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[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639482]I wish Bernie had never run I deeply respect the guy, his platform and his ideals but if he hadn't run we might not have Trump right now[/QUOTE] Yeah I wish there wasnt any decent politicans to vote for too. I perfer wall street backed rich folks that pretend to care and not actually do anything for the betterment of the lower classes. Fucking bernie who does he think he is? Being an honest politican and getting cheated out of an nomination?? Practically gave the presidency to Trump himself!

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639482]I wish Bernie had never run I deeply respect the guy, his platform and his ideals but if he hadn't run we might not have Trump right now[/QUOTE] What exactly is your logic here? There's no way you can construe this as somehow being Sanders' fault without really reaching.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52639494]What exactly is your logic here? There's no way you can construe this as somehow being Sanders' fault without really reaching.[/QUOTE] He likely drove a lot of hard left voters away from Clinton for good.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639530]He likely drove a lot of hard left voters away from Clinton for good.[/QUOTE] To Trump who is very explicitly far to the right of Clinton?

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52639531]To Trump who is very explicitly far to the right of Clinton?[/QUOTE] No, to become protest non-voters.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639538]No, to become protest non-voters.[/QUOTE] You are aware of the fact that Clinton still won the popular vote, right? And the only reason she lost the electoral vote had nothing to do with Sanders but because she decided to be a complacent retard and ignored her husband's advice subsequently ignoring the demographics that lost her the presidency. As I first said, trying to pin this on Sanders is seriously reaching. It's either incredibly dishonest or very very naive.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639530]He likely drove a lot of hard left voters away from Clinton for good.[/QUOTE] God forbid people vote for who they believe is an good canditate for presidency.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52639548]God forbid people vote for who they believe is an good canditate for presidency and not some sketchy popular person.[/QUOTE] I'm not blaming Bernie at all. I think that he set an excellent precedent with his campaign. I just think it's possible that it had the side effect of helping Trump into office.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639552]I'm not blaming Bernie at all. I think that he set an excellent precedent with his campaign. I just think it's possible that it had the side effect of helping Trump into office.[/QUOTE] Perhaps a minor effect, the DNC cheating him defineitly didnt help their image nor hillarys. But you are better off saying the DNC/Hillary more so then Bernie. Looking at the Butteryfly Effect, theres alot more things other than bernie that caused Trump's rise. You could even go back to Obama and blame him.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52639561]Perhaps a minor effect, the DNC cheating him defineitly didnt help their image nor hillarys. But you are better off saying the DNC/Hillary more so then Bernie. Looking at the Butteryfly Effect, theres alot more things other than bernie that caused Trump's rise. You could even go back to Obama and blame him.[/QUOTE] That might be a more reasonable position for me to take, yes.

God our voting system sucks, any system where the spoiler effect can exist clearly sucks enormous gorilla dick

[QUOTE=Sky King;52639404]Now I am not supporting murder or encouraging it. But after Joe Arpaio pardon. I can say that violent overthrowing of Trump is now excusable. "Worthy canditate for a pardon" trump said. Now before you go climb up your moral highground please remember that joe arpaio: He ran a jail he described as a “concentration camp.” Prisoners in his jails died frequently, often without explanation. An inmate who was paraplegic and asked for a catheter almost had his neck broken by one of his jailers. He [B]purposely botched hundreds of sex-crime cases of underage girls[/B]—oh, and ... one of his “sheriff’s posse” was indicted for child pornography. He marched only Latinx prisoners into a segregated area with electric fencing. A black woman horrifically lost her baby in his jail. A [B]prisoner baked to death in his cell at a temperature of 109 degrees.[/B] He sent a deputy to Hawaii to “look for Barack Obama’s birth certificate.” He was ordered to pay the Phoenix New Times co-founders $3.75 million dollars for false arrests and his people killed a puppy in a botched SWAT raid. If the president supports and even spend his time and energy to get him out of legal trouble(seriously this guy deserve life and worse) then it is safe to say that the white house is run by an illegitimate white supremist. Of course none of this is even consider a unpopular opinion at this point. But what my unpopular opinion is that I feel like we cant really judge or berate people anymore for understandablely being violent at times like these. We literally have nazis coming into power with a possible figurehead already in the highest political power in the world. There cannot be ANY tolerance for people like these. They must be snuffed out and destroyed as thats what they want to do to everybody else anyways. Its not like a couple of years ago when nazies and the KKK were just a joke that had shitty rallies and mostly ignored. The PRESIDENT just gave practical immunity to a white supremist after running a fucking concentration camp, torturing and killing a bunch of minorities. What is stopping a bunch of other Joe Arpaios from doing the same? In their mind the president justified their mentality and they may possiblely think they will get pardoned and be immune to civil rights laws as well. This is really is a very DANGEROUS precedant and I cannot criticize leftists or antifa any longer for assaulting neo-nazies. If you are supporting or a part of those facist group then you yourselves have become a threat to the democracy of this country and rightfully deserve a punch to the face and maybe worse. If you get your bones broken or beaten into a coma by a leftist while rallying for the KKK, then you deserve it. As fucked up as that sounds. The only downside of this is that thugs would don the leftists flag and use it as an excuse to attack innocents. A lot of apologists on here are really under estimating how bad things are getting. It may get much worse then this if ignored.[/QUOTE] I do get where you're coming from, but rhetorics like "you deserve to be punched in the face/worst" (particularly the "deserve" part) kinda make me think that people are calling out for violent action more out of schadenfreude rather than pure necessity even though punching Nazis may or may not be one of the things that's necessary for protecting democracy.

