Hey the size of America's dick is 85% military strength. We WILL NOT lose a conventional war. That said our economy/government/coastline/union might collapse but WE WILL NOT BE INVADED
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[QUOTE=DPennington;17455939]
No one in the right mind would use nukes on their own territory and risk killing their own population. Besides me, that is. Unless as a final, last ditch effort that would change the tide of war.[/QUOTE]
Tactical nukes are actually pretty efficient. They don't fuck up the large areas that much. And since you are invading, you can just nuke the large concentration of enemies, and move on. That is how Europe was supposed to be took over. Zerg rush to fortify around major cities + nuclear barrage of all military bases.
[QUOTE=gufu;17455912]
There goes the entire civilian economy. But there goes their economy as well. It is a fail-fail situation.[/QUOTE]
And it's only fail-fail if the Chinese don't succeed. If they manage to occupy America and take control, they would basically rule the world market and control the largest amount of land of any nation. Add it in with the military benefits and the R&D they'd get in 20 years' time, and they'd be the world hyperpower. If they don't succeed, then yes, it's a lose-lose. But if we do a whole cold war, two seperate world economies thing like we had with the USSR, then neither would overall be effected as badly, especially if there was an arms build up.
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DC would never fall to conventional warfare as it would be the top defense priority. You'd probably have to nuke the place multiple times and at key spots, like the Pentagon. If DC were to fall though you'd pretty much have taken out the entire country.
[QUOTE=DPennington;17455847]If a Chinese/Russian invasion the west occurred, which seems most likely, or alternately a Chinese Western invasion and Russian Eastern, then they'd be hitting the hard parts first. A western invasion would easily topple Alaska, with a low population density, few major cities and isolated from the rest of the US.
Taking Hawaii may be a hard task considering the naval and air power we have stationed there, and it would obviously let us know before hand about the invasion. Assuming a conjoined southern movement from the north by the Ruskies and a naval landing and air invasion on the west coast, the groups wouldn't meet up for several weeks.
Taking California and Washington would be a hell of a task. Urban warfare the likes of which no major war has seen before. If San Fran and LA fall, then the rest of the major cities would likely topple easier. Take western CA, take CA in total. Once you take out Cali, Oregon and Washington, you could easily take Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and New Mexico, possibly with some resistance in forested Idaho.
Our best bet by that point would be to hold them off in the Rockies to block their advance. We'd have a good shot of stopping them there. Assuming that we don't, though, the Rocky Mountain states would easily topple. Some major combat int he open land of the breadbasket that would provide easy invader victory. Texas would hold out for a while, as would the deep south. Wisconsin and northern Michigan would fall easy.
From this point on, you're fighting alot of gun wielding rednecks, gangstas and a fucking huge concentration of military in a larger compaction of cities. Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana might not be much of a challenge, but I have little doubt the rest could be easily taken. At that point there's too many factors to consider as to make a reliable guess if any of it is takable.[/QUOTE]
I doubt Alaska would even be a concern for a westward invading nation.
Rednecks, I can see fighting them off, but gangsters? They're mostly concerned with their own well-being, I'm guessing they'd turn tail and wait for the front lines to go away to restart business.
Also, taking gay-loving San Fran and LA would probably take care of most of coastal Cali, but the eastern side of the state is heavily mountainous, I think there would be a harder fight there.
[QUOTE=Jewsus;17455982]Hey the size of America's dick is 85% military strength. We WILL NOT lose a conventional war. That said our economy/government/coastline/union might collapse but WE WILL NOT BE INVADED
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China has the world's largest army. Throw in the other nations of the SCO and North Korea, you have the world's First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth largest militaries against the world's second. We're the most technologically advanced on the battlefield, no doubt, and we probably have the best nuclear arsenal, but it won't do much if we're hit with a million more troops than we have all at once.
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;17456033]DC would never fall to conventional warfare as it would be the top defense priority. You'd probably have to nuke the place multiple times and at key spots, like the Pentagon. If DC were to fall though you'd pretty much have taken out the entire country.[/QUOTE]
DC is only federal. The United States still has their individual State Governments.
