[QUOTE=download;35604749]EMPs only fry microelectronics, that's why Russian fighter jets used valves up until the 1980s as nuclear proofing. Apparently American scientists where stunned when a Russian MiG defected to Japan in the 70s and found the jet was running valves[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure an EMP won't take out a Jet unless the Jet was damaged by the explosion.
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;35604816]I'm pretty sure an EMP won't take out a Jet unless the Jet was damaged by the explosion.[/QUOTE]
The EMP would fuck the electronics.... What do you think will happen?
[QUOTE=download;35604905]The EMP would fuck the electronics.... What do you think will happen?[/QUOTE]
I thought it didn't affect things that weren't plugged into the electrical grid ie it doesn't fry stuff in the air, or a red dot sight.
Then again I am starting to realize my cousin is a fat idiot that prolly read some bullshit about this, I'll read up before posting. Sorry.
[QUOTE=download;35604905]The EMP would fuck the electronics.... What do you think will happen?[/QUOTE]
you guys know that electronics can be hardened against emp right?
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i forget what it's called but it's definitely not called "emp-proofing"
it's a more technical sounding name.
faraday cage
Cripes, considering the number of FP'ers that own guns, we could create our own goddamn army come the apocalypse or something :v:
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35604988]Cripes, considering the number of FP'ers that own guns, we could create our own goddamn army come the apocalypse or something :v:[/QUOTE]
if we paired up with /k/ maybe
then again we all browse /k/ anyway
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;35604955]you guys know that electronics can be hardened against emp right?
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i forget what it's called but it's definitely not called "emp-proofing"
it's a more technical sounding name.[/QUOTE]
EMP hardening. Either way, you can't completely shield anything from EMP, and it becomes harder when you can't ground something, i.e. aircraft
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;35604922]I thought it didn't affect things that weren't plugged into the electrical grid ie it doesn't fry stuff in the air, or a red dot sight.
Then again I am starting to realize my cousin is a fat idiot that prolly read some bullshit about this, I'll read up before posting. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
but in cod emp turned off red dot sight
In cod you take down a hind with a suppressed M21.
I tried dual wielding revolvers. It's a bit harder to aim, and pulling the hammer back on both of them is tricky, but it was surprisingly plausible.
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Reloading is impossible though.
Mount moon clips in belt facing downwards, use magic for the rest.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35604988]Cripes, considering the number of FP'ers that own guns, we could create our own goddamn army come the apocalypse or something :v:[/QUOTE]
Fantastic idea until you realize we span the country and even the globe. I think there's one other FPer(at least in the firearms thread) in florida, then I dunno the next nearest from that.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35604992]if we paired up with /k/ maybe
then again we all browse /k/ anyway[/QUOTE]
Haha
No.
Fuck /k/
[QUOTE=Ridge;35603666]EMPs will only fry complex circuits. They are static charges. Batteries and spark plugs will not be damaged by static buildup. His solenoid is the greatest danger. And you can always store another in a Faraday cage.[/QUOTE]
Naw the battery would be dead as fuck too. You'd have to replace that AND the solenoid starter first. And there's still a risk that the spark plugs will also stop working since they're attached to the battery and some feedback might occur.
It's also very possible that he'd have to hotwire it. The circuitry between the ignition switch and the starter could also be fried
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[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;35603693]what's better? a hind or an apache?[/QUOTE]
The Apache has missiles, rockets, and an autocannon. What do you think
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;35603932]Different roles.
But if the SHTF in the US, you're more likely to face an Apache assuming the remaining US govt would probably use them for CAS and Area-Denial.
That being said, good luck taking them out with anything short of a 40mm cannon, or a anti-air missile.
If i remember right the glass and cockpit of the Apache are rated up to 20mm fire. And with the twin engines they can take a few hits outside of the cockpit.
Hinds are pretty awesome too though.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it possible to get a 40mm Bofors? Since it's technically semi-automatic? Or no?
I know someone's going to hate me for bringing this up but FPSRussia got a Bofors. How the fuck did he do that?
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35607513]Naw the battery would be dead as fuck too. You'd have to replace that AND the solenoid starter first. And there's still a risk that the spark plugs will also stop working since they're attached to the battery and some feedback might occur.
It's also very possible that he'd have to hotwire it. The circuitry between the ignition switch and the starter could also be fried[/QUOTE]
It's only static buildup. Why would that drain the battery? And it won't damage straight up electrical wiring. It's very purpose is to transmit electricity.
[QUOTE=download;35604749]EMPs only fry microelectronics, that's why Russian fighter jets used valves up until the 1980s as nuclear proofing. Apparently American scientists where stunned when a Russian MiG defected to Japan in the 70s and found the jet was running valves[/QUOTE]
What the hell is with Russians and innovation? They sure like to surprise people by pretending to be Drunken morons and then coming out with cool shit.
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[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35604992]if we paired up with /k/ maybe
then again we all browse /k/ anyway[/QUOTE]
I don't.
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[QUOTE=Ridge;35607585]It's only static buildup. Why would that drain the battery? And it won't damage straight up electrical wiring. It's very purpose is to transmit electricity.[/QUOTE]
Electromagnetic Pulses create a current and voltage surge. If you put that much energy into a car battery or spark plugs it's going to get wrecked.
