there is an argument to be made that dumb, mindless fun does kinda undersell the value of Ghost in the Shell for being less of just 'action in post-cyberpunk' but more of the whole 'post-cyberpunk philosophical questioning' dealio. I can understand that not being made (because it's not particularly attractive to movie-going audiences), but at the same time, that is a really important part of the identity of the series.
[QUOTE=shotgun334;52527611]there is an argument to be made that dumb, mindless fun does kinda undersell the value of Ghost in the Shell for being less of just 'action in post-cyberpunk' but more of the whole 'post-cyberpunk philosophical questioning' dealio. I can understand that not being made (because it's not particularly attractive to movie-going audiences), but at the same time, that is a really important part of the identity of the series.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the philosophical aspects of GITS make it what it is. I watched the original film right before I went to see it in theater and there are some scenes that are shot-for-shot taken from it with next to none of the writing style from the 95' film. GITS: Scarjo Edition is the original film, with bits of SAC and Arise thrown into a blender and then packaged for a general audience.
I'll probably still go buy it on Blu-Ray when I'm out and about. I liked Beat Takeshi as Aramaki.
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but Stand Alone Complex > GITS 1995
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52529097]I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but Stand Alone Complex > GITS 1995[/QUOTE]
Both are fantastic, so it's essentially coming down to personal preference.
[QUOTE=megafat;52529154]Both are fantastic, so it's essentially coming down to personal preference.[/QUOTE]
The general opinion is that both are good but the prevailing opinion seems to be that the movie's the better one. I agree with AtomicSans personally. It's a bit less philosophical than the movie but SAC is also a lot easier to follow.
My preference for SAC comes down to:
-much stronger and more complete worldbuilding
-seeing Section 9 actually doing the one-off missions and cases that it exists for (they have a great group dynamic that 1995 barely touches on)
-the action, man
-remember the time the Major fucking murdered a mech pilot by shooting him repeatedly one-handed with an anti-materiel rifle
-Batou is an actual character
-hilariously dumb hacking scenes
-excellent side character focus episodes
-1995's pacing kinda sucks
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52529335]My preference for SAC comes down to:
-much stronger and more complete worldbuilding
-seeing Section 9 actually doing the one-off missions and cases that it exists for (they have a great group dynamic that 1995 barely touches on)
-the action, man
-remember the time the Major fucking murdered a mech pilot by shooting him repeatedly one-handed with an anti-materiel rifle
-Batou is an actual character
-hilariously dumb hacking scenes
-excellent side character focus episodes
-1995's pacing kinda sucks[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair youre comparing a movie to a show with almost 50 episodes.
[QUOTE=Niney;52529403]Well to be fair youre comparing a movie to a show with almost 50 episodes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I think GITS is better suited to a show than a movie. More time to explore a strange world.
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52529097]I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but Stand Alone Complex > GITS 1995[/QUOTE]
I made the mistake of watching Cowboy Bebop right before SAC. So while I like SAC, Cowboy Bebop just fucking blows SAC out of the water in terms of characters and pathos and stuff. I liked SAC but I feel like I'd like it more if I hadn't JUST watched Cowboy Bebop.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52529410]r/vegan really needs to stop showing up on r/all[/QUOTE]
you can block subreddits
[QUOTE=Broguts;52529456]I made the mistake of watching Cowboy Bebop right before SAC. So while I like SAC, Cowboy Bebop just fucking blows SAC out of the water in terms of characters and pathos and stuff. I liked SAC but I feel like I'd like it more if I hadn't JUST watched Cowboy Bebop.[/QUOTE]
Those two shows are so different that I'm hesitant to compare them directly.
I'm not normally someone who says this but going by the trailer and what I've heard about the book, I legitimately, sincerely hope Ready Player One bombs.
When the trailer you put together for motherfucking Comic Con fails to tell me anything about the actual movie and instead seems to be more about cramming in as many references as you can, that's a [I]horrible[/I] omen. Even reading through the synopsis on Wikipedia, it reads more like one giant nostalgia wankfest than an actual story.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52529810]I'm not normally someone who says this but going by the trailer and what I've heard about the book, I legitimately, sincerely hope Ready Player One bombs.
When the trailer you put together for motherfucking Comic Con fails to tell me anything about the actual movie and instead seems to be more about cramming in as many references as you can, that's a [I]horrible[/I] omen. Even reading through the synopsis on Wikipedia, it reads more like one giant nostalgia wankfest than an actual story.[/QUOTE]
It feels like movie studios saw the Lego movies and Wreck-it Ralph doing extremely well and went "hey, what they really like about these movies is the product placement! Let's cram that shit in our movies too!" and now we've got the Emoji movie and RP1
I mean that's not the case for RP1 because it has a source material, but man, real world references without anything else to hook me in is just dull.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52529410]r/vegan really needs to stop showing up on r/all[/QUOTE]
why?
