Violence on television causes humans to be violent in real life. - General

[QUOTE=mikfoz]This idea is copyright [B]Russia[/B][/QUOTE] Fixed. :eng101:

[QUOTE=Linelor][b]WALL OF TEXT, LEVEL 7[/b][/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. But I didn't feel like writing a giant speech like I usually do when these things come up. Hit the nail on the head, so to speak. [b]:EDIT:[/b] Ack, broke mah automerge.:argh:

My first instincts were to nerd rage, but then I thought more about it, and it does make some sense. Violence in media doesn't turn normal fun loving children into horrifying killing machines, nor does it train or encourage them to do so (When was the last time you ever saw "Kill your family, then kill yourself" on a commercial video game? The only people media violence affects are those who have a predisposition to violence and are simply awaiting that final tick. If access to such media didn't exist, they would simply hit that tick in another medium. Just look at road rage, as one example. According to AAA, from 1990 to 1996 there were over two hundred murdered and twelve thousand injured as a result of road rage. That report was from 1997. One could argue that, looking at the FBI statistics, all statistics have decreased, some quite substantially (murder, violent crime, theft, etc). If media was truly causing this evil affliction to children, surely the rates would be rising. Violent games ell millions of copies, while movies sell millions of seats. Surely the numbers should be rising, yes? There are always those who will blame video games or other media for their crimes, it's human nature to not want to take blame for your own actions. Just look at Catcher in the Rye being responsible for John Lennon's murder. Throwing video games to murder is the same as throwing religion to preaching violence. Most of the time it's not the message that's being sent out, it's the fucked up mind of the person interpreting it that skews the intent and ends up with someone dead.

[QUOTE]There was a lot of wrong people in the thread I just closed. They believed that witnessing violence does not make you violent. This is wrong.[/QUOTE] There is no, and [b]never[/b] will be, a dogmatic answer to this query. There are variables in real life. But why argue, you are not of an intellectual level able to comprehend this yet.

That's what your suppose to do with that doll... you're suppose to hit/kick/dowhatever the fuck you want with it. It has more to do with self control and how mature you are.

[QUOTE=garry]Because you already knew that killing people was wrong. If you were born into a room and didn't see any other humans, and all you'd ever seen was UT and Quake.. then at the age of 18 you saw another human and you had a gun, I'm guessing your first instinct would be to shoot them. I'm not talking about 12 year olds. I'm talking about under 5 years old.[/QUOTE] However, humans don't grow up in a vacuum, and in doom you're fighting demons/zombies. Besides, who let's a child younger than five play Doom anyway?

It's always been pretty obvious to me that violent video games and violent movies and stuff makes a young child violent. It's also true that the parent affects the child more when he get's older. Example? I didn't get into the violent stuff when I was a young child. I got into that when I was older; around 12, and yet I haven't turned out to be a sociopath (not that I'm saying I nessesarlly would have). What did happen though is that one of my parent's did have mental issues, and it made me a little unstable, especially throught elementary and middle school. While censuring things to young children is ok, it's even mroe important that the parent is sane, loving, and has some disipline, yet is reasonable about punishments. I don't know if beating the crap out of your kids is going to help, but I do know that there's been a lot of bad children coming out of children who have been beaten. But it varies. Some turn out to be executives, others turn out to be drug dealers/addicts. I happen to know cases of both. It's my personal belief that a child should be loved and taught to care for things, although not taught to overvalue, a mistake my parents made. Beatings serve only to relieve the parent's anger on the child, nothing else... however someone might justify it. I've gone through my stint's of me and my parent's getting into screaming matches, sure. It was older, and they'd give me a good smack accross the face, sure. But beating with a two by four? That's the kind of stuff that makes children want to murder their parents. It may have made you come out alright, but it would not have worked on me.

