Occupation of the United States - General

local militias are just another name for gun clubs.

[QUOTE=Carnotite;17455462]Although it was brought up patrolling built up areas with a tank or attack chopper is a bad idea or rather difficult. You have to assume they won't use those copters and tanks to just wreck your city, and try killing enough of the grunts on the ground the invading nation's public becomes tired of the war... Or something like that.[/QUOTE] Plus you have to move not only the vehicles, but the maintance parts, the ammunition, the fuel, the people, the food to feed those people, supplies to keep those people in top shape, and so forth. It's not a simple computer game where you click a group of soldiers, say, "attack here", and win an area with 80% losses and them with out reloading weapons. [editline]07:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;17455521]local militias are just another name for gun clubs.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they'd give an occupying army a pain in their side for atleast a while. After time, I would predict that they'd come to be more organized and become an even bigger headache.

There's a working WWII tank about 20 minutes away from me sitting at a Veterans place thing. I know it wouldn't stand up to a T-90 or a Type-99, but it'd be better than a bunch of ganstas from Detroit and drunken UP rednecks.

[QUOTE=DPennington;17455498]Shit, we have a militia in Michigan? Oh, wait, virtually defunct since 2000. Oh well.[/QUOTE] The official militia is any male from the ages of 17-45. You're in it whether you like it or not.

[img]http://home.epix.net/~damguy/695-deer.jpg[/img] Mossberg 695, .72 caliber slug gun Fat load of good your body armor will do you. I love mine. :3:

[QUOTE=DPennington;17455552]There's a working WWII tank about 20 minutes away from me sitting at a Veterans place thing. I know it wouldn't stand up to a T-90 or a Type-99, but it'd be better than a bunch of ganstas from Detroit and drunken UP rednecks.[/QUOTE] What if it was driven by rednecks!?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17455525]Plus you have to move not only the vehicles, but the maintance parts, the ammunition, the fuel, the people, the food to feed those people, supplies to keep those people in top shape, and so forth. It's not a simple computer game where you click a group of soldiers, say, "attack here", and win an area with 80% losses and them with out reloading weapons. [editline]07:32PM[/editline] I'm sure they'd give an occupying army a pain in their side for atleast a while. After time, I would predict that they'd come to be more organized and become an even bigger headache.[/QUOTE] If they are militias, wouldn't they be fighting before the country was occupied? In which case they would most likely not win to any trained military.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17455567]The official militia is any male from the ages of 17-45. You're in it whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE] Not yet I ain't, but I'd proudly be. I love my state. Too bad I'd probably turn over to the Chinese if they invaded and made it here. Sorry comrade, but we'd probably be exchanging fire.

[QUOTE=DPennington;17455552]There's a working WWII tank about 20 minutes away from me sitting at a Veterans place thing. I know it wouldn't stand up to a T-90 or a Type-99, but it'd be better than a bunch of ganstas from Detroit and drunken UP rednecks.[/QUOTE] You know how to drive a tank with six pedals, where to get the ammo and how to load & fire? Shermans were built when tanks were anti-personel, where as now they're more anti-armor. Today's tanks can hit a moving target, while moving themselves. A sherman must stop, aim, fire, reload, reaim, fire, etc.

[QUOTE=orbitrek;17455581]What if it was driven by rednecks!?[/QUOTE] Even better, they have a blatant disregard for their own safety.

Do they even make .30 cal ammo and 75mm rounds anymore?

[QUOTE=Ishmael12;17455197]What about the mid-west[/QUOTE] Chicago

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17455613]You know how to drive a tank with six pedals, where to get the ammo and how to load & fire? Shermans were built when tanks were anti-personel, where as now they're more anti-armor. Today's tanks can hit a moving target, while moving themselves. A sherman must stop, aim, fire, reload, reaim, fire, etc.[/QUOTE] Couldn't drive it, but some of those Veterans possibly could, and if all else fails, it'd make a nice roadblock/piece of cover/mobile command base/giant hunk of shrapnel.

[QUOTE=Crypto;17454127]Alright I was sitting in class today and my one of my teach that teachers that teaches military tactics and what not that was taught and what was taught during the wars and current ongoing war. [/QUOTE] What the fuck are you saying.

Too bad we have something called NATO.

[QUOTE=AegisÂ°;17455649]Too bad we have something called NATO.[/QUOTE] Too bad they have something called the SCO.

Too bad we have something called the UN :smug: or not

[QUOTE=Conscript;17455682]Too bad we have something called the UN :smug: or not[/QUOTE] What are the UN going to do? China and Russia both have permanent seats and can't do shit military wise.

[QUOTE=Conscript;17455682]Too bad we have something called the UN :smug: or not[/QUOTE] The UN is full of peace-loving pussies.

hence 'or not'

The U.S. government has the power to make every able bodied man between the age of 17 to 45 a member of the militia. The Confederates did it near the end of the civil war. Fun fact.