Well this is a very unpopular opinion for this site:
I believe trannys are mentally ill. Now I dont believe they should be discriminated against or barred from using whatever bathrooms. But a lot of them seem to have problems. Your chromozones and basic human biology dictate what you really are. You are not a women but just a very feminate guy.
Sex change operations as it is doesnt actually change you into a women or man it just mutilate your sex organs to KINDA look like a vagina/penis. From what Ive study the man-womans sex change is horrible and requires you to reinsert tubes to stop the wound from healing.
Trans should have civil rights and be allowed to do whatever but that wont change the fact that they will always be what they really are. I know a couple transpeople and they usually look hideously deformed and look much more unhappy.
Chances are I may be ignorant tho so if somebody can prove me wrong i'll welcome it.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52530943]Well this is a very unpopular opinion for this site:
I believe trannys are mentally ill. Now I dont believe they should be discriminated against or barred from using whatever bathrooms. But a lot of them seem to have problems. Your chromozones and basic human biology dictate what you really are. You are not a women but just a very feminate guy.
Sex change operations as it is doesnt actually change you into a women or man it just mutilate your sex organs to KINDA look like a vagina/penis. From what Ive study the man-womans sex change is horrible and requires you to reinsert tubes to stop the wound from healing.
Trans should have civil rights and be allowed to do whatever but that wont change the fact that they will always be what they really are. I know a couple transpeople and they usually look hideously deformed and look much more unhappy.
Chances are I may be ignorant tho so if somebody can prove me wrong i'll welcome it.[/QUOTE]
can of worms status: open
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52530948]can of worms status: open[/QUOTE]
Atleast im posting a honest unpopular opinion of mines. This thread just seems like a lot of people circlejerking about things.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52530984]This thread just seems like a lot of people circlejerking about things.[/QUOTE]
can of [B]sand worms[/B] status: open
[QUOTE=Craptasket;52531008]can of [B]sand worms[/B] status: open[/QUOTE]
First, i think people 100% have the right to change their body by any and all legal means...but I think that, logically, any definition of mental illness would have to include believing things about yourself that are empirically untrue.
If someone thinks they are a bird, or a tree, or a cloud, we call them mentally ill. We call addicts mentally ill, and people with eating disorders mentally ill, Why should we try to spare the feeling of the people who happen to believe something untrue about their gender or sex organs.
If I thought I should have been born with flippers and a tail I would be crazy. How is that different from ovaries vs testes and penis vs vagina.
I mean it's not like I'm going to shit on trans people for being trans, but that isn't healthy. It doesn't bother or affect me in any way, they aren't dangerous, but they aren't healthy.
Suicide rates are the same before and after sex-change surgery and it's 100% permanent. Most people freak out right after it, because they've never done anything that extreme. So I'm definitely opposed to those. It's mutilation plain and simple.
Here's one with Caitlyn Jenner: [url]http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/06/01/caitlyn-jenner-surgery-bruce-transition-woman-panic-attack/[/url]
[QUOTE]What did I just do? What did I just do to myself?” are the questions Caitlyn asked herself in the 15-second long panic attack that sent her conscious into a frenzy.[/QUOTE]
We've come to the point where we're normalizing all behavior, and that isn't good for anybody.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52531064]First, i think people 100% have the right to change their body by any and all legal means...but I think that, logically, any definition of mental illness would have to include believing things about yourself that are empirically untrue.
If someone thinks they are a bird, or a tree, or a cloud, we call them mentally ill. We call addicts mentally ill, and people with eating disorders mentally ill, Why should we try to spare the feeling of the people who happen to believe something untrue about their gender or sex organs.
If I thought I should have been born with flippers and a tail I would be crazy. How is that different from ovaries vs testes and penis vs vagina.
I mean it's not like I'm going to shit on trans people for being trans, but that isn't healthy. It doesn't bother or affect me in any way, they aren't dangerous, but they aren't healthy.
Suicide rates are the same before and after sex-change surgery and it's 100% permanent. Most people freak out right after it, because they've never done anything that extreme. So I'm definitely opposed to those. It's mutilation plain and simple.
