• Firearms VI - Mosin McNuggets and Tokarev Tartare
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Both Remmy and Westinghouse were actually US Mosin manufacturers, so while they both built the guns in around the same time, both on contract for Imperial Russia, Remmy wasn't the only Stateside manufacturer of Mosins.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35535330]You're talking about Century Arms as a manufacturer, not as an importer. They're fine importers. Just because Century Arms brought the gun into the country doesn't make the gun bad by association.[/QUOTE] Sorry if I expect the guys who are importing the guns and putting their name all over it to do a little quality control. If I actually have to go in an hand select the one that I feel is [b]least dangerous/ works[/b] then I don't want to buy it. Other importers like ATI and IOInc. don't have these piss poor reputations, and there's got to be a reason for it. (Oh and not too mention the customer support, or lack there of, from CAI).
Well, mine was manufactured in Tula. Looked at it and yes it was imported by CAI but there's nothing wrong with it.
I was going over the Classic Arms page... Are these guys seriously selling Mosin Nagants that cheap? Has anyone purchased from them, and can vow for quality?
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35539226]Well, mine was manufactured in Tula. Looked at it and yes it was imported by CAI but there's nothing wrong with it.[/QUOTE] Your's is a Mosin Nagant. No factory rebuilt it, let alone refurbished it. It was probably just found in a crate with fifty others and CAI laser etched it's name on it and brought it state side. Can't fuck up a laser etch (usually). It's the guns that they import that were demilitarized parts kits that got rebuilt with low quality/ incorrect parts and were then shipped over. Century's policy is if I don't see it it must be fine and when it isn't and they get phone calls from customers they go, "Not my problem." And that's why their reputation is so bad and people will always suggest avoiding them if you can.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;35539324]I was going over the Classic Arms page... Are these guys seriously selling Mosin Nagants that cheap? Has anyone purchased from them, and can vow for quality?[/QUOTE] I've heard from people that they are slow as hell to ship out what you buy from them....like, a month or longer.
Where can I buy Belgium five-seven in Canada?
I don't know, probably not, everything good is illegal in Canada.
Questar is the only importer of the PS-90 and Five-seveN, the 5-7 costs just under $2000, and the ammo they sell, special non-AP civvie rounds, have to be bought by the 2000 round crate, and it costs $1700. It's not worth it, find an Inglis Browning Hi-Power and be proud that it was made locally during WWII, and your pockets won't bleed finding ammo for it because it's 9mm.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;35539324]I was going over the Classic Arms page... Are these guys seriously selling Mosin Nagants that cheap? Has anyone purchased from them, and can vow for quality?[/QUOTE] Yeah I bought mine from them. The one I got is beautiful. I paid the extra $10 to ensure it was manufactured in Tula but I have no qualms with it. No mars on the stock or metal. Not a speck of rust. Fires wonderfully. Only issue I had was that the bayonet doesn't fit even after some grinding away at it. But that isn't really an issue. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Skullivan21;35539662]Your's is a Mosin Nagant. No factory rebuilt it, let alone refurbished it. It was probably just found in a crate with fifty others and CAI laser etched it's name on it and brought it state side. Can't fuck up a laser etch (usually). It's the guns that they import that were demilitarized parts kits that got rebuilt with low quality/ incorrect parts and were then shipped over. Century's policy is if I don't see it it must be fine and when it isn't and they get phone calls from customers they go, "Not my problem." And that's why their reputation is so bad and people will always suggest avoiding them if you can.[/QUOTE] Would an AK-MV or WASR-10 imported from Century Arms have these issues? Classic Firearms has WASR-10 wooden stock romanian AK variants for $500 and I really want to get one. I can't afford to shell out $700 or more for a rifle. Am I going to experience issues? [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;35540282]I've heard from people that they are slow as hell to ship out what you buy from them....like, a month or longer.[/QUOTE] Uhh no that's a different website. Classic Arms is fast as hell. I ordered my Mosin on a friday night, it went out early monday morning and was delivered Tuesday afternoon.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;35541285]Questar is the only importer of the PS-90 and Five-seveN, the 5-7 costs just under $2000, and the ammo they sell, special non-AP civvie rounds, have to be bought by the 2000 round crate, and it costs $1700. It's not worth it, find an Inglis Browning Hi-Power and be proud that it was made locally during WWII, and your pockets won't bleed finding ammo for it because it's 9mm.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, I want a 5-7 and I have a lot of money.
