• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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[QUOTE=Neat!;35282955]how is it faster/preferable to hand loading?[/QUOTE] The SKS is an absolute [B]pain[/B] in the ass without one. I tried loading it like a Mosin, without knowing that would cause the bolt to slam shut on my thumb. Felt like a dumbass. The way to load it without a stripper clip is to hold the bolt back with 1 hand, with the rifle secured, and then with your other hand, load the 10 shots. Stripper clips are almost a necessity for SKS's.
300 AAC Blackout needs to hurry up and get cheap, I've got to find a barrel for that shit
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35283564]nagants aren't simonovs tho :v:[/QUOTE] Far from it, both awesome Russian rifles, though.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35283367]AR-15s on the civilian market were not "fitted" to fire semi-only, they were manufactured semi-only, you can't "retrofit" it to fire automatic "again," as it never fired automatic in the first place. It is still illegal, though, to make it automatic.[/QUOTE] it's illegal to modify the upper so it shoots automatic but you can always buy a pre-ban upper or a slidefire [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35283586]Why? 7,62x39 is better.[/QUOTE] 7.62x39 doesn't fire out of a standard AR15 receiver. All you need to change is the barrel to convert it. back and forth from 5.56 and 300BLK [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;35283531]That isn't how it works, a ar will always be semi-auto. Putting a slide fire stock just manipulates the trigger faster giving you the perception of full-auto or burst fire. Plus most AR15s are build with parts that have tolerances for semi-automatic only. Surely using one will damage the gun or wear it down faster seeing as it was not designed for that type of use. Each to their own I guess. I just think it is a huge waste of money, most ranges don't allow them or want them. They cause more problems at the range then anything (unless it is a range with full-auto type weapons). I just don't find it fun dumping 30 rounds in to a target in a few seconds then going and seeing it filled with holes. I rather take precision shots, challenge myself at different ranges and target sizes and work on my pistol/rifle stance.[/QUOTE] slidefires are just glorified bump sticks tbh
[QUOTE=MR-X;35283531]That isn't how it works, a ar will always be semi-auto. Putting a slide fire stock just manipulates the trigger faster giving you the perception of full-auto or burst fire. Plus most AR15s are build with parts that have tolerances for semi-automatic only. Surely using one will damage the gun or wear it down faster seeing as it was not designed for that type of use. Each to their own I guess. I just think it is a huge waste of money, most ranges don't allow them or want them. They cause more problems at the range then anything (unless it is a range with full-auto type weapons). I just don't find it fun dumping 30 rounds in to a target in a few seconds then going and seeing it filled with holes. I rather take precision shots, challenge myself at different ranges and target sizes and work on my pistol/rifle stance.[/QUOTE] 1, That's pretty much what I said in saying why it wouldn't be illegal. You're not changing the rifle just manipulating it faster than humanly possible. Though it isn't a perception of full auto it is fully auto. Slide fires can give you a rate of fire almost equal to or equal to that of an actual automatic rifle 2, I'm not talking about just AR15s. I'm actually specifically talking about AK-47's and AK-74's, I just used an AR-15 as an example because that's the only one I've seen used. As far as wear and tear, it may and it may not. Yes if the firearm was designed specifically for semi auto it could probably hurt things down the line but at the same time if it's capable of it, there must be some tolerance there 3, I understand ranges not allowing fully automatic weapons. I wouldn't be taking a slide fire to a range. 4, I don't find it fun either. I find it practical. Like I stated I have my reasons one of which being that I feel something will happen this year and I want to be prepared. I don't plan on ever using a slide fire on target practice except initially to get used to it and get the hang of it. And I would still be using it for burst fire, not spray-and-pray type shooting. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35283604]it's illegal to modify the upper so it shoots automatic but you can always buy a pre-ban upper or a slidefire[/QUOTE] I am assuming an 'upper' in this case is the actual built in firing mechanisms and you're referring to what I was talking about when saying "Modifying the rifle itself to fire fully automatic"
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35283710]you don't hit shit with a slidefire that's it[/QUOTE] Have you used one? I've been looking at videos for slidefires and they seem fairly accurate for being fired full auto. I'm sure it takes getting used to and some skill but yeah, no. It doesn't look fucking terrible Also I don't really understand why you keep glossing over 'burst fire'. I keep saying it.
