Anarchy: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need - General

Anarchy is the land of do-as-you-please not take-what-you want... no, dear eve, this is not anarchy... this is [i]chaos[/i] Look at the paris commune, that is the dictatorship of the proletariat

A capitalist anarchy would have wallmart buy body guards and take control of the worl unless Microsoft started buying tanks

Etymology of the word anarchy: An = No Archy = Rulers. There you have it. Simply put, anarchy is no rulers, not no rules, despite what the mainstream media portrays it as. Am I saying it wouldn't be chaos if it was attempted? Of course not. We as human beings are an incredibly fucked up species. It's good in theory, and I like certain values it brings forth.

Thread is useless. Anarchy will [I]never[/I] happen just like that.

I like my life, thanks.

The point of government is in exchange for giving up some of our natural rights, they protect us. Without government there would be chaos, people are dark creatures when left to do what they will without regulation. with that in mind anarchy would never work, without government, the strongest would win. People would have to make and grow their own food, but if they weren't well protected it would be stolen. Repeat these sort of situations in your mind, anarchy would never work.

I have to disagree, most people are too dumb to make their own decisions, we need a dictatorship

Fuck roads. I don't need that shit.

did this thread really need to be resurrected? We've already covered the fact that the majority of Facepunch prefer authoritarian to libertarian, no amount of discussion is really going to sway people one way or the other. As much as I'd love to see more people standing up for their freedoms, they are free to do what they want, even if that means they are free to not be free.

I wake up in the morning to find out that the government is gone and now we have anarchy. I go to the grocery store but they don't want to sell anything because they're afraid of food shortages. I'm mad, because I'm hungry, so I go back home and get all my friends/family members/vicious dogs/shotguns and return to the store, taking the food by force. The store owner attempts to call the police. However, he realizes that the phone lines no longer work. The workers of the phone company never showed up because money is worthless so why work for worthless paper? Anyway, somehow the owner contacts the police, but they never show. Why should they risk their lives? What are they getting in return? Are there some sort of rules that specify how the policemen get paid and how they get benefits and how their retirement fund works? If so, then it's not really anarchy. So I shoot the store owner and the cashiers that are unwilling to join my cause. I fortify the grocery store and only give out food to those willing to join my small army. Soon, my forces swell and I begin sweeping through the city, killing all in my path or recruiting them. I set up my headquarters in my massive tower constructed by my captured slaves. I establish rules and regulations so my underlings have a code to live by. I wear a golden ring on my head thats embedded with jewels and I appoint my sons to be my successors. I pay each of my men a fair wage in either food, commodities, or a piece of paper which they can vouch for these commodities. I create an empire and become evil overlord of all and the anarchy is no more. Do you not want to be led? Screw you, I want you as my slave, and if you have something to say about it, stand up and fight. Otherwise, you will be steamrolled by those who can actually lift a 45 pound weight. It doesn't matter what you want, because the moment that the laws protecting your ability to want things disappear, you'll find yourself hard pressed to achieve such things.

True Marxist communism will be implemented in some country before this is.

[QUOTE=DarkendSky;24975204]True Marxist communism will be implemented in some country before this is.[/QUOTE] No it won't. Haha. Anarchy for all. Freedom and liberal.

No leaders =/= No social contract = Lots of Freedom, but no security. Rules are set in place By Rulers. Anarchy = No Rules.

Power is always with the people, no matter what.

OP doesn't know anything about democracy. In a true democracy(there aren't any of these), all decisions are made directly by all the people. IE: What he's describing in his anarchy is in fact true democracy. What he describes is representative democracy, (IE: AMERICA), which is one of the few places with a Two Party system, most have quite a few more parties(IE: OP is ignorant of other countries and how their democracies work.)

So let's say a country turns to anarchy. I'd imagine that much like communicism it needs to be small societies working together - Like parts of cities, small villages, etc. to avoid councils, representatives, etc Say, what if a neighboring country says that the anarchy country needs to cut down in pollution? How will a country discuss these matters when there are no leaders or representatives to hold meetings, enforce compromises and so on? Here you can't just say "we'll create a committee to take care of the problem" - That'd be the start of organizing representatives and if any other things needs to be cared for, more committees would have to be born and eventually anarchy will be dead. From what I can read in your thread, even in anarchy goes well, it is nothing more but a child learning how to make itself grow more efficiently into something else. Keeping society at a premature state is impossible - People WILL seek for better alternatives, we always have. Ifyou want to keep anarchy as it is you either need to flush people in and out of the society, like they do in the Danish "state" Christania, or you need to suppress people's wishes to change which is done most effectively through fear and/or propaganda. I know this is not very well worded but I tried.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;24974999]I wake up in the morning to find out that the government is gone and now we have anarchy. I go to the grocery store but they don't want to sell anything because they're afraid of food shortages. I'm mad, because I'm hungry, so I go back home and get all my friends/family members/vicious dogs/shotguns and return to the store, taking the food by force. The store owner attempts to call the police. However, he realizes that the phone lines no longer work. The workers of the phone company never showed up because money is worthless so why work for worthless paper? Anyway, somehow the owner contacts the police, but they never show. Why should they risk their lives? What are they getting in return? Are there some sort of rules that specify how the policemen get paid and how they get benefits and how their retirement fund works? If so, then it's not really anarchy. So I shoot the store owner and the cashiers that are unwilling to join my cause. I fortify the grocery store and only give out food to those willing to join my small army. Soon, my forces swell and I begin sweeping through the city, killing all in my path or recruiting them. I set up my headquarters in my massive tower constructed by my captured slaves. I establish rules and regulations so my underlings have a code to live by. I wear a golden ring on my head thats embedded with jewels and I appoint my sons to be my successors. I pay each of my men a fair wage in either food, commodities, or a piece of paper which they can vouch for these commodities. I create an empire and become evil overlord of all and the anarchy is no more. Do you not want to be led? Screw you, I want you as my slave, and if you have something to say about it, stand up and fight. Otherwise, you will be steamrolled by those who can actually lift a 45 pound weight. It doesn't matter what you want, because the moment that the laws protecting your ability to want things disappear, you'll find yourself hard pressed to achieve such things.[/QUOTE] that sounds so awesome. I want anarchy now!

Anarchy as a governmental philosophy is inherently idealist, similar to true communism and true democracy(this is actually what OP is talking about, but OP is not that great at it). IE: It couldn't really work, at least not on a large scale. Some sort of leader is always necessary in a society, as is some degree of organization.

Anarchy threads shouldn't be allowed on FP, or any forum for that matter. Nobody ever has a real discussion about it; they either use ad hominem, unrealistic hypothetical situations, or meaningless phrases (e.g. "anarchy is a state of idiocy") to get their point across. People also seem to be unaware of the fact that there are many different forms of anarchy and that it's possible that people can lead groups of people in an anarchistic society. It's not just every man for himself. Also, cherry-picking definitions of anarchy to show how horrible and scary it is, is incredibly stupid. [editline]09:26AM[/editline] [QUOTE=A Dead Guy;24565459]No it can't. Any state has laws and organizations (such as the police and the army) that are there to prevent such an occasion, making it much more difficult. Anarchy does not have such things, making it extremely easy, and when it's just a matter of getting a few guns and some people together, the shit will very quickly hit the fan.[/QUOTE] There is such a thing as private law enforcement and private military.

Private law enforcement and private military, by definition, work for the highest bidder, an inherent flaw.