Brag about it why don't you. If I had $3700 I sure as fuck wouldn't spend it on a stupid little pistol.
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;35539099]Sorry if I expect the guys who are importing the guns and putting their name all over it to do a little quality control. If I actually have to go in an hand select the one that I feel is [b]least dangerous/ works[/b] then I don't want to buy it. Other importers like ATI and IOInc. don't have these piss poor reputations, and there's got to be a reason for it. (Oh and not too mention the customer support, or lack there of, from CAI).[/QUOTE] There's no difference from a Century Arms imported Mosin Nagant than one imported by any other company in the US, and there's no need for much quality control because the vast majority of Mosin Nagants still work fine today. Also, you don't HAVE to have one hand selected. That just increases your chance of getting a better one. You can still get a shitty one if you pay the extra ten bucks. That's just how surplus works, regardless of who imports it. You get a huge shipment in, and you don't know how many of them are going to be shitty, but with Mosin Nagants, considering most were arsenal refinished, and have been sitting in cosmoline for 60 years.
As it turns out, the 2000 rounds of 5.7x28mm is actually $1349.99 [url]https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1707&bc=no[/url] And the Five-seveN is $1599.99 [url]https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=18&bc=no[/url] Remember you need a restricted possession and acquisition license to purchase the gun, and unlike in the US where people dick about with 20-30 round mags, it's 10 rounds only for handguns here, it looks like the mags have a plastic bottom, meaning they're likely manufactured 10 rounds, not even a pinned hi-cap.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35542160]There's no difference from a Century Arms imported Mosin Nagant than one imported by any other company in the US, and there's no need for much quality control because the vast majority of Mosin Nagants still work fine today.[/QUOTE] Century Arms, now known as Century Firearms, is IIRC just a dealer not an importer. They buy the rifles from importers such as CAI and then sell them to gun store owners or individuals. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] Anyway just fired my Nagant M1895. It's a lovely revolver, almost no recoil to speak of. I think I got a strangely made model though because I've noticed these few small problems: 1- The front sight is a bit off. It fires a bit high and to the left. 2- To pull the ramrod out I have to actually unscrew the holding pin on the side of the barrel. I don't think this is right. Unless someone can give me a good reason not to I'm going to file out the end of the groove in the ramrod so that I can actually pull it out after unlocking it. 3- This is probably the bullets I fired through it rather than the M1895 itself. But the spent cartridges were really hard to get out of the cylinder. I ended up having to take the cylinder completely out and smack the ramrod with a piece of wood to get the cartridges out. I got the ammo from here: [url]http://www.rguns.net/ammo.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35542401]Century Arms, now known as Century Firearms, is IIRC just a dealer not an importer. They buy the rifles from importers such as CAI and then sell them to gun store owners or individuals. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] Anyway just fired my Nagant M1895. It's a lovely revolver, almost no recoil to speak of. I think I got a strangely made model though because I've noticed these few small problems: 1- The front sight is a bit off. It fires a bit high and to the left. 2- To pull the ramrod out I have to actually unscrew the holding pin on the side of the barrel. I don't think this is right. Unless someone can give me a good reason not to I'm going to file out the end of the groove in the ramrod so that I can actually pull it out after unlocking it. 3- This is probably the bullets I fired through it rather than the M1895 itself. But the spent cartridges were really hard to get out of the cylinder. I ended up having to take the cylinder completely out and smack the ramrod with a piece of wood to get the cartridges out. I got the ammo from here: [url]http://www.rguns.net/ammo.shtml[/url][/QUOTE] CAI is one of the largest importers in the US. CAI stands for Century Arms International. It's the same company.