[QUOTE=Linelor]Parents are the problem in my opinion. Time to sound like a geezer here but here I go... When I was a kid if I had been violent when playing or something like that or disrespected my parents, my dad would have beat me half to fucking death, and he did it too. Was no 2 his on the arm with a belt, he's went at me with a 2x4 before for calling him a sob when I was a teen. The problem now is that parents don't want to discipline their kids anymore and just let them run rampant and do whatever they want, also, if you whip your kid or anything now you can end up locked up for child abuse (Not that most child abuse cases are undeserved, but my dad probably would have been locked up for hitting me with a 2x4). Parents are a big problem today and something really has to change, one thing I've noticed here in the last 15 years or so is the complete lack of a model adult in the of the kids' life around here (Tennessee, USA). The adults don't work and live off a check from the government and hate their life so they tell their kids they won't amount to anything and let them do whatever. This leads to the kids having no model adult in their life that tells them what life is like and what kind of potential they have, so they drop out of school, do drugs, go to jail, etc. It's horrible and I personally don't know what can be done to help it, but the officials from the schools and what not shouldn't go along with it. For example, at the school my nephew attends (I spend a lot of time with him since my brother is disabled and can't get out and teach him to hunt and what not), there are these classes the colleges and universities sponsor called Advanced Placement. Basically it's college level classes like U.S. History and Biology that give the students that pass the class 6 college credits. It's free and it's really helpful as it looks really good on an application and it saved money which is a really big problem around here. Now, the schools recently split and they built a new $22,000,000 school on the east end of the county. They're having funding problems and so their solution is to do away with the AP program because it costs $40,000 a year between the 2 schools and not many students take it. It's to be replaced with a Dual Enrollment (Going to classes outside of school) and a beefed up Honors program. The problem with this stupid ass idea is that it counts for nothing to a college. A 5 on the AP US History test will get you a scholarship, but a 105 grade in Honors US History is basically meaningless to them. Couple nice stats to help if anyone still sides with them over this stupid matter. The new school runs it's lights (Parking lot and field lights included) 24/7. The school's electric bill at the end of the month - About $55,000 The school has an automated calling system that notifies parents of the events going on at the school. However, they still felt the need to buy a $30,000 display in front of the school that advertises the events and games. Multiple other things as well, it's just really pathetic. The real reason they feel that they should cut the AP program is that we don't exactly have the highest grades nor the lowest dropout rate in the state here. HOWEVER, we have more students who have passes the AP test than any other county in the state, 30% more than the wealthiest county, Williamson. It's just fucked and they're doing nothing to the students but further hurting them and the US populace as a whole with actions such as this.[/QUOTE] I find beating your child to be a completely unnecessary practice. Love your kid, tell them when they've done something wrong, and when you punish them take something away. Don't beat the shit out of them with a 2x4. That's just sick. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Xystus234]It's always been pretty obvious to me that violent video games and violent movies and stuff makes a young child violent. It's also true that the parent affects the child more when he get's older. Example? I didn't get into the violent stuff when I was a young child. I got into that when I was older; around 12, and yet I haven't turned out to be a sociopath (not that I'm saying I nessesarlly would have). What did happen though is that one of my parent's did have mental issues, and it made me a little unstable, especially throught elementary and middle school. While censuring things to young children is ok, it's even mroe important that the parent is sane, loving, and has some disipline, yet is reasonable about punishments. I don't know if beating the crap out of your kids is going to help, but I do know that there's been a lot of bad children coming out of children who have been beaten. But it varies. Some turn out to be executives, others turn out to be drug dealers/addicts. I happen to know cases of both. It's my personal belief that a child should be loved and taught to care for things, although not taught to overvalue, a mistake my parents made. Beatings serve only to relieve the parent's anger on the child, nothing else... however someone might justify it. I've gone through my stint's of me and my parent's getting into screaming matches, sure. It was older, and they'd give me a good smack accross the face, sure. But beating with a two by four? That's the kind of stuff that makes children want to murder their parents. It may have made you come out alright, but it would not have worked on me.[/QUOTE] I would have beat the shit out of them when they were sleeping or otherwise incapacitated. Not the smartest move, but it would be worth it. However, I was and am not beaten by my parents, I would never beat anything out of them, and I'm happy to say such.

This experiment doesn't seem valid in any way shape or form seeing as how it deals with an actual tangible human being in the room with the child. Kids take more influence from the people around them than the television (which still has a considerable amount of influence).

This only happens when you are learning - If I'm young and absorbing everything I see of course I'll be violent - BUT if I'm properly educated I will not go on a shit fit just because I flicked a fly off my tv screen.

[QUOTE=garry]I'm not debating whether it's the parents fault or whatever. I'm not saying ban violent tv shows. I'm just saying that violence does breed violence, something that you all seem to think is false for some reason.[/QUOTE] Sure it does, in the ideal situation. IE, growing up in a room only ever playing Unreal Tournament. But that's never going to happen.

Dunno what all the hubbub is about violence is fun

I've always thought this way. Though I'm not bored enough to write an essay I'll just throw one thing into the mixer, look at kids who spent their entire life growing up watching MTV. It has an effect.