Here's one with Caitlyn Jenner: [url]http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/06/01/caitlyn-jenner-surgery-bruce-transition-woman-panic-attack/[/url]
We've come to the point where we're normalizing all behavior, and that isn't good for anybody.[/QUOTE]
The suicide rate thing is why I support the ban on transgenders in the military, which I guess is also an unpopular opinion. The military wouldn't let anyone with PTSD, depression, bipolar etc into a combat situation so why should it be different for trans people considering they have the same if not higher rates of suicide. Suicides due to combat stress are high enough
People with thick accents should be barred from jobs that are 90% communication, like phone-based tech support.
[QUOTE=gk99;52531125]People with thick accents should be barred from jobs that are 90% communication, like phone-based tech support.[/QUOTE]
To be fair thats the fault of corperations outsourcing to places like india. You cant blame some dude trying to make a honest living in a third world country.
[editline]2nd August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52531108]1. gender =/= biological sex. There's the first half of your post gone.
2. Never use the word impirically and say shit like this
Because there's nothing empirical about making sweeping conclusions in which you ignore a billion other important factors to fit an uninformed world view. Surgery is not, and is not thought to be some snap fix that makes all gender dysphoria disappear, especially when you have people saying shit like
[I][/I]
because surprise surprise we live in a world where, if you hadn't noticed by recent headlines, is chock full of people who will go out of there way to make trans people feel like unwelcome freaks of nature.
[editline]1st August 2017[/editline]
Bring back don't ask don't tell, and pull women out of the military as well for being disproportionately the victims of sexual assault, harassment and rape.
Because judging people based on their own merits is something we can't do in the 21st century apparently.[/QUOTE]
I guess you make a good point on everything. I still believe that the sex change operation is still simple genital mutilation and purely cosmetics. I mean, an man that changed into a woman doesnt have a real vagina and he cant have any actual kids. He is simply just a man with cosmstic surgery that makes him kinda look like a woman and he also indentify with the female gender.
Also I again dont want trans people to be bullied or discriminated
[QUOTE=Sky King;52530943]I believe trannys are mentally ill.[/QUOTE]
Let's rock
[QUOTE]Your chromozones and basic human biology dictate what you really are. You are not a women but just a very feminate guy.[/QUOTE]
this is a half-correct, as your chromosomes do dictate who you are, however, in spite of what some armchair sexologist may have told you, chromosomes, or more specifically allosomes, aren't as simple as "boy or girl," as there can be development issues with your sex and gender and it may not all line up, leading to gender dysphoria, which [I]is[/I] a mental illness, but just being transgender isn't, as many of the issues that come with it can be fixed through sexual reassignment.
[QUOTE]Sex change operations as it is doesnt actually change you into a women or man it just mutilate your sex organs to KINDA look like a vagina/penis.[/QUOTE]
You're leaving out some details here dawg. The most important being hormone therapy. To put it simply, if you have a sex change to transition from a woman to a man, you can get injected with testosterone, the male hormone. Then you get injected with antiestrogens that block estrogen. Granted, this isn't always a required part of the surgery and not everybody takes it, but it's prevalent enough that to ignore it is kinda dumb.
[QUOTE]From what Ive study the man-womans sex change is horrible and requires you to reinsert tubes to stop the wound from healing. [/QUOTE]
Yes, the surgery is painful, most surgeries are, this isn't really news to anyone. Also, you're leaving out a lot of information- what study? What wound? Which tube? Perhaps they need to wound open to preform the surgery, or maybe they're a crazy psycho surgeon, you tell me this shit and fuckin i dunno what you're talking about dawg. And besides, it's not like that wound will never heal.
[QUOTE]I know a couple transpeople and they usually look hideously deformed and look much more unhappy.[/QUOTE]
Then that's the fault of the doctors, or perhaps those people just didn't fully know what they were getting into. But there are still [I]plenty[/I] of cases where transsexuals are very happy with the transition and very much look how they want to look.
[QUOTE]If someone thinks they are a bird, or a tree, or a cloud, we call them mentally ill. We call addicts mentally ill, and people with eating disorders mentally ill, Why should we try to spare the feeling of the people who happen to believe something untrue about their gender or sex organs.[/QUOTE]
Do you know why mental illnesses are even classified as such? It's because they have a negative effect on the person with it. Like I said before, gender dysphoria is a mental illness, since your identity not aligning with your body and-more importantly- your hormones causes distress, confusion, depression, and other nasty shit, but just being transgender isn't a guaranteed risk for that.
[QUOTE]Suicide rates are the same before and after sex-change surgery[/QUOTE]
While suicide is still pretty prevalent post-surgery (not sure if it's the same as pre-surgery, though), I feel that this is an issue with society than a mental health issue. I mean, when you think about how big transphobia is, and how most transpeople who commit suicide are also the ones suffer from discrimination and harassment, it starts to make a little more sense.