I don't know what that means but I am not looking to 'waste money' If I was looking to waste money I would buy a pre-ban fully automatic AK. That would be wasting money. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] I don't even know what your problem is. I simply asked if it was legal and you're going on about how it's a terrible idea. The fact that they're so popular and, from what I've seen, not [i]horribly[/i] inaccurate when used properly, makes me think otherwise.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35283710]you don't hit shit with a slidefire that's it [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] you're paying out of your ass for a proprietary cartridge when you just can get an 7,62x39 upper though[/QUOTE] I'd end up having to use high end ammo anyway, an AR15 can't handle that nasty gunk that comes with the cheap surplus ammo.
I have furniture I don't need more, I'd only need a couple extra magazines, and ammo is cheap enough (in my opinion) to get both. From where I'm ordering it, 700 rounds for $150. That'll last me a hell of a long time. I have no need for a scope on an AK. The ironsights are perfectly fine. Same goes for a silencer. I think this is a pretty good video detailing specifically the AK slide-fire stock. He makes some good points, and shows that it isn't as inaccurate as you're portraying it to be. [video=youtube;xFVUQru2THo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFVUQru2THo[/video]
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35283867]i'm not saying it's a terrible idea i'm just saying that for those couple hundred bucks you could get mags, furniture, ammo, optics or even a silencer [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] i wouldn't [B]ever[/B] consider using corrosive surplus in a DI firearm it'd rust faster than a ford[/QUOTE] even if I was using a piston ar15 I wouldn't want to run corrosive ammo through it. AR15s just aren't reliable weapons in that sense.
I wouldn't have any problem running corrosive ammo through an AK, those are easy to clean and 90% of the time will continue to function perfectly no matter what's wrong with it same with an SKS but expect a lot of slamfires
The only thing that I would run corrosive ammo through would be my Nugget.
I do run corrosive ammo through my nugget [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] speaking of nuggets: fuck the batfe, I'm getting an obrez
SKSes and AKs and such were fired for decades with corrosive shit, and as long as you clean your SKS then you won't have issues with slams. I've fired corrosive out of just about every commonly available gun that Russia made, save the AK, and none of them have developed any long-term issues. As for saying the slide-fire isn't a "perception" of full auto due to fire rate, it is just a perception. Full auto means many bullets for one trigger pull, the slide-fire merely allows you to pull a semi-auto trigger faster, your gun is still semi-auto and always will be, you can just shoot it faster. Also, by "furniture" he didn't mean shit like couches and tables, furniture in relation to guns means stocks, grips, and various other aesthetics. Unless you have AK/AR parts lying around, you seemed to misinterpret that one.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35284703]Looked at two auction/secondhand sites today.. There's an early production CETME C with curved magazine and a H&K G3 with wide handguard for sale.. Holy fucking shit. This is probably the closest I'll ever be to own anything close to a CETME/G3. If only I had 10 000 NOK to waste :v:..[/QUOTE] for americans, that's about $1700 iirc :v
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35284703]Looked at two auction/secondhand sites today.. There's an early production CETME C with curved magazine and a H&K G3 with wide handguard for sale.. Holy fucking shit. This is probably the closest I'll ever be to own anything close to a CETME/G3. If only I had 10 000 NOK to waste :v:..[/QUOTE] My friend is selling his CETME and a bunch of mags for around $500. I don't know if he still has it, but if he does, i may look into it come tax return time. [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] Also, to anyone in the US, if you aren't familiar with it, you should check out midwayusa.com. We seem to have pretty decent deals (I work there in the warehouse. It's about as soul-crushingly fun as a place that butt-fucks your soul can be, but it's not the worst thing ever.) Anyhow, from what i've seen we're pretty good about getting orders out the door. (We just hit a month straight of 99.7% same day shipping on all orders placed before 6:30pm). So if you're sick of some fuck not sending your stuff out on time, hit them up. I don't know about prices, since i haven't done a lot of gun shopping, but maybe they are average?
Midway's prices are pretty darn good IMO. I completely forgot about them until you mentioned them.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35284703]Looked at two auction/secondhand sites today.. There's an early production CETME C with curved magazine and a H&K G3 with wide handguard for sale.. Holy fucking shit. This is probably the closest I'll ever be to own anything close to a CETME/G3. If only I had 10 000 NOK to waste :v:..[/QUOTE] Don't worry, you wouldn't be able to buy it legally anyways, you'd have to apply for a license through NROF(Norwegian Reserve Officer Union/Club/Organization) as an actively serving Corporal or higher. So, basically, to be able to BUY one, you'd have to go through the army, meaning you'll probably already have access to one, in which case you'd just apply to keep a bolt carrier for your G3, HK416/7 or Mp5.
