[QUOTE=Sky King;52642908]I'm just saying at this point if I meet some guy that still support Trump or wearing an KKK hood, I would be much more worried of them then meeting some typical college leftist that may have read a little too much Karl Marx.[/QUOTE]
Your definition of "ultra left" seems to be a bit lacking if you think that's what he means.
If I meet some guy all dressed up in black who just beat down someone for stupid political beliefs, I would be much more worried of them than meeting your average Oklahoman 40 year old.
[QUOTE=gk99;52642916]Your definition of "ultra left" seems to be a bit lacking if you think that's what he means.
If I meet some guy all dressed up in black who just beat down someone for stupid political beliefs, I would be much more worried of them than meeting your average Oklahoman 40 year old.[/QUOTE]
Stupid political beliefs? Not believing in global warming is stulid political belief, thinking we should give tax cuts to the rich is stupid, thinking that gay marriage should be illegal is stupid.
Thinking that we should commit genocide, put non-whites in concentration camps and install an facist regime is beyond stupid. It's evil.
Sorry man I'm never going to lose any respect for a guy just because he beat up an nazi in this current political climate. I'd probably shake his hand.
Can I remind you that Trump pardon Joe Arpaio? A guy that literally ranned an concentration camp for minorites, had them tortured and imprisioned without due process or a trial, undermined hundreds of cases of sex abuses against little girls because they were latin american, let an prisioner die from heat in his cell, gotten an pregant black woman to lose her baby in his custody. Do you know how fucked that the highest office in this country and maybe the world believe he did nothing wrong? A lot of people died there with no explanation, weird right? Do you not noticed how encouraged and rallied up these white supremists are right now compared to a few years ago?
These guys are a legitimate threat now. When people like Joe can get a slap on the wrist now, what does that say to these white supremists?
Let me know when organized groups of leftist communists start commiting terror attacks and running cars into peaceful protesters then I might change my mind.
I'm am so tired of apologists and centrists keep trying to push what-aboutism and compare leftists to the altright/nazies as if they are in any way similar or worse.
I'm glad there are some people that are not spineless pussies that won't tolerate that kind of bullshit and won't try to crawl up some imaginary moral high ground to avoid offending some alt-right folks.
So, if horseshoe theory is correct, shouldn't we be seeing the same happening on the right side of the spectrum as well?
[QUOTE=Clovis;52643020]Is this really true? This is really more of a statement than a fact. I could easily say the opposite without even needing to cite examples and it would have the same meaning as what youre saying would[/QUOTE]
If you kept up on news threads in polidicks you'd know that it's not simply an opinion but is factual. On multiple occasions people have gone into threads there claiming the far left is just as bad as the far right only for people to get tired of it and provide evidence citing that something like 73% of political violence in the US since 2001 has been from far right extremists, 24% from Islamic radical extremists, and the rest from far left extremists.
So yes. Far left extremists are shit, just like any other extremist. But they are objectively not as big a concern as far right extremists.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52642990]This is meaningless, White tigers exist and so do white bunnies. A true statement, but what does that tell me about how often white tigers are born or if they're in enough numbers and pose enough threat to eclipse the impact of invasive rabbits?[B] Nothing. [/B] It's surface level observation fronting as understanding. If you want to go with you know, actually salient and up to date facts we can talk about when it comes to almost every issue in recent times, the snag and abuse comes from the right. Government's trying to take away peoples healthcare so they die of preventable deaths? Odd lack of donkey hoof prints there. Populace being fooled into a racist and falsely advertised political fantasy gone wrong? Labour was comparatively absent. New appointee to the FCC is trying to destroy net neutrality, pardoning a sheriff who ran concentration camps? kicking trans people out of the military? Discriminating against people based upon their religion? Suggesting the defunding of planned parenthood and food stamps to fund a border wall? Openly defending white supremacists after campaigning on a racist platform? [B]Shit somehow I think the Right, and I mean as a whole not just cherry picked extremists, as of late has been above and beyond worse than the left. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey man some random leftist beaten up some white guy for racist reasons. This means the millions and millions of minorites and poor people being effected by the alt-right's grab on the most powerful political office in the world is not as bad as that according to some apologists in this thread.