Goddamnit I keep getting Century Arms and Classic Arms confused. Sorry. Classic Arms is the dealer I'm talking about.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35542401]Century Arms, now known as Century Firearms, is IIRC just a dealer not an importer. They buy the rifles from importers such as CAI and then sell them to gun store owners or individuals. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] Anyway just fired my Nagant M1895. It's a lovely revolver, almost no recoil to speak of. I think I got a strangely made model though because I've noticed these few small problems: 1- The front sight is a bit off. It fires a bit high and to the left. 2- To pull the ramrod out I have to actually unscrew the holding pin on the side of the barrel. I don't think this is right. Unless someone can give me a good reason not to I'm going to file out the end of the groove in the ramrod so that I can actually pull it out after unlocking it. 3- This is probably the bullets I fired through it rather than the M1895 itself. But the spent cartridges were really hard to get out of the cylinder. I ended up having to take the cylinder completely out and smack the ramrod with a piece of wood to get the cartridges out. I got the ammo from here: [url]http://www.rguns.net/ammo.shtml[/url][/QUOTE] The gun was man-handled so the extractor rod is bent. That's why it is not working. Never "play" with a revolver. It ruins the ram rod, cylinder, and a few other parts faster.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35542160]There's no difference from a Century Arms imported Mosin Nagant than one imported by any other company in the US, and there's no need for much quality control because the vast majority of Mosin Nagants still work fine today. Also, you don't HAVE to have one hand selected. That just increases your chance of getting a better one. You can still get a shitty one if you pay the extra ten bucks. That's just how surplus works, regardless of who imports it. You get a huge shipment in, and you don't know how many of them are going to be shitty, but with Mosin Nagants, considering most were arsenal refinished, and have been sitting in cosmoline for 60 years.[/QUOTE] Your missing my point (Well technically your restating my point then expanding in another direction). I agree that a mosin is a mosin is a mosin. But that was never my point, my point was that guns brought over by CAI including their Tantals, WASR's, and CETME's were not quality pieces. These guns were built of kits using improper parts in unsafe ways. Then they dropped the ball on the quality control. When people bought these guns they could be pretty good, or they could be as bad as holding a live grenade. Then when people started to contact them with issues CAI wouldn't do much, and what they did do would take a considerable amount of time. My over all point this entire time has been: [b]Avoid fire arms with Century Arms stamped on them. If you really can't get over the price or something understand that there QC is below sub par, and your taking a real risk. As far as I'm concerned a gun is not a toy, if it is not put together right it won't just break and get you mad cause you wasted some cash, if a gun isn't working properly it could put your life in danger. So just be careful.[/b]
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;35542988]The gun was man-handled so the extractor rod is bent. That's why it is not working. Never "play" with a revolver. It ruins the ram rod, cylinder, and a few other parts faster.[/QUOTE] Uhh... no. The ramrod isn't bent at all. It's perfectly straight. I made sure of that. The issue is that the groove in the ramrod that keeps it in place doesn't extend all the way to the end of the rod. There's a piece of metal at the end that is keeping the sliding lock from allowing the ramrod to slide out all the way. Also where is this play thing coming from? I fired it six times and then ejected the shells. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Skullivan21;35543259]Your missing my point (Well technically your restating my point then expanding in another direction). I agree that a mosin is a mosin is a mosin. But that was never my point, my point was that guns brought over by CAI including their Tantals, WASR's, and CETME's were not quality pieces. These guns were built of kits using improper parts in unsafe ways. Then they dropped the ball on the quality control. When people bought these guns they could be pretty good, or they could be as bad as holding a live grenade. Then when people started to contact them with issues CAI wouldn't do much, and what they did do would take a considerable amount of time. My over all point this entire time has been: [b]Avoid fire arms with Century Arms stamped on them. If you really can't get over the price or something understand that there QC is below sub par, and your taking a real risk. As far as I'm concerned a gun is not a toy, if it is not put together right it won't just break and get you mad cause you wasted some cash, if a gun isn't working properly it could put your life in danger. So just be careful.[/b][/QUOTE] If you're going to insist that I avoid Century Arms then could you kindly provide me with dealers you would recommend to get an AK from that isn't going to cost more than $600?