[QUOTE=KillerTV]I've always thought this way. Though I'm not bored enough to write an essay I'll just throw one thing into the mixer, look at kids who spent their entire life growing up watching MTV. It has an effect.[/QUOTE] Of course it has an effect. The question is does it always have a negative effect? The problem is with life’s variables. Every person is different. Every piece of media labeled “violent” is different. Every person’s perspective of what violence, right and wrong is different. Science fails at testing media’s effects. If it was up to science the Bible would be condemned as violent. (Witch it is, but again – there is good and bad violence.) Violence is such a broad term nowadays.

[QUOTE=absinthe]Sure it does, in the ideal situation. IE, growing up in a room only ever playing Unreal Tournament. But that's never going to happen.[/QUOTE] I don't know why you're taking such an absolutist approach to this. It's not like only playing Unreal Tournament all your life will make you a serial killer, and anything other than that will have no effect at all Insensitivity to violence or lack of empathy can manifest in many ways on many levels, from being a serial killer to just being a little shit on the internet, and everything in between

[QUOTE=leach139]I don't want to punch anyone when I come off a game, I'm perfectly calm. A bit pumped from adrenaline sometimes, yes, but never "FUCK YOU I'M PUNCHING YOU NOW" I can understand it's a problem for some people, but :raise:[/QUOTE] I only get angry when the game cheats. :ahaw:

maybe if parents would smack their kids when they're being cunts...

Just exactly what garry said. Children have high curiosity levels so they become intrigued by things they've never experienced.

video games: being a scapegoat for 10 years now

Well of course if you expose a child to violence since birth or atleast from a young age consistently he's going to start imitating it. Obviously if you're a good parent you don't let your two year old learn from violent shows and video games by not letting him watch or play them.

[QUOTE=leach139]Heck, I play GTAIV, and I'm only 14, but I don't go out and rape anyone. Hmm. :raise:[/QUOTE] That's a stupid fucking argument, noone cares if you're 14 and you played GTA, obviously some fuck-tard out there is going around killing and raping shit and Grand Theft Auto is under their possession. There are many factors that play into why these kids would take such actions but usually they stop and say "This kid plays Video Games" instead of looking further down the line because it's the easy way out and for lawyers, it's a scapegoat for them to make huge amounts of money. Usually these people who go around and kill people and rape them have either been sexually/physically/mentally abused or they have other issues that could've been avoided with psychiatric assistance.

People here are thick headed... But I guess I can understand, you seem to make things up when you talk about something you know nothing about. Violence breed violence, that's all there is to get. Don't go off topic saying "I know this guy who watched his parents killed right in front of him and he hasn't killed anyone" because if you have to think of an example then the norm must be different.

Personally, I think this is false. I think that the child has to have some sort of serious unnoticed mental condition. It's like gaming, there's what? A billion, 2 billion gamers in the world? And out of that, only about 1000 of them actually commit murder. Sure, maybe a lot of those gamers are adults. So let's say something like 400 million. 0.0000025% Of course, this is nowhere near accurate, I have no idea how many underaged gamers there are, nor how many of them have killed someone in real life. But the facts are there, an extremely small amount of people are affected by violent games. Of course, there's other forms of violence. I wouldn't know what to do about them. Anger management?

Watching violent shit is gonna make people violent, it's up to your guardians to tell you that it's wrong.

I'd say I was pretty violent as a youngster but as I grew older I learned that violence isn't really acceptable in a civilization world and I kinda grew out of it. I don't get angry, or mad, or hit people. I get pissed, but that's it. And not over little things. It takes a lot for me to get pissed. Fucking parents now-a-days though are pussies. Beat some sense into the brats. Fucking little kids. I hate them all. Never want one.

Perception is a key that can keep children from developing violent behaviors from the environment around them.

People are used to violence, that's the main problem. During WWI, the army had a problem that people who had volunteered for the army would 'freeze up' when they had to shoot someone for the first time, and they had to train soldiers shooting pictures of the enemy to prevent this from happening. Over the years, the amount of training armies put in for this purpose has decreased until now it's virtually none, and that's almost entirely because of the media doing their job for them. The media in general desensitises people to violence, and that makes people commit violence more easily, and that applies to everyone. There's no way of getting around that.

[QUOTE=Death n1]It's one thing to learn to be violent and it's another thing to be violent. Kids these days, no self control.[/QUOTE] Just by my family's history, I'm instinctively violent, so violent movies and games don't really change much for me.

Finally. Thank you for this Garry, I'm glad someone finally said this.

I've killed millions of people in Counter-Strike. I'm destined to start a genocide.