srp=1[/url]
Not sure how well one of these would work in a survival scenario, but it should come in handy if I'm ever in one.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36955237]I agree.
Honestly though, I'm genuinely surprised you guys don't have paracord on your list. It's fucking ridiculous when it comes to how many bloody uses there are for the stuff (from making a nice bracelet to towing your fucking car if you rig it right), and it's easy as balls to store.
Get on it, it could mean the difference between moving safely and falling off a fucking cliff![/QUOTE]
Updated my list. :v:
Has anyone else seen one of those arguments where people go on about the "best" survival rifle as if no matter where you are in the world, or your environment, one rifle will do it all?
There is no such thing as a "universal" rifle if you ask me. You choose what is best for your location and environment.
[QUOTE=download;36955311]Has anyone else seen one of those arguments where people go on about the "best" survival rifle as if no matter where you are in the world, or your environment, one rifle will do it all?
There is no such thing as a "universal" rifle if you ask me. You choose what is best for your location and environment.[/QUOTE]
Or what you've got on hand. That helps too.
In fact, I have the option of dropping my Saiga for my Mossberg, if I wanted to.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;36955325]Or what you've got on hand. That helps too.
In fact, I have the option of dropping my Saiga for my Mossberg, if I wanted to.[/QUOTE]
You are limited to what you have one hand, but if given the option for any firearm in a survival situation, you need to consider your location
Will you be in a mostly urban environment, or a mostly country environment?
What are easily acquirable calibres in your area?
How large are the animals that you'll be shooting for food?
Are your expected engagement distances going to allow you to take your time with shots, or will you at close range and need a high volume of fire?
So for me,
I live on the edge of suburbia, so I would go rural, so I'd have a full length rifle
In Australia, 5.56/.223 Remington and 7.62/.308 Winchester are probably the most common after .22lr
Unless I go really rural (i.e. far up north where camels, pigs, and water buffalo are) I'll mostly be shooting at kangaroos, so both calibres are ok
Engagement distances would be pretty far, seeing as most of rural Australia is grassland, farmland or desert, with some scrub land. So i'd probably go with .308 Winchester
I'd want semi-auto capability, in the event my engagement distances are small, or when I'm forced to go into towns. I'd probably be looking at an FN FAL, they're probably the most common semi-automatic rifle in Australia (though there isn't very many after they cut them all up) If I could get one though, I'd love a semi-auto M14 or an SR25
I'd love to get the Sub-2000 carbine because it strikes me as very utilizable (considering it uses 9mm and Glock mags) in an urban environment, but I definitely wouldn't want to take it out into the wilds with me because it'd strike out for hunting purposes.
Thus disqualifying it as a "universal" survival rifle.
Erm, carbine.
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I'm with you, download. I need something semi-automatic with decent distance that can be used for defense and hunting.
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[QUOTE=Kartoffel;36955186]I do. It's a nice Toyota Tacoma, and it gets great gas mileage (plus, we might get a Deuce 'n' a half)[/QUOTE]
[b]I MISS MY FUCKING TOYOTA 4x4
AND[/b] my goddamn Ranger. Shit.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36954596]Alright, so I've been mulling some things over, and I realize that this is the Firearms thread, but I think it's relevant to our interests (and it might help drag this sucker away from politics), but!
What would you guys consider having in your "ultimate bug-out kit". This includes:
Guns
Knives
Food
Medical Supplies
General Gear
Communication,
etc, etc.
I've been trying to come up with a list for months, and I tend to get overwhelmed with the amount of [b]STUFF[/b] out there that I could include in an away-kit.[/QUOTE]
mine is a generic worst case scenario long term kit that can be added to or subtracted from depending on the scenario. it'll deal with any problem and the whole thing only weighs about 60 pounds including food and ammo (which in reality you're going to only tote around what you need and will usually be camped out anyway, so it'll be more like 25 pounds max normally)
Daisy Powerline 880 (small game, can use BBs or pellets, both of which are very plentiful. 14 pumps will get the projectile moving at transonic speeds. can easily carry several thousand rounds and the ammunition is reusable)
Mossberg 702 + ammo (small game, basic defense. .22LR is a cheap and plentiful round and isn't hard to find in boxes of 500 or more)
Mosin Nagant M44 + ammo (large game, defense against large predators or armored targets. round is also cheap and plentiful, and relatively easy to find)
cleaning kits
ka-bar
hatchet
whet stone
potted meat
canned fruit
1.5 liter bottle for water storage
small pot for boiling water in
4"x24" PVC tube with end caps for buriable or buoyant storage
gauze, neosporin, rubbing alcohol, superglue, etc. general medical supplies
cloves (great local anesthetic, wonderful ant repellant, and very easy to get)
cigarettes (good for both stress relief and first aid. tobacco is incredibly useful as an insectiside, antivenom substitute, intestinal parasite control, laxitive, etc.)