[QUOTE=Skullivan21;35543259]Your missing my point (Well technically your restating my point then expanding in another direction). I agree that a mosin is a mosin is a mosin. But that was never my point, my point was that guns brought over by CAI including their Tantals, WASR's, and CETME's were not quality pieces. These guns were built of kits using improper parts in unsafe ways. Then they dropped the ball on the quality control. When people bought these guns they could be pretty good, or they could be as bad as holding a live grenade. Then when people started to contact them with issues CAI wouldn't do much, and what they did do would take a considerable amount of time. My over all point this entire time has been: [b]Avoid fire arms with Century Arms stamped on them. If you really can't get over the price or something understand that there QC is below sub par, and your taking a real risk. As far as I'm concerned a gun is not a toy, if it is not put together right it won't just break and get you mad cause you wasted some cash, if a gun isn't working properly it could put your life in danger. So just be careful.[/b][/QUOTE] The Tantals, WASR's and CETME's were built by CAI. That's why they suck, because CAI sucks at building them. Seriously, the guns they import are the same guns everyone else imports. There is no such thing as quality control in surplus firearms that are not built within the US. You get what you get. Avoid Century Arms' AK's, CETMEs, FALs and AR's, they suck. Basically anything that they build, avoid, but if it's a Mosin Nagant or other imported rifle that has CAI stamped on it, it's fine. All I'm saying is that you're labeling a metric assload of guns as "shit", just because they were brought into the country by CAI. If they were built by CAI, then yeah I'd agree with you, but most of the guns that CAI deals in they don't build, they just import and distribute. These guns are perfectly fine and are no different than guns imported by anyone else. All surplus guns should be inspected before being fired, however.
They're generally just put together wonky. Break down and rebuild and you've got a quality firearm.
Yeah if you break it down to individual components, reseat the barrel, redo all the rivets and make sure everything is put together snugly with the right parts. But if you're going to do that, you might as well have just built the gun yourself. Now I know I bitch about CAI a lot, but not all their guns are terrible. As long as the gun is inspected and found to be in good condition and put together well, they can be very nice rifles. Never buy a CAI without having it inspected first though. Check the headspace, check for anything that's loose, check the rivets, the alignment of the sights, everything. If it all checks out, you're probably good to go. There isn't much else in the way of fucking things up one can do that isn't misalignment, poor headspace or in the case of some of the older Tantals, improper barrels.
[QUOTE=jaredop;35534237]What part of NH?[/QUOTE] Derry.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35543408]Century is absolute shit and you should steer clear of them. I don't care if you're a cheapskate and can't afford to pay $100 more for a rifle that won't blow up. End of discussion.[/QUOTE] I'm not a cheapskate I'm fucking [i]poor[/i] I'm BELOW the poverty line. And unfortunately, unlike some people [sp]Prussel[/sp] I don't randomly have several thousand dollars laying around. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] Besides doesn't even matter the AK-47 (WASR-10 variant) I'm looking at isn't a rebuild or a kit or anything. It was manufactured in Cugir, Romania. So nothing to worry about with that.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35544737]I'm not a cheapskate I'm fucking [i]poor[/i] I'm BELOW the poverty line. And unfortunately, unlike some people [sp]Prussel[/sp] I don't randomly have several thousand dollars laying around.[/QUOTE] there are things you should never cheap out on. Drive a shit car or use a shit computer all you want, live in a small house or ditch central heating and put window units in your house. Shooting a poorly built or maintained rifle could end your life.
Most problems with Century's WASRs can be solved with a rubber mallet. Plus, not all their weapons are the steamy pile of manure that everyone describes: the 10/63 is actually a fine AK platform, most Tantals do their job without complaining, etc. Just inspect your rifle before you buy it, check the sights, the mag etc and bam, cheap working AK.
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[QUOTE=Desert Rat;35546281]Does anyone happen to know the specific name of this camouflage design? [img]http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/box_o_crayons/BHDM14-1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] stripes
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