• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;35306288]What the hell state do you live in, that sounds more strict than cali. Sucks for you, I can own any gun I want in any caliber with any size magazine. The only limitation I have is money and autos made after 1986.[/QUOTE] The great Big Blue State of Connecticut (We still have an AWB!!!!)
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35299453]over here in the states we can get a combat-worn nugget with original bayonet, strap, and scope for like $200[/QUOTE] You're getting ripped off. The store near me has original wooden crates full of 91/30s for $99
I paid $150 for my hex receiver Nugget. I found it a fair price.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35306888]You're getting ripped off. The store near me has original wooden crates full of 91/30s for $99[/QUOTE] combat worn with original bayonet, strap, and scope I can get a late production without the accessories for $80
I miss bad reading and bad spelling.
[QUOTE=cardfan212;35307534]I paid $150 for my hex receiver Nugget. I found it a fair price.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, $120 for my hex receiver Nugget 2 years ago. Great shooter, worth the little bit of extra money to get something just a little nicer.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35304462]He lives in Denmark.. 7,62x39 is rare in Scandinavia and it's mostly Barnaul stuff. The AK-47, AKM and their variants use 7,62x39. The AK-74, AK-74M and their variants use 5,45x39.[/QUOTE] Oh. I didn't know he lived in Denmark. And disregard the AK-74 bit. Dyslexic Fingers :v: Meant to type 47 Just did it again too [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35305430]The market for 9x18, 5,45x39, 7,62x39, 7,62x38R, 7,62x54R and similar rounds is so small that nobody bothers.[/QUOTE] Is it possible to import surplus ammo from a Warsaw Pact country for less than I'd pay for it in the states?
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35308339]Is it possible to import surplus ammo from a Warsaw Pact country for less than I'd pay for it in the states?[/QUOTE] I don't know if that is even possible w/out an FFL. And if it is (for whatever reason) you'd probably pay out the ass in taxes and shipping.
Bah humbug
The surplus crap is imported by the boatload to North America, it's definitely cheaper and less time-consuming to just buy the Warsaw Pact surplus your local FFL has than try and get it independently.
[QUOTE=Bonde;35303406]Well then it is going to be a bolt action, limited to 5 rounds in a non-detachable magazine like danish law dictates. I'm guessing that he likes wood, a solid stock, and he is a big guy just like me, so a long stock doesn't hurt either. It's for hunting deer, but I guess that he would also like to take it to a range once in a while. I just talked to him and he is prepared to invest around 10.000DKK (1.785,46$) on rifle+scope.[/QUOTE] Nugget sniper?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35309397]The surplus crap is imported by the boatload to North America, it's definitely cheaper and less time-consuming to just buy the Warsaw Pact surplus your local FFL has than try and get it independently.[/QUOTE] Actually cheaper to order it. My best FFL dealer has 7.62x54mm for like $8 per 20 round box. Alternatively I can buy 440 rounds for $90 at many websites.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35309671]Actually cheaper to order it. My best FFL dealer has 7.62x54mm for like $8 per 20 round box. Alternatively I can buy 440 rounds for $90 at many websites.[/QUOTE] That's because the $8 per 20 rounds is new stuff and 440 for $90 is surplus.
True but most surplus Russian firearms can handle it. Give it a good cleaning every now and again, throw it under a tank, and treat it to a mud bath and it'll love you forever. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] Except for .22 ammunition. That stuff is cheap as fuck anyway. Last time I bought ammo for my .22 it was like $30 for a box of 400 or 500 rounds just fucking poured into a square container.
Everyone's been telling me surplus ammo will grime up your gun faster than new ammo. Just going off what I've been told.
So what you're saying is for the authentic experience I want Surplus :v:
The surplus crap is dirty and cheap, and you need to clean your gun after you get back from the range, which you should be doing anyways, but some people don't. You're not likely to get MOA accuracy with a Russian gun anyways, and the surplus puts you a bit farther from that dream, but you'll still be on paper at 100. Also, they did, AFAIK, change 7.62x54 with the 7N1 loads, to be used in the SVD and modern MGs, and AFAIK they're not recommended for use in older Russian guns.
My local gunshop has the best surplus rounds. All their stuff is like 1970s or 1980s. Never had a hang/misfire, gas vent in my face, or anything else.
I've had surplus rounds just not go off at all a few times, but I've had good experience with them for the most part.
