Islam and Identity - General

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23927441]Zionism is a political subject.[/QUOTE] Also those evil conniving Jews.

[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927468]Also those evil conniving Jews.[/QUOTE] you probably think jews are trying to take over the world too

[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23927531]you probably think jews are trying to take over the world too[/QUOTE] Hahahahaha man I'm screen capping this shit.

[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]And here you are 'withholding' the practice and principles of Taqiyya. This is the verse you speak of: Qur'an (40:28) Here are the rest: Qur'an (16:106) - Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. [/quote] Proper translation: [quote]Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. (106)[/quote] What it basically says is: If you abandon Islam after believing by an act of free will, god will curse you and you're doomed! And before you say anything: Christianity (for example) deems EVERYONE a sinner and doomed to burn in hell unless they submit to Jesus as their saviour. Islam does not, if you've never been introduced to Islam, you're held to your actions in life before god on the day of judgement, and you could still go to heaven if said actions were benevolent. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]Qur'an (2:225) - Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing. [/quote] [quote]Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths. But He will take you to task for that which your hearts have garnered. Allah is Forgiving, Clement. (225) [/quote] Oaths here are made to God, not to people. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]Qur'an (3:54) - And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. [/quote] Within proper context: [quote]And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. (54) (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ. (55) [/quote] God schemed to save Jesus from the Jews, your point? [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]Qur'an (8:30) - Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah. [/quote] [Quote]And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters. (30)[/Quote] And? God plots? Hooray! [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]Qur'an (9:3) - And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. [/quote] [quote]And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve, (3) [B]Excepting[/B] those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a [B]treaty[/B], and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). (4)[/quote] Tada! again, context. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]And from the Hadith: Bukhari (49:857) - That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good "things, is not a liar.[/quote] [quote]Peacemaking Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 49 :: Hadith 857 Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."[/quote] Yeah, for things like telling a woman that her husband told you something nice about her to prevent a fight between them. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927175]Bukhari (84:64) - [U]Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy).[/U] No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijites[/url] Those are basically whom the Hadith was talking about. The part I underlined is narrated by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_ibn_Abi_Talib"]Ali ibn Abi Talib[/URL], not the prophet, and certainly not god.

ITT: 17 and younger with opinions.

[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927396]Getting all your news through wholly corporate owned mass media and you think you have the truth?[/QUOTE] Where do you get your news you fucking hypocrite? I said I can VALIDATE the news, unlike yourself. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927396]The one I befriended was Muslim in name only. I forgot to mention that the older guy fucking hated him and would complain about him all the time. The older guy 'befriended' me and tried to get me to convert.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and? did he try to subjugate you? [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927396]Except Islam provides it's own method as to how it is to be interpreted.[/QUOTE] [citation required] [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927396][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF8TZ7k42H8[/media][/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kqmaxWQ_8[/media] Happy now? I could pop in videos too just the same; but canned opinions are not my retort. I'm not having a youtube battle on FP. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23927396]You put even less text than you quoted from me, and you never even touched on the arguments you claimed you could refute to begin with.[/QUOTE] Present your own opinions and I shall do so, dumping crappy articles from other sites is retarded, and I'm not wasting my time and effort refuting incredible copypasta shit.

here's a question to ask Muslims: Was anything Muhammad did between the years 610 and 632 CE morally wrong? That's it. That's all you need to ask them. Nothing else is necessary. Muhammad owned slaves, had critics assassinated, led unprovoked raids solely to seize war booty, and had sex with a nine year old girl. If their answer is "No", they have told you everything you need to know. ps that wasn't me who wrote this it was my cousin

[QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331]here's a question to ask Muslims: Was anything Muhammad did between the years 610 and 632 CE morally wrong? [/quote] Yes, he frowned upon a blind guy once and god reprimanded him in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abasa"]a whole Sura about it[/URL]. [QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331]That's it. That's all you need to ask them. Nothing else is necessary. Muhammad owned slaves[/QUOTE] He never did, when everybody else did. If you argue otherwise: bring a reference. [QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331], had critics assassinated,[/QUOTE] Again: proof or gtfo. [QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331] led unprovoked raids solely to seize war booty,[/QUOTE] 'Unprovoked wars'? do you think the people that oppressed him and his followers for two decades or so didn't give him a reason to fight them? And uniting his people instead of having tribes randomly raiding and pillaging one another was a wrong cause? [QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331] and had sex with a nine year old girl. [/QUOTE] She was [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage"]fourteen[/URL]. And you're neglecting a cultural difference of almost a millennia and a half in years, Disregarding the distance and the context. [QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331]If their answer is "No", they have told you everything you need to know. ps that wasn't me who wrote this it was my cousin[/QUOTE] :bravo:

[QUOTE=voodooattack;23927915]Proper translation: What it basically says is: If you abandon Islam after believing by an act of free will, god will curse you and you're doomed! And before you say anything: Christianity (for example) deems EVERYONE a sinner and doomed to burn in hell unless they submit to Jesus as their saviour. Islam does not, if you've never been introduced to Islam, you're held to your actions in life before god on the day of judgement, and you could still go to heaven if said actions were benevolent.[/quote] It seems to have as little a grasp on Christianity as you think I do on Islam. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23927915]Oaths here are made to God, not to people.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't even call this Taqiyya, this is just a lie. It's not talking about oaths to God, it talking about OATHS in general, as in promises that you make. Here is the preceding verse: "And make not Allah's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things. " And the one after it: "For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four months is ordained; if then they return, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." There is no context for having it be an oath to God, in fact you're the first who's ever tried to argue it that way. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23927915]Within proper context: God schemed to save Jesus from the Jews, your point? [/quote] Is this a joke? This is just talking about the belief that Allah took Jesus up to heaven alive. The point of my inclusion of the verse is that the Arabic word being translated in scheme is makara which literally means deceit. Allah is the best at being deceitful. Same with 8:30 and 10:21. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23927915]Tada! again, context.[/quote] Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty. (1) Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His Guidance). (2) And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve, (3) Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).(4) Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (5) Context indeed, and wait, reading ahead: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. (29) And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (30) And then what's this? Islam will dominate? He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. (33) [QUOTE=voodooattack;23927915]Yeah, for things like telling a woman that her husband told you something nice about her to prevent a fight between them.[/quote] Yep, that is one entirely acceptable use, and it is still a lie, and the principle behind it is still entirely applicable for a myriad of other lies. And since Muhammad is the model man you must strive to invent this 'good' information as long as it makes peace. Like for example if I am a Kafir and you are a Muslim, and you invent some information that tricks me into becoming a Muslim, then there will be peace, as Islam is peace is it not? [QUOTE=voodooattack;23927915][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijites[/url] Those are basically whom the Hadith was talking about. The part I underlined is narrated by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_ibn_Abi_Talib"]Ali ibn Abi Talib[/URL], not the prophet, and certainly not god.[/QUOTE] Ali was a Caliph. He was confirming it is alright to lie. He was also talking about killing apostate (someone who leaves Islam). Here is a quote from some Sunni Islamic Law: [I]Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression… One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.[/I] [editline]10:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928306]Where do you get your news you fucking hypocrite? I said I can VALIDATE the news, unlike yourself.[/quote] Third party internet? Not filtered mass media. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928306]Yeah, and? did he try to subjugate you?[/quote] No he was pretty nice about it. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928306][citation required][/quote] The verse revealed by Muhammad later abrogates the one revealed eariler [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928306][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kqmaxWQ_8[/media] Happy now? I could pop in videos too just the same; but canned opinions are not my retort. I'm not having a youtube battle on FP.[/quote] Well, the first part about an irrational fear my video already covered. The part about Austria and what it did in comparison to the Danish cartoons, I disagree with their actions, no censorship is good censorship, as do probably most free thinkers. But I have to ask this guy, how many buildings were burned and people killed by Catholics in response? That fact that he calls groups that oppose Islam racist is ridiculous, and the fact that he uses Godwin's Law kind of fucks him over. I laughed when he said they need to do what the prophet would have done, in fact on that point, let me ask you voodooattack, and this is a Yes or No answer: As a Muslim, do you think anything Muhammad did between the years 610 and 632 CE was morally wrong? [editline]10:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=InChoFace;23928331]here's a question to ask Muslims: Was anything Muhammad did between the years 610 and 632 CE morally wrong? That's it. That's all you need to ask them. Nothing else is necessary. Muhammad owned slaves, had critics assassinated, led unprovoked raids solely to seize war booty, and had sex with a nine year old girl. If their answer is "No", they have told you everything you need to know. ps that wasn't me who wrote this it was my cousin[/QUOTE] Ninja'd [editline]10:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928631]Yes, he frowned upon a blind guy once and god reprimanded him in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abasa"]a whole Sura about it[/URL].[/quote] As I said to a friend earlier, a Muslim will always give a washy answer. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928631]He never did, when everybody else did. If you argue otherwise: bring a reference.[/quote] He took wives to rape as war booty, I'd call that akin to slavery, plus he legitimized slavery for Muslims. 33:50 - O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928631]Again: proof or gtfo.[/quote] [url]http://www.muslimhope.com/Assassinations.htm[/url] Also references are contained within the article [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928631]'Unprovoked wars'? do you think the people that oppressed him and his followers for two decades or so didn't give him a reason to fight them? And uniting his people instead of having tribes randomly raiding and pillaging one another was a wrong cause?[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_raids[/url] [QUOTE=voodooattack;23928631]She was [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage"]fourteen[/URL]. And you're neglecting a cultural difference of almost a millennia and a half in years, Disregarding the distance and the context.[/quote] This is being said by this one guy? And the fact that he's basing it on the birth of Fatima, in which there is much disagree as to the date and there is like a 10 year window, and the fact that Aisha remembered verses while playing? I can still remember playing video games and watching cartoons back to when I was 2 years old. Her being 14 at the time of consummation is bullshit.