Rick and Morty sucks.
[QUOTE=Clovis;52643037]I'm not denying that the ultra-right exist. Never did, never well. In fact, the fact it does is kind of what my entire point is. It doesn't matter what way you lean, if you reach that level of ignorance, thats how bad things get. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, if you're so strongly into it that you're blinded, you will end up delving in horrible moral beliefs and actions without even realising it.
[editline]3rd September 2017[/editline]
If you take the time you read my post above, I cite the example of the BLM kidnapping of the white dude. If Black Lives Matter are fighting for the equal rights of black people, why are people in BLM kidnapping and tieing up a white dude with a mental disability? Because that's what happens when you're too far gone. Just like how nazis beat up black people. It's literally no different[/QUOTE]
Yeah 3-4 completely random assholes torture a fucking white guy. Its bad but stop fucking comparing it to the alt right and nazism. As if even 1 percentage of leftists does that type of shit.
Also you are spreading false bullshit those guys wasnt BLM lol. They were just some fucked up sociopaths. Besides anybody can say they are BLM doesnt mean every BLM or alot of leftists agrees with torturing somebody because of their skin color. But do you know who loves doing that? Most nazies.
Who argument is dumb as fuck. Stop trying to lumb up leftists with an handful of people doing racist fucked up shit. When the entire ideology of an nazi IS fucked up violent racist shit.
I mean I dont even know how much I can say anymore. You sound like somebody who spent way too much time on /pol/ and think being an hardcore leftist is the same as being those handful of violent rioters.
How can you even compare them to actual nazies. Have you been not watching the news at all this year? Did they teach you about WWII?
I just dont know why certain people just cant understand the huge difference. Its just completely mind bloggering
[QUOTE=Clovis;52643057]But what does this statistic even mean? By race, approximately 77% of the US are white, 13% are black, 5% are asian, not even 3% are "other/multiracial"
So 24% of political violence since 2001 was from Islamic Radical Extremists who dont even make up 1/20th of the population (assuming it puts either the 'asians' as the islams because some people do count people from the middle east as asians as the middle east technically is in asia, if not, its even less than that)
That's a testament to how 'off' the proportion is. It's pretty obvious to me that theres far more political violence from far right purely because there are more people who lean far right than lean far left. If the proportions were the same, we'd be leaning to a far closer statistic. Sure, they may not be exactly the same if it was 50/50, I see your point, but a) it is still a concern, b) we are leaning in that direction, c) this is a statistic from 2001-present which violence from the left is probably only going to increase and increase steadily, and d) we should really be aiming to put down the statistics all to -0- anyways[/QUOTE]
Cutting the rest out of the quote for brevity but you're kinda proving my point here. If you go by raw numbers there's actually a bit more left-leaning people in the American populace than right-leaning people. But for the sake of comparison let's assume they're right around 50-50% for both. That's still 3% versus 74%. The radial Islamists aren't actually even relevant here so I don't know why you're focusing on that piece in particular since we're comparing extreme leftists to extreme rightists. I only even included them because that was the full statistic posted.
Yes, extremists suck. But if you have two roughly equal portions of the populace meting out wildly disproportionate ratios of political violence it's pretty obvious you'd want to focus more on the one committing the greater amount of violence. Your entire argument is that both sides are equally shit, if not the leftists being worse. I'm stating that that's simply not true. Both sides are shit but one side is far far far more violent than the other.
[QUOTE=Clovis;52643037]I'm not denying that the ultra-right exist. Never did, never well. In fact, the fact it does is kind of what my entire point is. It doesn't matter what way you lean, if you reach that level of ignorance, thats how bad things get. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, if you're so strongly into it that you're blinded, you will end up delving in horrible moral beliefs and actions without even realising it.
[editline]3rd September 2017[/editline]
If you take the time you read my post above, I cite the example of the BLM kidnapping of the white dude. If Black Lives Matter are fighting for the equal rights of black people, why are people in BLM kidnapping and tieing up a white dude with a mental disability? Because that's what happens when you're too far gone. Just like how nazis beat up black people. It's literally no different[/QUOTE]
You did not answer my question. Point me an example of a person so far right, their beliefs become liberal.
