• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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Does anyone know what the hell was up with western armies weapons design in the 90's? Seems, the US, France and Australia all had these stupid, ridiculous, and retarded designs where they take a normal rifle, add some crazy computerised targeting computer, and a semi-automatic grenade launcher, then decide is was going to be the next infantry rifle. The US: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM29_OICW[/url] France: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAPOP[/url] Australia: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Individual_Combat_Weapon[/url] All of these things where fucking retarded; they weighed more than a fully loaded light machine gun, and cost like $15k each. They look like they were designed by someone who had never even been in the military, and I'm surprised some general didn't look at it, laugh, then cancel the project before they even built a prototype. Anyway, each of these projects ran for 10+ years
Huh, didn't know the French tried one as well. Anyway, whatever happened to that MetalStorm grenade launcher that was part of the AICW? It sounded pretty interesting.
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;35342333]Huh, didn't know the French tried one as well. Anyway, whatever happened to that MetalStorm grenade launcher that was part of the AICW? It sounded pretty interesting.[/QUOTE] It was all hype. You can't reload the damn thing without replacing the whole unit
[QUOTE=download;35342360]It was all hype. You can't reload the damn thing without replacing the whole unit[/QUOTE] Well gee, that's kinda pointless then. Man, what was our military thinking?
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;35342373]Well gee, that's kinda pointless then. Man, what was our military thinking?[/QUOTE] Not very much by the looks of it
[QUOTE=faze;34638965]Not rating the gun dumb...the grips are just...eh[/QUOTE] I know what you mean, im a massive 1911 fan, and i think the classic original 1911, chambered in .45 is one of the most beautiful weapons i have ever seen, even if it looks "ugly" i just love the grit of the handgun itself. Well that and you can really customize them a lot with the newer versions out and what not.
They want to ban civilian assault rifles over here in The Netherlands because some shitlord decided to shoot up a mall, even when his parents tried to stop him getting a gun license, and had a psychological disorder. Now all the sane people can't have assault rifles.
[QUOTE=koekje4life V2;35342715]They want to ban civilian assault rifles over here in The Netherlands because some shitlord decided to shoot up a mall, even when his parents tried to stop him getting a gun license, and had a psychological disorder. Now all the sane people can't have assault rifles.[/QUOTE] I know how you feel man, i (sadly) live in America, id much rather go back to Europe where i used to live but hey, the state where i live has such strict regulations on assault rifles, and those of the automatic kind that its virtually impossible to own them, thankfully not all states are like that, some allow you to walk in, get a background check and walk out with a shiny new assault rifle.
[QUOTE=koekje4life V2;35342715]They want to ban civilian assault rifles over here in The Netherlands because some shitlord decided to shoot up a mall, even when his parents tried to stop him getting a gun license, and had a psychological disorder. Now all the sane people can't have assault rifles.[/QUOTE] So wait, they knew he was a psycho and gave him a license anyway, or what?
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;35343447]So wait, they knew he was a psycho and gave him a license anyway, or what?[/QUOTE] I think he means that he bought it, without people knowing he was insane. As in medically diagnosed insane
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35342787]You don't seem to be serious about gun ownership at all[/QUOTE] I'm perfectly serious about gun ownership and safety. I've been shooting for five years. I just find it hard to take these retarded politicians seriously and I'd rather make a joke than get mad about it
Dear chief of police please get voted out i want a nugget p.s ur a faget -love concur <33333 I may just apply for one, i mean i would of probably had it by now even though from what i hear he "loses" the papers for months
The Chief of Police isn't even in charge when it comes to gun regulations.
So C-19, Ending the long gun registry, passed the senate advisory committee 7-5, meaning it now goes for 3rd reading in the senate, and gets voted on, which it'll pass no problem and then it's on to the Governor General for Royal ascent. Hopefully it'll be done by mid-April, especially since they told us by Christmas the first time, and then by the end of March, which is not going to happen now.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;35345384]The Chief of Police isn't even in charge when it comes to gun regulations.[/QUOTE] He has to sign your application for a FFL or whatever its called :v: [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] Firearms ID card i guess [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] unless my dad is stupid and he only needs to sign the monthly pistol permit things (can only buy 1 handgun a month, and need a permit each time or something)
Apparently a lawyer is challenging the Safe Storage Regulations, SOR/98-209, sections 6 and 7 about the storage of restricted and prohibited firearms, and the decisions of this will likely carry on to section 5 about non-restricted firearms, challenging that they're unconstitutional and violate sections 7, 11(a), and 11(d) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in a case related to arbitrary charges being placed on a man who had his safe broken into and was then charged with unsafe storage, despite that his guns were IN A FUCKING SAFE. If this gets through, it's one more part of the Firearms Act down, and one less bullshit charge the police can drop on gun owners just for the sake of taking their guns away for a while and running up a large court debt for them.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35345395]i don't care saying moronic things like "go shoot them" is only fuel for the fire to anti-gun activists[/QUOTE] Oh my god the poster Ven Kaeo on the forum FacePunch told someone to shoot this man that wants to ban guns. And he has almost four thousand posts! He must be really important people will surely listen to him [i]Quick ban all the guns now![/i]
Went and did some simulations with sim-glocks (They're like real glocks, the bullets are almost the same but fire at a lower FPS and shoot plastic dye tips) with the police today. Took the role as a officer entering a building with multiple hostiles armed with guns, managed to apprehend one of them. I took a hit myself non-lethal so i kept going, shot (killed) the other suspect. Got to apply a lot of my skills I learned from corrections to the test again, love being pointman. It was a ton of fun, did it in different conditions, by far minimal lighting and clearing rooms with just a handgun and flashlight was the best. Really want to apply for SWAT once I get in to a department again and do a few years of service. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] [img]http://gastatic.com/UserImages/3512/931526734/wm_920127.jpg[/img] This is what they look like. And the ammo [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/9mm_blue_simunition_with_modified_m9_pistol.jpg/548px-9mm_blue_simunition_with_modified_m9_pistol.jpg[/img] Oh lord, double post, for double the awesomeness.