IIRC you can recharge the car battery but you WOULD need to replace the spark plugs, ONLY because they'd have been hooked up to the system at the time the EMP hit. Spark plugs not part of a system/circuit would be undamaged.
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[QUOTE=capgun;35606645]Fantastic idea until you realize we span the country and even the globe. I think there's one other FPer(at least in the firearms thread) in florida, then I dunno the next nearest from that.[/QUOTE]
Oh that's me! I live in Florida!
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35607593]What the hell is with Russians and innovation? They sure like to surprise people by pretending to be Drunken morons and then coming out with cool shit.
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I don't.
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Electromagnetic Pulses create a current and voltage surge. If you put that much energy into a car battery or spark plugs it's going to get wrecked.
IIRC you can recharge the car battery but you WOULD need to replace the spark plugs, ONLY because they'd have been hooked up to the system at the time the EMP hit. Spark plugs not part of a system/circuit would be undamaged.
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Oh that's me! I live in Florida![/QUOTE]
You obviously have no clue what you are saying
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35607720]It annoys me to no end that absolutely no american companies can ship stuff internationally
I want to get some clips for my Nagant but NOOO international shipping is impossible because HURR YUROP HAS GUN LAWZ.[/QUOTE]
Actually the US Government has pretty much banned US companies or individuals from selling and shipping gun parts outside the country due to a risk that they end up in the hands of the people we are fighting. You need a special export license to do it.
Only the government can ship weapons to people that use them against US soldiers.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35607513]Naw the battery would be dead as fuck too. You'd have to replace that AND the solenoid starter first. And there's still a risk that the spark plugs will also stop working since they're attached to the battery and some feedback might occur.
It's also very possible that he'd have to hotwire it. The circuitry between the ignition switch and the starter could also be fried
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The Apache has missiles, rockets, and an autocannon. What do you think[/QUOTE]
The Hind has all those things too. And it can carry bombs.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35607720]It annoys me to no end that absolutely no american companies can ship stuff internationally
I want to get some clips for my Nagant but NOOO international shipping is impossible because HURR YUROP HAS GUN LAWZ.[/QUOTE]
You don't want American made stripper clips for Mosins anyway. They suck. Buy surplus ones. You should be able to find those in Europe
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35607570]Isn't it possible to get a 40mm Bofors? Since it's technically semi-automatic? Or no?
I know someone's going to hate me for bringing this up but FPSRussia got a Bofors. How the fuck did he do that?[/QUOTE]
If i remember right they are totally civillian legal to own. I mean, even uptight gun-law makers probably can't find a scenario where in their minds it seems totally possible for someone to sneak a 40mm Bofors AA system somewhere and start making trouble.
That said, they are the older ones that you would have to hand crank for traverse and elevation, so they wouldn't be too threatening to anything in the air unless they were manned by some really good people, and hidden off to the side of rear of an attacking air group.
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;35607819]If i remember right they are totally civillian legal to own. I mean, even uptight gun-law makers probably can't find a scenario where in their minds it seems totally possible for someone to sneak a 40mm Bofors AA system somewhere and start making trouble.
That said, they are the older ones that you would have to hand crank for traverse and elevation, so they wouldn't be too threatening to anything in the air unless they were manned by some really good people, and hidden off to the side of rear of an attacking air group.[/QUOTE]
IIRC can't you hook up a motor to turn the crank with a switch system pretty easily?
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[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;35607801]The Hind has all those things too. And it can carry bombs.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I get the Hind and the Black Hawk confused. I don't know why but whenever I hear "Hind" I think "Utility Helicopter"
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;35604392]yeah i dunno it might have been some dumbass who i was talking to.. but i remember a conversation i had a while after i saw some documentary that totally sucked the apache's dick off basically saying it's a flying tank weapons platform.
the guy said that the hind is completely superior to the apache. it's not like he changed my mind, i knew the apache was pretty badass but i knew jack shit about the hind.
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and how the fuck do ejection systems work in helicopters...[/QUOTE]
The only one i know that has the ejection system is the KA-52, and it just uses small charges to blast the rotors off before ejecting the seat out.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvKDYJAVfd0[/url]
Sorry i couldn't find a better clip, i thought there might be a real one from a test or something.
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Also, just looked back. Clocks for me.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35607855]IIRC can't you hook up a motor to turn the crank with a switch system pretty easily?[/QUOTE]
In the US, electric triggers are illegal because they can fire faster than a human pulling the trigger.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35607855]IIRC can't you hook up a motor to turn the crank with a switch system pretty easily?
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Sorry I get the Hind and the Black Hawk confused. I don't know why but whenever I hear "Hind" I think "Utility Helicopter"[/QUOTE]
I bet you could.
For the most part the hind is like a heavy attack helicopter, that also can carry 8 troops inside if needed. But it's still a pretty solid attack helicopter.
It just does it in different style than the US is used to. Our attack helicopters creep around using the terrain to stay behind and pop up, fire a few missiles, then disappear.
Hinds use the terrain for masking, but only to establish a path to the enemy and then come flying in at high speeds and use missiles and rockets on a high speed pass to limit their being hit since they don't have the same stand off capabilities that the Apache does.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35607925]In the US, electric triggers are illegal because they can fire faster than a human pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE]
So you don't let them know you're doing it. Not that hard.
It's not like the ATF randomly drops in and inspects shit. Though if you have a BOFORS they probably would.
So just keep the motor system off of the weapon until you need it.
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