[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]It seems to have as little a grasp on Christianity as you think I do on Islam.[/quote] Excuse me for not having the omniscience required to know all of the different books and interpretations of Christianity up to the 1,000,000th one that Crazy Ed just came up with down an alley somewhere by heart, I am greatly at a disadvantage here, but what I put up was the general conception. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]I wouldn't even call this Taqiyya, this is just a lie. It's not talking about oaths to God, it talking about OATHS in general, as in promises that you make. Here is the preceding verse: "And make not Allah's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things. " And the one after it: "For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four months is ordained; if then they return, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." There is no context for having it be an oath to God, in fact you're the first who's ever tried to argue it that way.[/quote] And why did you assume the verses were talking about Taquyyia in the first place? In Islam, all oaths are made to god, you make an oath by swearing by god to do something, and are punished by him as your witness if you don't. [quote]The Prophet (pbuh) said: “Whoever swears by anything other than Allah is guilty of kufr or shirk.” (Saheeh, narrated by Ahmad, Abu Dawood, al-Tirmidhi).[/quote] The verses above are telling Muslims that they can withdraw some of their oaths to god if they can't fulfil them under certain conditions, and that god would forgive them if they did. (oaths of abstention for example) [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]Is this a joke? This is just talking about the belief that Allah took Jesus up to heaven alive. The point of my inclusion of the verse is that the Arabic word being translated in scheme is makara which literally means deceit. Allah is the best at being deceitful. Same with 8:30 and 10:21.[/quote] Makara is a verb, the initiative of which is Makr, which literally translates to ALL and ANY of the following: cunning craftiness slyness wiliness artifice guile deception deceit Your pick. Oh, and in Arabic, it generally depicts intelligence; and in that verse, god says that he tricked them. And finally, how does this fit into your argument exactly? do the verses instruct Muslims to be deceitful in any way? [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty. (1) Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His Guidance). (2) And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve, (3) Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).(4) Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (5) Context indeed, and wait, reading ahead: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. (29) And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (30) And then what's this? Islam will dominate? He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. (33)[/quote] And your point is? All of this clearly speaks of a specific situation, and talking context: Muslims' long awaited return to Mekka after being exiled/tortured/oppressed by said idolaters, Muslims went to Haj with no weapons, with nothing on them but pilgrimage cloth. Does this apply to all humans on our modern-day earth? That's a leap only the extremist is willing to make. Including you of course, since you already did obviously. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]Yep, that is one entirely acceptable use, and it is still a lie, and the principle behind it is still entirely applicable for a myriad of other lies. And since Muhammad is the model man you must strive to invent this 'good' information as long as it makes peace. Like for example if I am a Kafir and you are a Muslim, and you invent some information that tricks me into becoming a Muslim, then there will be peace, as Islam is peace is it not?[/quote] What the fuck are you high on? It's not like the world revolves around your fucking egotistic person. See what you did there? you took a fucking huge leap beyond logic, stretching words beyond their capacity and inventing hypothetical situations and motives that portray all Muslims as deceitful people with nothing else on their minds but to recruit you and bring your great great mind into their ranks. You assume that 'war' (as opposed to peace) is the initial condition in your encounter with a Muslim, and you assume that said Muslim will do anything to prevent said 'war' (unlike the way you tried to portray Muslims earlier, as blood-thirsty thieves and mobs.. oh well), and again you assume that said Muslim will approach the problem by trying to convert you to Islam, and that they'll eventually have to lie about it to make you believe, and that this is the only way there could be peace with you. I'm amused. Trust me, I'd take great pleasure shooting myself in the leg before I even think about inviting *you* to my religion, with such a mindset, you'd automatically turn into a senseless radical if you did. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]Ali was a Caliph. He was confirming it is alright to lie. He was also talking about killing apostate (someone who leaves Islam).[/quote] Yeah, because you're not supposed to lie to the enemy at war, always say the truth regardless, fucking makes sense. [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23928645]Here is a quote from some Sunni Islamic Law: [I]Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression… One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.[/I][/QUOTE] There's no such thing as [I]the[/I] "book of sunni law", I'll let wikipedia reiterate: [quote]Sharia (شريعة Šarīʿa; [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences among themselves as to exactly what it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.[/quote] Also, source? Put up a link next time, I have no idea where your 'quote' came from.