Oh well, here in Italy you can get a semiauto G3 (or other rifles of the same family) with the basic license and money. And with "money" I mean "up to 5000 euros". [img]http://i.imgur.com/k4TIa.png[/img]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35284525] Also, by "furniture" he didn't mean shit like couches and tables, furniture in relation to guns means stocks, grips, and various other aesthetics. Unless you have AK/AR parts lying around, you seemed to misinterpret that one.[/QUOTE] Ah. My response still stands though. Like I said I don't feel the need to modify the firearms. The only things I might want are a silencer for my M1895 and a scope for my Mosin but seeing as the Mosin scope is climbing up back towards $500 I've decided fuck that.
'Sup, I just finished reading this thread and it was both pretty informative and pretty entertaining. I have been thinking about the possibilities of getting a gun for a while, but since I live in Denmark, my options are pretty limited. We have even stricter gun laws than out neighbours Norway and Sweden, but it is possible. To own a gun you either have to be in the national guard, a member of a hunting club, or a member of a shooting range. If you are one of those you [I]might[/I] get a permit when you apply for it. To go hunting you have to pass a thorough course that both costs and takes the same amount of time as getting a drivers license. You have to pay annually for the hunting license, pay for the permit to own a gun, and then the gun has to be stored in your own personal gun safe. The worst part is that all shotguns must be limited to a two round capacity, and all rifles must be bolt-action and limited to a 10 round capacity. Hunting in Denmark is mostly seen as a sport for decadent upper class, right-wing supporting industrialists, so the market also caters to them. Example: So do you guys like expensive guns? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4vJfM.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UygIs.jpg[/IMG] Get a Browning B25 Game today, only 114.995,00DKK! (20.479,60$) [URL="http://www.korsholm.dk/dk/jagt-1/exklusive-vaben/browning-b25-game.html"]http://www.korsholm.dk/dk/jagt-1/exklusive-vaben/browning-b25-game.html[/URL]
According to classmate who has family in Denmark, you guys might be allowed to hunt with suppressors soon? How's that going for you?
It is probably only for .22 and airguns for hunting birds and such. I actually found out that you can get a permission to go hunting with pistols and revolvers in Denmark, but I don't know [I]why[/I] that would be a good idea. This is out largest natural predator: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ei8cH.jpg[/IMG] This is our largest overall animal: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qdhiD.jpg[/IMG] It's probably just a bad excuse to own a handgun, because I don't really think people are scared of being hideously mauled by Bambi while out in the woods. Is it really a viable option to go hunting these kinds of animals with a pistol or revolver? Some of you have probably tried it.
I read an article in [B]AMERICAN HANDGUNNER[/B] that said hunting Bambi with 1911's was actually pretty common in the post-wwII times as the 1911's were cheap
The hunter has to be damn sneaky then, because as far as I know, you have to be pretty close to get a proper kill shot with a .45. The reason why I started reading this thread was because I talked to one of my best friends that took his hunting license two years ago about how we both missed shooting. He is too poor to actually have a proper hunting weapon right now, but his mother has a really nice hunting rifle he is thinking about getting a permit for. He used to be a great marksman and he went to a lot of shooting competitions when we were younger. I have been in the military myself, and I would love to go to a range again someday without a drill instructor and three sergeants supervising me all the time. I was honestly surprised when I found out that you could actually buy and legally own a REAL Mosin Nagant right here in Denmark, even for the reasonable price of 1000DKK (less than 200$). I followed an old firearms megathread a few years ago here on FP, so I knew before reading this thread that they were extremely common in USA.
[QUOTE=Bonde;35288920]It's probably just a bad excuse to own a handgun, because I don't really think people are scared of being hideously mauled by Bambi while out in the woods.[/QUOTE] Deer and the like can get aggressive sometimes and stab your ass with their antlers if they feel like.
[QUOTE=Bonde;35290138]The hunter has to be damn sneaky then, because as far as I know, you have to be pretty close to get a proper kill shot with a .45. [/QUOTE] Not any sneakier that usual I guess, it'll be almost like hunting at shotgun distance.
[QUOTE=Campin Carl;35290892]Not any sneakier that usual I guess, it'll be almost like hunting at shotgun distance.[/QUOTE] shotguns aren't as inaccurate as video games make them out to be. I've gotten a 75 yd kill on a turkey with my 590 before.
I'm not comparing them to videogames either, I just tend to pratice that shotgun distance is at max 50 yards, I personally wouldn't take the shot if was further, due to the risk of wounding instead of getting clean kill.
I liked my cabelas game, the shotgun's shot would stay grouped together for infinity and it had a bullet camera and i shot into the sky and fucking killed a trophy bison across a forest fuck yeah.
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