[QUOTE]and it's 100% permanent[/QUOTE]
A sex-change is reversible, but only after a while, usually a year but it depends on the patient.
[QUOTE]Most people freak out right after it, because they've never done anything that extreme.[/QUOTE]
What do you expect? It's a big change, and it happens so suddenly, of course it's going to freak a lot of people out, but eventually, unless they misjudged themselves, they calm down. It's not like they wake up everyday and look down their pants and say "holY SHIT"
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52531108]1. gender =/= biological sex. There's the first half of your post gone.
2. Never use the word impirically and say shit like this
Because there's nothing empirical about making sweeping conclusions in which you ignore a billion other important factors to fit an uninformed world view. Surgery is not, and is not thought to be some snap fix that makes all gender dysphoria disappear, especially when you have people saying shit like
[I][/I]
because surprise surprise we live in a world where, if you hadn't noticed by recent headlines, is chock full of people who will go out of there way to make trans people feel like unwelcome freaks of nature.
[editline]1st August 2017[/editline]
Bring back don't ask don't tell, and pull women out of the military as well for being disproportionately the victims of sexual assault, harassment and rape.
Because judging people based on their own merits is something we can't do in the 21st century apparently.[/QUOTE]
You can't just openly admit trans people are more prone to suicide then say 'yeah but they're totally fine in combat situations' because not wanting more military suicides is somehow controversial and offensive. Again, we don't march for 'bipolar rights' and demand people with bipolar disorder be allowed into stressful combat situations..
But that's fine just keep going with your false equivalencies, that's true progression
[QUOTE=Cabbage;52531253]You can't just openly admit trans people are more prone to suicide then say 'yeah but they're totally fine in combat situations' because not wanting more military suicides is somehow controversial and offensive. Again, we don't march for 'bipolar rights' and demand people with bipolar disorder be allowed into stressful combat situations..
But that's fine just keep going with your false equivalencies, that's true progression[/QUOTE]
Pretty ironic that you talk about false equivalence and compare transgenderism and bipolar disorders in the same post.
Black people are statistically more likely to take a bullet. I guess we should bar them from service as well? Your reasoning just makes no sense.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52531293]Pretty ironic that you talk about false equivalence and compare transgenderism and bipolar disorders in the same post.
Black people are statistically more likely to take a bullet. I guess we should bar them from service as well? Your reasoning just makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
Gender Dysphoria and Bipolar Disorder are both primarily negative mental illnesses. Despite it well being possible for someone to have gotten their Bipolar Disorder under control they're still barred. I don't know why they aren't really comparable.
Being black isn't a negative mental disorder and problems thereof like you mentioned are a result of sociological and economic trends.
I'm not even saying I agree with the ban. I don't have enough information to go firmly one way or another, but I default to not supporting it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52529810]I'm not normally someone who says this but going by the trailer and what I've heard about the book, I legitimately, sincerely hope Ready Player One bombs.
When the trailer you put together for motherfucking Comic Con fails to tell me anything about the actual movie and instead seems to be more about cramming in as many references as you can, that's a [I]horrible[/I] omen. Even reading through the synopsis on Wikipedia, it reads more like one giant nostalgia wankfest than an actual story.[/QUOTE]
I feel like today's humor is just people referencing things and retreading ground. I get it already. Lots of stuff is awesome, which is why it's referenced. Stories have become cliched and continually pointing it out has also become cliched.
Just going "We're having so much fun!" doesn't translate when i want to watch a variety of movies instead of people continually pointing stuff out.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52530984]Atleast im posting a honest unpopular opinion of mines.[/QUOTE]
Okay, gold star for you, you're still gonna get shit on. That title exists for a reason.
Also, pro-tip: if you really don't mind trans people and don't want them to be discriminated and such, calling them 'trannies' just makes you look like a massive cunt.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52531382]Being black isn't a negative mental disorder and problems thereof like you mentioned are a result of sociological [...] trends.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying higher suicide rates among transgender people aren't?
[QUOTE=_Axel;52531596]Are you implying higher suicide rates among transgender people aren't?[/QUOTE]
Be careful about that, "transgender" is a pretty broad term, and includes people I'm not talking about and that the military actually probably takes. Someone simply calling themselves non-binary for example falls under that.
But yes, I do think gender dysphoria is harmful to those who have it, regardless of how tolerant society might try to be. The only way I can see that go away is if medicine advances to the point where the mind-body dissonance can be resolved at a young age.
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