People from every walk of life, every religion, and every ideology have committed atrocities in the name of what the believe in, and just because a few have killed in the name of Islam doesn't cause every Islamic person or Islam itself to be inherently evil. Do you blame Judaism on the atrocities in Palestine? No. Do you blame Christianity on the atrocities committed in the Crusades or the inquisition? No. You must blame the individuals who twist their beliefs to further their own goals or their own insanity. But you will most likely ignore me and deride me as you are a bigot who is no better than those you claim to hate.

I thought this was about me joining one of the Islamic sects. My bad.

The Op is mad now due to a muslim manager who did something in his life laid him off from his job. Than he had a fantastic adventure with a indian guy and burned him some awesome Indian love movie, and now he is here Q_Qing about Islam. Makes sense to me? fixt

OP, You are a fucking idiot. I live in a muslim country, and I'm not a muslim nor have I ever been attacked by one. The muslims here are generally nice people and there are just as many crimes commited by muslims as there are crimes commited by expatriates. [editline]08:57AM[/editline] They haven't tried to convert me either.

I don't see Muslims knocking on my door and asking me about Allah.

[QUOTE=Afgman;23931171]The Op is mad now duo to a muslim manager who did something in his life laid him off from his job. Than he had a fantastic adventure with a indian guy and burned him some awesome Indian love movie, and now he is here Q_Qing about Islam. Makes sense to me?[/QUOTE] God damn it man, it's 'due' not 'duo'.