the DNC rigged the primaries so their pet Clinton would get in, then never treated trump as a legitimate threat and barely bothered to properly campaign so they lost

[QUOTE=Skerion;52639592]I do get where you're coming from, but rhetorics like "you deserve to be punched in the face/worst" (particularly the "deserve" part) kinda make me think that people are calling out for violent action more out of schadenfreude rather than pure necessity even though punching Nazis may or may not be one of the things that's necessary for protecting democracy.[/QUOTE] Do be fair the white supremists in charlottesville planned for violence to happened: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1576968[/url] They are pretty much domestic terrorists at this point.

Okay, so I figure Prusseluskin(?) was right about realistic guns in games making sense, since FO4's pipe guns don't make any sense at all. They look like brass pipes encased in cheap wood. The firing mechanisms must be made of magic or something.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52640142]Do be fair the white supremists in charlottesville planned for violence to happened: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1576968[/url] They are pretty much domestic terrorists at this point.[/QUOTE] That's kinda why I said I was understanding your point of view. I was just under the suspicion that seeing Nazis suffer was part of the motive for at least some of the people calling for them to get beaten up and etc (I mean, it wouldn't be surprising considering that they're Nazis who wants to kill everyone else. Probably shouldn't expect everyone to react to that like Jesus Christ would).

[QUOTE=Skerion;52640561]That's kinda why I said I was understanding your point of view. I was just under the suspicion that seeing Nazis suffer was part of the motive for at least some of the people calling for them to get beaten up and etc (I mean, it wouldn't be surprising considering that they're Nazis who wants to kill everyone else. Probably shouldn't expect everyone to react to that like Jesus Christ would).[/QUOTE] There would always be people that want to do it for the thrill of beating somebody up or being violent. They just use the them vs us mentality to excuse it. I personally love boxing and fighting in general(sport wise) so I guess you kind of right in a way lol

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52639552]I'm not blaming Bernie at all. I think that he set an excellent precedent with his campaign. I just think it's possible that it had the side effect of helping Trump into office.[/QUOTE] As did Hillary running in the first place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually want her as president aside from the "I think it's time we had a woman president" airhead stereotype I voted for Hillary but I'd be lying to your face if I told you I thought she was a decent presidential candidate.

People really need to seperate the left (the economic left) from issues like feminism/LBGTQ rights, anti racism/nationalism/whateverism. Someone can be a fascist and be all for LBGTQ rights. A good amount of hard left people don't give a shit about other issues, and some of them just seem to detract from a core argument.

Red Letter Media produces funny videos but as reviewers they actually kind of suck.

I don't think I'll ever see the appeal behind cars. People cream themselves when they see a certain model of a certain car company and I'm just like "...yeah i like the colour???". But, of course, different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52641139]People really need to seperate the left (the economic left) from issues like feminism/LBGTQ rights, anti racism/nationalism/whateverism. Someone can be a fascist and be all for LBGTQ rights. A good amount of hard left people don't give a shit about other issues, and some of them just seem to detract from a core argument.[/QUOTE] How exactly does one combine an inherently oppressive system with equal rights, especially considering that fascism inherently believes some people aren't equal to others? I mean, besides being an idiot who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52641394]How exactly does one combine an inherently oppressive system with equal rights, especially considering that fascism inherently believes some people aren't equal to others? ?[/QUOTE] No, you pick and choose what deserves equalness and what's inferior. Fascism isn't inherrently about racism (and probably not sexism) they're just lumped in out of convenience/popularism. Examining the (really intriguing) race policies of nazi germany and we have a few choice examples Gypsies, despite being considered Aryans, should be killed because they mingle with "asiatics" The japanese are honourary Aryans. Poles were a terrible race(and had important land)but Lithuanians were alright . Meanwhile, Musolini and franco had no problems with anyone (except maybe africans). Il Duce caved and started persecuting jews [I]because it helped diplomacy[/I]. By definition Fascism only needs "healthy" nationalism, an autocratic government, and a disregard for income inequality. You can pick and (un-democratically) choose what's alright; Gays are great, lesbians can burn, Free-masons should be lynched and we should all adopt green energy. So long as you all praise the flag and feel the national spirit, you too could be a happy little black-shirt. Just make sure you've got the "right" fascism for you.