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;17456033]DC would never fall to conventional warfare as it would be the top defense priority. You'd probably have to nuke the place multiple times and at key spots, like the Pentagon. If DC were to fall though you'd pretty much have taken out the entire country.[/QUOTE]
DC would most likely be immediatly evacuated once a ground invasion goes into the works.
[QUOTE=DPennington;17456012]And it's only fail-fail if the Chinese don't succeed. If they manage to occupy America and take control, they would basically rule the world market and control the largest amount of land of any nation. Add it in with the military benefits and the R&D they'd get in 20 years' time, and they'd be the world hyperpower. If they don't succeed, then yes, it's a lose-lose. But if we do a whole cold war, two seperate world economies thing like we had with the USSR, then neither would overall be effected as badly, especially if there was an arms build up.[/QUOTE]
Okay you are idiot
China does not have the technology to fight [I]Iran[/I]. They would lose that war. They have a lot of people and money but in the age of Fighter jets that can knock out an entire tank column with one smart munition no one can compete with the US until they catch up technologically. You forget what we spent all that money we borrowed from china ON.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;17456070]DC is only federal. The United States still has their individual State Governments.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, we're not like socialist Europe with every nation under one, single central authority.
Federalism bitch.
[QUOTE=DPennington;17456069]China has the world's largest army. Throw in the other nations of the SCO and North Korea, you have the world's First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth largest militaries against the world's second. We're the most technologically advanced on the battlefield, no doubt, and we probably have the best nuclear arsenal, but it won't do much if we're hit with a million more troops than we have all at once.[/QUOTE]
The amount of training a regular soldier gets is very minimal in China. They simply don't have the resources to maintain such an army , and is actually planning to reduce the size.
[QUOTE=Jewsus;17456117]Okay you are idiot
China does not have the technology to fight [I]Iran[/I]. They would lose that war. They have a lot of people and money but in the age of Fighter jets that can knock out an entire tank column with one smart munition no one can compete with the US until they catch up technologically. You forget what we spent all that money we borrowed from china ON.[/QUOTE]
Would an group of tanks even be dumb enough to travel in a column in this day in age?
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Okay, everyone, we're not talking about if China can or would invade, or any nation for that matter. We're talking about what would happen if the United States homeland was invaded by a foreign force unspecified. :redhammer:
[QUOTE=DPennington;17456069]China has the world's largest army. Throw in the other nations of the SCO and North Korea, you have the world's First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth largest militaries against the world's second. We're the most technologically advanced on the battlefield, no doubt, and we probably have the best nuclear arsenal, but it won't do much if we're hit with a million more troops than we have all at once.[/QUOTE]
Large does not mean well armed and well trained
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[QUOTE=Jewsus;17456117]Okay you are idiot
China does not have the technology to fight [I]Iran[/I]. They would lose that war. They have a lot of people and money but in the age of Fighter jets that can knock out an entire tank column with one smart munition no one can compete with the US until they catch up technologically. You forget what we spent all that money we borrowed from china ON.[/QUOTE]
And that's why the Guerrilla forces are knocking us up, just like Vietnam.
Holy shit, it's like a deja vu
[QUOTE=Jewsus;17456117]Okay you are idiot
China does not have the technology to fight [I]Iran[/I]. They would lose that war. They have a lot of people and money but in the age of Fighter jets that can knock out an entire tank column with one smart munition no one can compete with the US until they catch up technologically. You forget what we spent all that money we borrowed from china ON.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that they aren't just some 2nd rate nation anymore? We're talking moderately trained troops, and tanks that are almost close to ours in strength, as well as a fuckton of Russian-donated/aided technology. China has tech and troops. I've said we have technology better than anyone else in war, and it's true. No one's close to us in aircraft, we're top notch in arms and our tanks are the best of any nation's. But they outnumber us ground wise by a million and have enough tanks to match us. We can't even properly take down a smaller scale insurgency right, how do you expect us to combat a force that matches, nay, surpasses us in tanks, artillery, vehicles, troops, and arms?