[QUOTE=DPennington;17455641]Couldn't drive it, but some of those Veterans possibly could, and if all else fails, it'd make a nice roadblock/piece of cover/mobile command base/giant hunk of shrapnel.[/QUOTE] The first thing an occupying force would do is limit the amount of fuel the civilians can have. [editline]07:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lulzbocks;17455726]The U.S. government has the power to make every able bodied man between the age of 17 to 45 a member of the militia. The Confederates did it near the end of the civil war.[/QUOTE] And the Nazis at the end of WWII. [editline]07:44PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DPennington;17455601]Not yet I ain't, but I'd proudly be. I love my state. Too bad I'd probably turn over to the Chinese if they invaded and made it here. Sorry comrade, but we'd probably be exchanging fire.[/QUOTE] You would turn over to the Chinese? Why the flying fuck are you in the US now then? [editline]07:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=AegisÂ°;17455649]Too bad we have something called NATO.[/QUOTE] The US is the biggest supporter of NATO, are you sure they'd stick with us seeing their biggest, toughest member being invaded? [editline]07:46PM[/editline] Where'd my unfortunate gay lover Thisispain go? He stopped posting :confused:

I think that the only way to "Successfully" occupy a country, is well... pretty much destruction of the original population. Simply keeping civilians under control would not provide sufficient control over area. Yes, that is barbaric - but ultimately the most effective way. [QUOTE={FP}ST;17455575][img]http://home.epix.net/~damguy/695-deer.jpg[/img] Mossberg 695, .72 caliber slug gun Fat load of good your body armor will do you. I love mine. :3:[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Svd_1_russian.jpg[/img] Any armed militia would be simply picked of, if found. Pew-pew. Actually any military-grade snipers would take you down. Of course, this is me using the good ol' "Evil Russian" scenario (although it could be any other country as well). Anyway, we just take Alaska. You can keep the rest.

[QUOTE=gufu;17455803]I think that the only way to "Successfully" occupy a country, is well... pretty much destruction of the original population. Simply keeping civilians under control would not provide sufficient control over area. Yes, that is barbaric - but ultimately the most effective way.[/QUOTE] Probably not complete destruction, just enough where there isn't enough to really be concerned about. But why kill them, when you can put them into work camps? :fuckyou:

If a Chinese/Russian invasion the west occurred, which seems most likely, or alternately a Chinese Western invasion and Russian Eastern, then they'd be hitting the hard parts first. A western invasion would easily topple Alaska, with a low population density, few major cities and isolated from the rest of the US. Taking Hawaii may be a hard task considering the naval and air power we have stationed there, and it would obviously let us know before hand about the invasion. Assuming a conjoined southern movement from the north by the Ruskies and a naval landing and air invasion on the west coast, the groups wouldn't meet up for several weeks. Taking California and Washington would be a hell of a task. Urban warfare the likes of which no major war has seen before. If San Fran and LA fall, then the rest of the major cities would likely topple easier. Take western CA, take CA in total. Once you take out Cali, Oregon and Washington, you could easily take Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and New Mexico, possibly with some resistance in forested Idaho. Our best bet by that point would be to hold them off in the Rockies to block their advance. We'd have a good shot of stopping them there. Assuming that we don't, though, the Rocky Mountain states would easily topple. Some major combat int he open land of the breadbasket that would provide easy invader victory. Texas would hold out for a while, as would the deep south. Wisconsin and northern Michigan would fall easy. From this point on, you're fighting alot of gun wielding rednecks, gangstas and a fucking huge concentration of military in a larger compaction of cities. Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana might not be much of a challenge, but I have little doubt the rest could be easily taken. At that point there's too many factors to consider as to make a reliable guess if any of it is takable.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17455824]Probably not complete destruction, just enough where there isn't enough to really be concerned about. But why kill them, when you can put them into work camps? :fuckyou:[/QUOTE] Why? Work camps will not prove themselves efficient in todays world. Mass-production made such things obsolete. Beside, many countries have huge stockpiles of weapons, so overproduction is no needed. Also Soylent Green!

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17455727] You would turn over to the Chinese? Why the flying fuck are you in the US now then? [/QUOTE] Cause I don't speak Chinese and don't like them all that much, but I'd side with those who I'd think would probably be victorious. And plus, I was born in America and plan to move to Canada anyhow. China isn't even on my list of optional places to relocate.

I fail to see why everybody is scared shitless when it comes to the Chinese.

[QUOTE=DPennington;17455847] From this point on, you're fighting alot of gun wielding rednecks, gangstas and a fucking huge concentration of military in a larger compaction of cities. Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana might not be much of a challenge, but I have little doubt the rest could be easily taken. At that point there's too many factores to consider as to make a reliable guess it any of it is takable.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon[/url] Just use it on anything that resists. Any military resistance would be wiped out. [QUOTE=AegisÂ°;17455903]I fail to see why everybody is scared shitless when it comes to the Chinese.[/QUOTE] There goes the entire civilian economy. But there goes their economy as well. It is a fail-fail situation.

[QUOTE=AegisÂ°;17455903]I fail to see why everybody is scared shitless when it comes to the Chinese.[/QUOTE] The US is the world hyperpower, they're the top superpower. They have a huge military, they're modernized, and they aren't real friendly to us. And Americans already have a distaste for them buying us out. On top of all that, they're "Commies". They're the USSR of the modern day. If it was for the global War on Terror, chances are we'd be at each others' throats by now instead of in an uneasy friendship. [editline]12:56AM[/editline] [QUOTE=gufu;17455912][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon[/url] Just use it on anything that resists. Any military resistance would be wiped out. [/QUOTE] No one in the right mind would use nukes on their own territory and risk killing their own population. Besides me, that is. Unless as a final, last ditch effort that would change the tide of war.