I shoot surplus and the only problem I've had is the hard primer not being set off because the gun was freezing up and the firing pin wasn't hitting it hard enough, now that winter's over that shouldn't be a problem. Shit won't rust if you clean it right, especially if you use CLP, that shit works more miracles than Hoppe's 9, and that's why the military has used it for decades. As long as you clean it thoroughly when you get back from the range, and store it in a relatively dry environment (such as keeping a sac full of silica gel in your safe/closet/cabinet), you should have no problems with rust. The Russians shot these guns with corrosive ammo for decades, and they didn't clean them nearly as well as most shooters, the fact that the gun is still here shows it can stand up to it. I have never had a round of surplus in any of the main 3 available Russian Calibres that didn't fire, and I can't recall having a case tear either. The surplus gets an unneeded bad rep, it's fine as long as you treat the gun right, and it's great if you're on a budget. I know most people here with an SKS buy the surplus crap by the crate and burn through it, and if they had to buy it all new commercially, they'd never find near comparable amounts and they'd be flat broke. Hell, one store around here that I called at one point said they had over 250 crates of 7.62x54R, and that 880 round crate was only $300. For the SKS, it's $300 for 1200-1400 rounds, and for the TT-33 it's $300 for 2280 rounds. The ammo works fine, and it saves money, you just need to give your guns a bit of extra care. Also it appears I'm wrong about the 7N1, thank you.
Because Australia is shit, I have to hand load all my 7.62x54R... which is okay because I like under-loading it with lead projectiles for use at the range. It is so much cheaper.
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;35311274]Because Australia is shit, I have to hand load all my 7.62x54R... which is okay because I like under-loading it with lead projectiles for use at the range. It is so much cheaper.[/QUOTE] speaking of handloading I've been doing my own shotgun loads lately and those wax slugs that are all over youtube are pretty damn amazing and everyone here should try them
TBH with how cheap the Russian stuff is here, most people view the Russian guns as basically disposable, if it rusts to shit too much you just get another, you still didn't spend as much as you would have for almost any other kind of gun, especially ones in comparable calibres, if you have to buy a second one form mishandling the first. That, and they're basically always available, if there's a surplus crate of ammo for it from Combloc, the gun can be found at most stores or online whenever you need or want it. Nagant revolvers are harder to find, though, but they're still only $200.
Let's be honest. If it is a bolt action corrosive is fine (not talking about the 1,000 plus high end .308's, we talkin bout surplus guns). I've never had an issue with corrosive and I enjoy cleaning my guns so... either become like me or find a money tree.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35311149]I shoot surplus and the only problem I've had is the hard primer not being set off because the gun was freezing up and the firing pin wasn't hitting it hard enough, now that winter's over that shouldn't be a problem. Shit won't rust if you clean it right, especially if you use CLP, that shit works more miracles than Hoppe's 9, and that's why the military has used it for decades. As long as you clean it thoroughly when you get back from the range, and store it in a relatively dry environment (such as keeping a sac full of silica gel in your safe/closet/cabinet), you should have no problems with rust. The Russians shot these guns with corrosive ammo for decades, and they didn't clean them nearly as well as most shooters, the fact that the gun is still here shows it can stand up to it. I have never had a round of surplus in any of the main 3 available Russian Calibres that didn't fire, and I can't recall having a case tear either. The surplus gets an unneeded bad rep, it's fine as long as you treat the gun right, and it's great if you're on a budget. I know most people here with an SKS buy the surplus crap by the crate and burn through it, and if they had to buy it all new commercially, they'd never find near comparable amounts and they'd be flat broke. Hell, one store around here that I called at one point said they had over 250 crates of 7.62x54R, and that 880 round crate was only $300. For the SKS, it's $300 for 1200-1400 rounds, and for the TT-33 it's $300 for 2280 rounds. The ammo works fine, and it saves money, you just need to give your guns a bit of extra care. Also it appears I'm wrong about the 7N1, thank you.[/QUOTE] Wow $300 for 880 rounds of x54? I could get that shit for like 150-160 [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] Anyway I've been thinking about the Nagant Revolver and x38 scarcity and everyone keeps saying you can chamber .38 in it easily enough. What do you have to do to do that? Do you need to get a new cylinder or just load it in?
[quote]This ammunition was designed specifically for use in the SVD semi-auto sniper rifle but should perform well in any type of rifle chambered for 7.62x54r due to the[B] close tolerances and high quality control exercised during it's manufacture.[/B][/quote] :v:
I'm on a budget here dammit. I need to shoot as many things as I can as cheaply as possible. I am a busy busy poor man. So many things to shoot and not a lot of dollars to do it with. :v: Don't need me no fancy college degree holding ammunition from the University of Fancy Pants Ammo.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35312601]I'm on a budget here dammit. I need to shoot as many things as I can as cheaply as possible. I am a busy busy poor man. So many things to shoot and not a lot of dollars to do it with. :v: Don't need me no fancy college degree holding ammunition from the University of Fancy Pants Ammo.[/QUOTE] Buy a 22.
I wish I could get a handgun. I'm 19, but federal laws prevents FFL dealers from selling handguns to people below the age of 21. I might try convincing my parents or a co-worker to "gift" me a handgun, but that just seems like jumping through flaming loopholes .
Why are you whining? You have to wait two years, big deal, I can't get one [B]ever[/B]. [sp]Unless I move to America that is...[/sp]
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