[QUOTE=Jewsus;17456117]Okay you are idiot
China does not have the technology to fight [I]Iran[/I].[/QUOTE]
I guess those second generation Zulfiqar tanks (basically the equal of upgraded T-72s) will totally own a Chinese armored company of Type 99's (basically a T-80 mixed with a Leopard 2), amirite?
I wonder what the PLA would do to overseas Chinese in North America...
[QUOTE=DPennington;17456217]We can't even properly take down a smaller scale insurgency right, how do you expect us to combat a force that matches, nay, surpasses us in tanks, artillery, vehicles, troops, and arms?[/QUOTE]
Two totally different things.
[QUOTE=DPennington;17456217]You do realize that they aren't just some 2nd rate nation anymore? We're talking moderately trained troops, and tanks that are almost close to ours in strength, as well as a fuckton of Russian-donated/aided technology. China has tech and troops. I've said we have technology better than anyone else in war, and it's true. No one's close to us in aircraft, we're top notch in arms and our tanks are the best of any nation's. But they outnumber us ground wise by a million and have enough tanks to match us. We can't even properly take down a smaller scale insurgency right, how do you expect us to combat a force that matches, nay, surpasses us in tanks, artillery, vehicles, troops, and arms?[/QUOTE]
Nuke Bejing. Job done, moving onto Russia, N Korea and Iran now.
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;17456233]Two totally different things.[/QUOTE]
One's a bunch of angry fuckers with home made explosives and 30+ year old weaponry, the other is a modern, giant military. Right, they are different.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17456257]Nuke Bejing. Job done, moving onto Russia, N Korea and Iran now.[/QUOTE]
Enjoy your MAD.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17456257]Nuke Bejing. Job done, moving onto Russia, N Korea and Iran now.[/QUOTE]
You know that might just work, except we'd get nuked back. MAD still exists.
Hey guys whats going on in this thread
You know he is right.
We're just like Germany, they had advanced tanks (tiger, king tiger) but they took an extremely long time to make.
My point, American Shermans, although being weak easily ganged up on tigers and destroyed them.
Quality does not win war, Quantity does.
Misconceptions about the PLA is that they are this humongous godless killing machine of an army that will blow everything away with their numbers. They are not. They are a mainly defensive force and the only reason they have such large numbers is simply their population is about 1.3 billion, and many join just to get a job and pay. The soldiers are just stationed in random cities to overlook the community and act as like an extension to the police if needed.
Many times actually you can see soldiers getting off duty, still in uniform, enjoying their meals in a restaurant before going home (yes they live in those damn cities too).
[QUOTE=Lankist;17456301]Hey guys whats going on in this thread[/QUOTE]
we're being like nerds and wondering which country would kick our ass
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17454630]If mexico invaded, Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Nevada, Colorado and Texas would probably fall like a brick out of a plane due to all the illegals most likely collaborating there. Damn mexicans everywhere![/QUOTE]
We've got guns they have salsa bowls [b]WHO WILL WIN[/b]
[QUOTE=Tac Error;17456264]Enjoy your MAD.[/QUOTE]
Like the spanish inquisition, no one expects a nuclear attack these days.
Atleast the war would be short :buddy:
[QUOTE=Aegis°;17456308]Misconceptions about the PLA is that they are this humongous godless killing machine of an army that will blow everything away with their numbers.[/QUOTE]
I still see more people who believe the PLA is a military stuck in the Cold War with obsolete Soviet equipment and scant training.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17456304]You know he is right.
We're just like Germany, they had advanced tanks (tiger, king tiger) but they took an extremely long time to make.
My point, American Shermans, although being weak easily ganged up on tigers and destroyed them.
Quality does not win war, Quantity does.[/QUOTE]
I'd say the Nazis could of built up enough quantity to take on the British and US if hitler didn't invade the USSR, but that's for another thread :godwin:
You know this has all got me excited again for the new Red Dawn coming out exactly one year, 2 days.
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