Violence on television causes humans to be violent in real life. - General

Alright I just watched the video (I was at school before - YT is blocked, but wikipedia isn't) and I can honestly say [B]That was fucked up[/B] I know kids who have seen violent things, and [B]none[/B] of them act like that. I was thoroughly disturbed when I saw the boy repeatedly beat the bobo doll with the hammer. I didn't think the pushing bit was bad, but when they started throwing shit at it it got serious. If you look at their faces, it's just disturbing. I think the issue here is that the kids had no foreign influence to show non aggressive tactics to play with the doll, or even to have a living target, or a parental influence to instruct them how such activity is morally wrong. That was pretty messed up.

i watched violent movies and such since i was 4. i'm perfectly fine i keep my tendencies under control

Garry makes me violent. Why, I slapped myself on the forehead twice on the first page.

Violence is everywhere, and you cannot stop it... we gain it from the past, and we still used it today, if you want to stop violence, eliminate every human species in the planet and every omnivore and carnivore and let the herbivore's live.

No shit? Average age 4 years 4 months. Isn't that when you learn the most? While I agree with you, at ages 11 or so and above, I don't know if there's an influence. I've been playing violent games/watching violent movies since I was about 11 and I'm extremely passive, along with others I know. also ITT garry trolls us [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Dubeard]i watched violent movies and such since i was 4. i'm perfectly fine i keep my tendencies under control[/QUOTE] the fact that you have tendencies means you have a problem. [b]Edit:[/b] also ITT people kiss up to garry or say everything he's presented is false.

[QUOTE=leach139]So, here's the question. Does this equate to video games? FYI for garry's sake - Rating him Funny doesn't make you awesome, take into account the thread![/QUOTE] I rated him informative.

I blame violence influenced by TV and video games the result of bad parenting, followed by the person themselves. If you were to sit a kid down and tell them that the TV or Video Games is fake, and the stuff on them is wrong and you shouldn't do it, then chances are the kid won't reenact what they see. If they do, then their is something wrong with them or the way they were raised around violence. A truly rational person should be able to tell right from wrong, and if people are that worried about it, then they should pay more attention to the ratings they received. For instance, if a 12 year old plays a game rated for that of a 17 year old, then set 12 year old goes out and shoots someone, then it is not the games fault. It is either the person themselves, or the result of how they were taught. Basically I am saying that violence on TV or games won't fuck someone up if they are of sound mind, and normal intelligence.

[QUOTE=ishootme]I blame violence influenced by TV and video games the result of bad parenting, followed by the person themselves. If you were to sit a kid down and tell them that the TV or Video Games is fake, and the stuff on them is wrong and you shouldn't do it, then chances are the kid won't reenact what they see. If they do, then their is something wrong with them or the way they were raised around violence. A truly rational person should be able to tell right from wrong, and if people are that worried about it, then they should pay more attention to the ratings they received. For instance, if a 12 year old plays a game rated for that of a 17 year old, then set 12 year old goes out and shoots someone, then it is not the games fault. It is either the person themselves, or the result of how they were taught. Basically I am saying that violence on TV or games won't fuck someone up if they are of sound mind, and normal intelligence.[/QUOTE] Not if you're 4.

I'd beat that creepy ass doll too.

I don't care how much information the government throws in my face about television and violence, I don't believe a word of it. There's a [B]LOT[/B] more factors that play into violence and it's just a waste of time to blame it all on television, what they're doing is not addressing the issue they're blaming it on something else.

I don't get this thread. I thought when people argued about this type of thing we were talking about situations like 12+ year-old kids playing GTA and the like. When did it turn into toddlers? There is a certain point when raising a child that you decide they are mature enough to deal with fictional violence. There is no specific age, it is different with each individual. It certainly is going to affect 4 year-olds most of the time since they are still learning with a very open mind at that age. Now I'm not sure if Garry is arguing about just fake violence or real too, just young people or everyone, or is just trolling. So I'll stop here for now.

I'm proud of you guys. When I clicked this thread I figured that even though the statement is completely wrong, the OP would have 300+ agrees just because he's garry.

It's sad that the thread is full of "NUH UH VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES AND MOVIES DO NOTHING" while there's clear evidence to the contrary posted in the OP. Of course, he's referring to todlers, but I'm pretty sure a todler is a person.

Violent video games teach how you take control of another person's(a person who doesn't exist in the real world) body to do the killing for you. So it's alright. So what next, blame psychics and ghosts.

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey]It's sad that the thread is full of "NUH UH VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES AND MOVIES DO NOTHING" while there's clear evidence to the contrary posted in the OP. Of course, he's referring to todlers, but I'm pretty sure a todler is a person.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure toddler is spelled with 2 D's.

[QUOTE=benos]Violent video games teach how you take control of another person's(a person who doesn't exist in the real world) body to do the killing for you. So it's alright. So what next, blame psychics and ghosts.[/QUOTE] [b]First person[/b] shooter

Rating me funny makes me not awesome. So whatever you do... Don't rate me funny. I'm serious guys.

facepunch threads make me violent, so thanks alot, now i am going to go curb stomp a homeless person

Why blame violence on anything, violence is a natural part of life. I say as a society today we've outlawed violence too much, it's hardly okay to spank your kids in most places in the world now. We are so worried about video games creating columbine we don't ever think about the fact that there is no discipline left. I played doom when i was a kid, I didn't shoot up my school. Now why didn't I shoot up my school? Was it because i liked school? or wasn't picked on? No, I didn't shoot up my school because if daddy caught me making a bomb in the garage or with an ak in my closet he would have put my fucking face through a wall. Violence is not always a bad thing. I believe kids need to be whooped. It would help fix all this bullshit middle class teen rebellion kill the bullies bullshit that's going on.