Pretty sure those arent sim-GLOCKS
I realized at the range the other day that pistol shooters actually take the time to sight their targets Isn't a pistol for close range high stakes (aka if you stop to blink you die) combat? doesn't sighting completely negate that point? point shooting should be taught to everyone, it's like 20x faster and accurate enough to kill as long as the target is within 10 meters aka where 99.9% of all armed conflicts take place
[QUOTE=MR-X;35351791]Went and did some simulations with sim-glocks (They're like real glocks, the bullets are almost the same but fire at a lower FPS and shoot plastic dye tips) with the police today. Took the role as a officer entering a building with multiple hostiles armed with guns, managed to apprehend one of them. I took a hit myself non-lethal so i kept going, shot (killed) the other suspect. Got to apply a lot of my skills I learned from corrections to the test again, love being pointman. It was a ton of fun, did it in different conditions, by far minimal lighting and clearing rooms with just a handgun and flashlight was the best. Really want to apply for SWAT once I get in to a department again and do a few years of service. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] [img]http://gastatic.com/UserImages/3512/931526734/wm_920127.jpg[/img] This is what they look like. And the ammo [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/9mm_blue_simunition_with_modified_m9_pistol.jpg/548px-9mm_blue_simunition_with_modified_m9_pistol.jpg[/img] Oh lord, double post, for double the awesomeness.[/QUOTE] That would be so fun to do. The SWAT team here in our town went to the mall i worked at after it had closed and ran some hostage rescue drills. I was sad i couldn't be there for it.
Those are stock pictures I found, we used simulation guns made by glock. The first picture with the blue lower and metal upper is the training/simulation glocks. Bottom picture is just some stock photo i found that shows the bullets they use. The ones we used where the sim-glock G17 model and used a 9mm cartage. [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35353117]I realized at the range the other day that pistol shooters actually take the time to sight their targets Isn't a pistol for close range high stakes (aka if you stop to blink you die) combat? doesn't sighting completely negate that point? point shooting should be taught to everyone, it's like 20x faster and accurate enough to kill as long as the target is within 10 meters aka where 99.9% of all armed conflicts take place[/QUOTE] Target shooting and shooting in a high-stress situation (IE LIFE OR DEATH) are two different worlds. Someone may have 99% accuracy while standing in a static position shooting an non-moving target. However once a real life or death situation comes in to play and you go to use deadly force your accuracy drops and it is like 15-20% accuracy, so you're doing good if you can get one or two hits in after dumping a magazine. Stress, adrenaline dump, breathing, getting shot back at, trying to find cover, etc come in to play. You're doing a hundred things at once and within seconds. That is why people aim for center mass, higher probability of hitting.
[QUOTE=MR-X;35353127]Those are stock pictures I found, we used simulation guns made by glock. The first picture with the blue lower and metal upper is the training/simulation glocks. Bottom picture is just some stock photo i found that shows the bullets they use. The ones we used where the sim-glock G17 model and used a 9mm cartage.[/QUOTE] Ok I see the issue here, your top picture doesnt show, probably hotlink protection.
it's showing fine for me
[QUOTE=MR-X;35351791]sim-glock stuff[/QUOTE] Wait, so this is as nonlethal as, say, paintball? That's really, really fucking crazy. What a thing. Look I know the purpose of this is to simulate a high risk situation but, hell, I would love to be able to try it out. Just for the adrenaline, I mean, wow.
No they shoot each other with SIMULATION guns that fire rubber bullets trying to kill each other, man you're silly...
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;35353721]No they shoot each other with SIMULATION guns that fire rubber bullets trying to kill each other, man you're silly...[/QUOTE] I mean it was just a conversation starter...this is something that is pretty easy to infer. My fascination is with the realism of the simulation. Guess I've never thought about how they would train for situations like that, so it's new to me. Hence, wow.
We used M16's with 9mm barrels and bolts for those paint rounds for practicing urban combat in the danish army and it was pretty fun, although they malfunctioned [I]a lot.[/I] I guess that regular guns aren't exactly made for firing paint, because often the rounds would fail to load or get stuck in the chamber. At least we learned that storming a small room guarded by a guy with a fully automatic assault rifle causes casualties when you are not allowed to use grenades :V
page 57 and not a single p90/five-seven/ar57 related post :(
Our Version of Swat is not really held in high regard, a lot of military despise them, they are called ERU (Emergency response unit) but a lot of lads call them "Every Round Used". Or Guards with Guns. Quite a few botched jobs.
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