And from the parts I read in the statement in the OP. Why would you believe that the Muslim people as a whole are out to expand aggressively? And how is Islam connected to 9/11? The people who had committed themselves into driving the plane into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon are considered to be members of Al-Qaeda. A group of [b]Extremist[/b] Muslims that are militantly Anti-Western. This does not mean that my Muslim Friend whom I have known since kindercare is going to strap on a bomb and kill herself in a crowded theater. I also do not like the fact on how you connect the entire Muslim population on Earth into being connected into destroying everybody.

One of my friends is a muslim and he hates Al-Qaeda for giving muslims a bad name. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, OP, you're a fucking idiot.

Basically you're just researching on Muslims and drawing to your own conclusions about them. You never spoke, interacted, or befriended a Muslim person. This is just some non-Muslim's misguided opinion on Islam and how every Imam in every Mosque preaches about radicalism and extremism and desire to forcibly convert everyone.

Hmm Got to Agree with the Op But on my own standards. So im Only Talking about the Hardcore Ones I admit that the Muslims Are going all over the world and brown noising the Country's into Building mosques out of Grief and Hate, Thats why you see Mosques in Places like Denmark. I live in a Muslim Country Almost All Of My Life, Every Day I see one Man With up to 5 Wives Some of them No Older The 20, I notice these due to the Sound of their Voices. The Muslim Men Love to Have Sex with their Wives and Other Women That Aren't Even Single, But they Will Go berserk If another Man even touch or even bumps into his Wife/Wives By Accident. I once Saw A man Nearly Kill a 15 Year old boy Because He Accentually Bumped into His Wife, the Only Reason He didn't Kill Him Was Because the Boys Friends Where There to Stop the Fight. Where I live There Is so Many Perks for the Muslim Population The Perk Which is the Worst For Immigrates or People who live here Is the "Sun of the Earth" perk The Perk Gives the Muslim Population Gets This They Get to Go in a University Even if their 30% more Dumb than the Non-Muslim Student. If the Goverment has A piece of land that they Want to sell Muslims will ALWAYS come first Than after a few Months they will Sell it to The non-Muslim Population And thats Just to Name a Few. I have been Insulted and By Muslim Children In School. Not Being Pussy Or anything But Now i Am Afraid Of going to School Due to One of the Muslim Peers Even Saying "Osama Bin Laden" Is right To have Done the Attacks. this is Just in My Country and This Is one of the Less Muslim Tight Countries the Government Officials Are Cruel and have Done Horribly things to People, I could tell the Shit the have done Later. To to Sum this Up the Religion BEFORE 1970 Was ok Now they Are a Virus on the World or Atleast The hardcore Ones. Wait Only Hardcore Ones

^ The grammar, mass typos, generalizations, the presentation of rude stereotypes and strawman arguments suggest to me that your standards may hit negative integers.

Gargatul0th is Criticalthought he thinks Muslims are trying to kill him. [editline]09:32AM[/editline] He's basically fucking insane and a hardcore islamaphobe.

Lol. Everytime someone brings up a logical argument against his, he dismisses it and yells "Taqiyya! Taqiyya!"

Taqiyya! [editline]09:41AM[/editline] look at me, look at me, im clinical thought, i have no idea what that word means, watch me use it all the time! weeeeeeeeeeeee [editline]09:47AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23921829]Unless you live in an Islamic country, then they try to force you to join or else make you pay Jizya and be Dhimmified. Then Jihadis funded by the governments as required by Islamic law kidnap you and behead you if you don't. No compulsion in religion has been abrogated. They may never get you to truly believe in your heart, but that doesn't mean they'll leave you alone.[/QUOTE] you have never seen a Muslim before, have you?

Yay, Amute is here! Tear him a new asshole, bro!

It pretty much refutes it self.

I think he's gone off tagging his Muslim neighbor's car.

I hate it when people automatically assume "jihad" means killing people. Offensive jihad only came about because of people like Sayyid Qutb. Devoted to trying to install Islam as government.

'Jihad' actually means cleansing the world of evil, like devils or demons and that kind of stuff. Al-Qaeda just perverted it enough to make it mean something totally different.

Jihad means "personal struggle"