[QUOTE=gk99;52640969]As did Hillary running in the first place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually want her as president aside from the "I think it's time we had a woman president" airhead stereotype I voted for Hillary but I'd be lying to your face if I told you I thought she was a decent presidential candidate.[/QUOTE] I totally agree with you. But I didn't post that facet of my opinion, because that's the portion of it that isn't an unpopular opinion. [editline]2nd September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=The Jack;52641650]No, you pick and choose what deserves equalness and what's inferior. Fascism isn't inherrently about racism (and probably not sexism) they're just lumped in out of convenience/popularism. Examining the (really intriguing) race policies of nazi germany and we have a few choice examples Gypsies, despite being considered Aryans, should be killed because they mingle with "asiatics" The japanese are honourary Aryans. Poles were a terrible race(and had important land)but Lithuanians were alright . Meanwhile, Musolini and franco had no problems with anyone (except maybe africans). Il Duce caved and started persecuting jews [I]because it helped diplomacy[/I]. By definition Fascism only needs "healthy" nationalism, an autocratic government, and a disregard for income inequality. You can pick and (un-democratically) choose what's alright; Gays are great, lesbians can burn, Free-masons should be lynched and we should all adopt green energy. So long as you all praise the flag and feel the national spirit, you too could be a happy little black-shirt. Just make sure you've got the "right" fascism for you.[/QUOTE] I feel like you've conclusively proved your opponent's point? Fascism trends towards oppression of minorities because the structure of fascism heavily encourages it. I'm not sure what your point is.

[QUOTE=Clovis;52642599]The ultra left may as well be the same as the ultra right [editline]3rd September 2017[/editline] honestly the far left are the worst type of people ive ever experienced. i wish i could begin to explain how bad the shit ive seen is[/QUOTE] My experiences have been precisely the opposite. I'd like to hear about yours.

[QUOTE=Clovis;52642599]The ultra left may as well be the same as the ultra right [editline]3rd September 2017[/editline] honestly the far left are the worst type of people ive ever experienced. i wish i could begin to explain how bad the shit ive seen is[/QUOTE] Yeah the people that want to commit genocide and take away civil rights of non-whites are as bad as the people that want to stop them from doing so.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52642848]Yeah the people that want to commit genocide and take away civil rights of non-whites are as bad as the people that want to stop them from doing so.[/QUOTE] to be honest if you go far enough on the left you'll eventually run into genocide apologists and those who want to take away your rights

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52642862]to be honest if you go far enough on the left you'll eventually run into genocide apologists and those who want to take away your rights[/QUOTE] Yeah and they make up a very very tiny percentage. Can you show me a good amount of nazies that dont hate minorities? You cant. Thats what nazies are. You cant be a nazi and not be racist. You might as well argue that if I look into all the zookeepers in the world hard enough. You will run into some shitty people. Its a pointless statement.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52642880]Yeah and they make up a very very tiny percentage. Can you show me a good amount of nazies that dont hate minorities? You cant. Thats what nazies are. You cant be a nazi and not be racist. You might as well argue that if I look into all the zookeepers in the world hard enough. You will run into some shitty people. Its a pointless statement.[/QUOTE] Quantity doesn't change quality of a person. It could be a 1:100,000,000 ratio of left extremist to right extremist, it doesn't matter, you're the only one arguing numbers because the statements being debated are completely qualitative.

[QUOTE=gk99;52642900]Quantity doesn't change quality of a person. It could be a 1:100,000,000 ratio of left extremist to right extremist, it doesn't matter, you're the only one arguing numbers because the statements being debated are completely qualitative.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying at this point if I meet some guy that still support Trump or wearing an KKK hood, I would be much more worried of them then meeting some typical college leftist that may have read a little too much Karl Marx.