mortar and pestle (for grinding up the tobacco and cloves)
mummy bag
paracord
WD40 and JB Weld
3 large garbage bags (one for collecting water, one for sheltering my equipment from the rain, one for sheltering me from the rain if necessary)
steel wool and 9v batteries (for starting fires)
a flint (for when I run out of steel wool and 9v batteries)
magnifying glass (more firestarters)
2 way radios
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[QUOTE=Kartoffel;36955214]By the way, WD-40 and Duct Tape is the ultimate repair kit.[/QUOTE]
JB Weld is more practical than duct tape generally. duct tape won't help you if your barrel cracks, but JB Weld is a strong enough compound that I wouldn't hesitate to use a gun repaired with it if I had no other option
You guys should consider Pepper Spray, Batons and Handcuffs for your survival kits.
The former two are extremely useful for self defense, especially against wild animals and of course humans, the later is an ultimate solution for fixing things together as well as restraining humans.
I've got paracord for restraining things and fixing things together, and I'm not interested in incapacitating targets over killing them. if I need to hit somebody with something, I've got my mosin.
I doubt your Mosin is going to help against most wildlife, pepper spray is definitely something I wouldn't wanna miss.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36956366]I doubt your Mosin is going to help against most wildlife, pepper spray is definitely something I wouldn't wanna miss.[/QUOTE]
"Oh shit a fucking rattle-snake!"
[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]
[editline]27th July 2012[/editline]
*bite*
that's what the .22 and the powerline is for
[QUOTE=ewitwins;36956505]"Oh shit a fucking rattle-snake!"
[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]-chick-[b]*BLAM*[/b]
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*bite*[/QUOTE]
I imagine hitting a snake isn't easy.
and there's always just stepping on it and knocking off it's head with that hatchet
also rattlesnake is pretty damn tasty you should all eat it
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36956817]and there's always just stepping on it and knocking off it's head with that hatchet
also rattlesnake is pretty damn tasty you should all eat it
step on it
step on
step[/QUOTE]
... I don't think I could conscientiously advice this because I have to grab snakes behind the head on a regular basis, and getting those guys down is harder than you think, and I'm guessing that stepping on one without getting bitten would be even harder.
Just sayin' :v: May as well just get an extendable snake-stick and avoid the trouble. Here's what one looks like:
[img]http://www.bugspraycart.com/wp-content/uploads/traps/poles-and-tongs/snake-hook-telescopic-heavy-duty-39/826633.jpg[/img]
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As a matter of fact that's something that you might wanna just own in general if you don't like killing snakes if you don't have to. Just buy a cheap one and have it next to the door on a hat-rack or something. I've moved about five rattlesnakes and a good dozen rosey boa's from my doorstep in the last five years with a snake stick and haven't had to kill a single one.
*~the more you know~*
On that note, they really are good eats if you cook 'em right.
[QUOTE=SomeENG;36937164]Come to Montana, Alaska like gun-laws with actual civilization included. I'll even throw in no state sales tax for no extra charge![/QUOTE]
You live in Montana?
[QUOTE=mastermaul;36956939]You live in Montana?[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Alright, Hunter Safety Courses are coming up and here in Illinois we are allowed to use firearms of rifle length in certain areas.
If I pass the course, should I break in the R700 or go Poppycock and use the SMLE MKIII
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36959991]Alright, Hunter Safety Courses are coming up and here in Illinois we are allowed to use firearms of rifle length in certain areas.
If I pass the course, should I break in the R700 or go Poppycock and use the SMLE MKIII[/QUOTE]
SMLE. If you reload.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36959991]Alright, Hunter Safety Courses are coming up and here in Illinois we are allowed to use firearms of rifle length in certain areas.
If I pass the course, should I break in the R700 or go Poppycock and use the SMLE MKIII[/QUOTE]
SMLE
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