I remember the Bobo Doll experiment in psychology class, but there was also studies that showed that it didn't cause violence in real life.

Allow me to point out in the video that the child seems only about 5-8 years old at most. I believe that after the direct brain development starts slowing down completely ( basically because when you are in the womb you develop at about [i]10X[/i] the normal rate so it starts to slow down but is still going fast till you are about 12, just like you can't stop suddenly when you are running down the hill) Such Violence should not effect a normal person from about 14 and up. I further conclude that If such a video were shown to an [b]average[/b] teenager mimicking aggression would not be seen.

All watching violence on television does is make you aware of violence. At that point, the conditioning that you have received as a result of how you have been raised and what you've been exposed to kicks in and determines what you do with that awareness. Additionally, more often than not you are aware of the fact that the television violence is generally fake, which alters your perception of it. Television doesn't cause you to do anything. Media doesn't cause you to do anything. You choose how to react to your environment and the things around you; the world doesn't make you do things, no matter how much you'd like to believe that. It's cognitive behavioral psychology.

Sure the kids hit the doll, [b]but were they actually angry, or just playing? Monkey see, monkey do.[/b] The kids were smiling, weren't they? They were just horsing with a doll in a room.

This is why you just don't allowed children to watch violent anything. But, just because they act like that then, that doesn't mean they are going to become murdering homicidal criminals (or a criminal in general). Also, put any child in a room with an inflatable somewhat-human-like toy and they will probably play rough with it. Does this mean watching power rangers has corrupted our minds? That show always had fighting, destruction, guns, and generally mild violence.

Children that young are easily impressionable to begin with. At that age I was tricked by my peers and family all the time because I was ignorant and young. I thought a cow came into my room every night and licked my head because my parents told me I got a cow-lick in my hair every morning. I never got close to the drain in the shower because my sister told me I could fall through and never come back. Personally I think parents should follow the ESRB rating on the box. Keep the kids out of the grown-ups' games so we can have fun every once and a while. EDIT: [QUOTE]Does this mean watching power rangers has corrupted our minds? That show always had fighting, destruction, guns, and generally mild violence.[/QUOTE] I could swear I read something a while ago about 2 boys killing a girl after acting out the moves the power rangers used on her.

[QUOTE=garry]There was a lot of wrong people in the thread I just closed. They believed that witnessing violence does not make you violent. This is wrong. There was a famous experiment called the bobo doll experiment. Read about it here [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobo_doll_experiment[/url]. Everything a child sees it learns. If it sees violence on TV, it leans how to be violent. Here's the video of it [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK4NPc7HCnY[/media] Seems pretty conclusive to me..[/QUOTE] I would like to have seen that experiment done slightly differently. To me, it seems fairly obvious that children would act more aggressively having just been exposed to violence. What I think should have been the follow-up experiment would be that the children were exposed to violence a few times a week for perhaps a month, then after waiting a few weeks the final playroom test was done again. It seems more practical to observe their reactions to exposure to violence after a period of waiting, rather than straight away.

ITT people don't read the thread and continue making OMG GARRY YOUR SO WRONG THEY'RE ONLY 5 YEAR OLDS [QUOTE=garry]Because you already knew that killing people was wrong. If you were born into a room and didn't see any other humans, and all you'd ever seen was UT and Quake.. then at the age of 18 you saw another human and you had a gun, I'm guessing your first instinct would be to shoot them. I'm not talking about 12 year olds. I'm talking about under 5 years old.[/QUOTE]

I started playing games like Half-Life when I was 9. Whenever I watch horror movies, with realistic violence (like alien or aliens) I'm still a bit shaken. I still would never want to kill anyone, but I guess that's partly because of my belief that people have a right to live. Besides, children who are shown violent video games and not taught that violence is wrong were gonna be messed up whether or not they played video games, because they weren't taught right from wrong. It is not so much a problem with video games as it is a problem with parenting, for god's sake parents, you're called parents for a reason, START TEACHING YOUR KIDS RIGHT AND WRONG AND STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR YOUR INCOMPETENCE! I believe the problem is also not games with violence in them, but games with unrealistic violence in them. Games like halo that almost seem to encourage violence, while not portraying it realistically. I believe there should be games where it's possible for one of your npc comrades to get a stomach wound and to die slowly while you try to give him medical aid, while he whimpers and begins to gurgle as his skin becomes pale and dark sags start to form under his eyes.

The story of the Earths life. [B]INFLUENTIAL INFLUENTIAL INFLUENTIAL INFLUENTIAL [/B]

but the purpose of those blowup weighted dolls is to hit them, the weight in the bottom makes them pop back up Not really fair to fill a room with real boring/shitty toys then have this really cool punching bag in the middle and claim the children are more violent. Maybe they just have a good taste in toys! Besides, when they see a video before that demonstrates how to use the toy, the kids are obviously going to want to try it. It would have been much better if the video demonstrated how to use all the other toys in the room, I feel it'd be more conclusive if the scientists have done that. But really, the only other toy in that room that would have been remotely interesting was the tether ball. Kids like exciting toys, and what other toys in that room were as exciting as the punching bag? For example, put one of those bigass McDonald's play places next to one of those punching bags, and I bet the kids would flock to the playplace just because it has more to offer.