Can you imagine being more upset of leftists that beaten up nazies than actual nazies and KKK LMAO.
You must have get an heart attack during those WWII veteran parades.
[QUOTE=Clovis;52643088]The question you posed was pretty damn vague. I thought i'd answered it be explaining to you that the same thing happens on both ends of the spectrum - you get unadulterated bigotry on either end
If your argument is the opposite and youre saying that far left beliefs are more liberal than far right beliefs, what are you referring to specifically?
[/QUOTE]
The horseshoe theory in it's most basic forms assumes that once someone moves far enough in the direction of a specific political leaning (left/right), the basically "overflow" in the opposite. However, this theory is used primarily by supporters of the right to point example on the Far Left. For the theory to be true, it must also apply in the same way to Far Right.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52643118]-The right engages in more political violence than the left to a disproportionate degree dwarfing both leftist and radical islamic violence.[/QUOTE]
The only caveat here is that Muslims make up a much smaller portion of the populace than right-leaning people so the 24ish% of violence coming from them is still disproportionate itself, even if the raw numbers are lower. But since the argument was that extreme leftists are just as dangerous as extreme rightists it's still pretty irrelevant since of the three demographics it's pretty clear that the extreme leftists are of the least concern.
[QUOTE=Clovis;52643088]The question you posed was pretty damn vague. I thought i'd answered it be explaining to you that the same thing happens on both ends of the spectrum - you get unadulterated bigotry on either end
If your argument is the opposite and youre saying that far left beliefs are more liberal than far right beliefs, what are you referring to specifically?
[editline]3rd September 2017[/editline]
Who said I was more upset of leftists beating up nazis than actual nazies and kkk? your argument is just a tout? this is all you can come up with is an abbreviated laugh after a statement that completely misses my point?
I'm more upset that you miss the entire point of what I'm trying to say. Is it really funny that i'm trying to make a point that being ultra left to the point of extremism is just as shit as being ultra right? I don't think its funny at all. You just sound like a child, and you're not doing any favours for the other folk in this thread that are actually trying to validly argue the point[/QUOTE]
I can barely understand the point you are trying to make anymore honestly. You made me think pretty hard about my beliefs and now I feel like I'm much more accepted to violence against nazies and the KKK than ever before now.
Your ignorance and arrogant atitude against leftists by making them seem like they are anything likd the alt-right has shown me that centralists are completely useless and drastic measures should be taken.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52643115]With all this noise I'm so glad we found a good unpopular opinion.[/QUOTE]
I gotchu fam.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52642990]This is meaningless, White tigers exist and so do white bunnies. A true statement, but what does that tell me about how often white tigers are born or if they're in enough numbers and pose enough threat to eclipse the impact of invasive rabbits?[B] Nothing. [/B] It's surface level observation fronting as understanding. If you want to go with you know, actually salient and up to date facts we can talk about when it comes to almost every issue in recent times, the snag and abuse comes from the right. Government's trying to take away peoples healthcare so they die of preventable deaths? Odd lack of donkey hoof prints there. Populace being fooled into a racist and falsely advertised political fantasy gone wrong? Labour was comparatively absent. New appointee to the FCC is trying to destroy net neutrality, pardoning a sheriff who ran concentration camps? kicking trans people out of the military? Discriminating against people based upon their religion? Suggesting the defunding of planned parenthood and food stamps to fund a border wall? Openly defending white supremacists after campaigning on a racist platform? [B]Shit somehow I think the Right, and I mean as a whole not just cherry picked extremists, as of late has been above and beyond worse than the left. [/B][/QUOTE]
you're talking about america right now, i'm talking about politics in general
i'm opposed to the far right and far left in equal measure, but for different reasons. yeah one group may be more powerful at the moment in time, but i don't think that means we should suddenly fall silent about their equally loathsome cousins
less than 30 years ago a far-left nutty country that committed genocide ruled one fifth of the earths surface, in thirty years another might, who knows? shit can change rapidly in a short time.
personally i believe that if you go too far in any direction on the political spectrum you'll find hateful morons in some form
[QUOTE=Bathtub;52643419]personally i believe that if you go too far in any direction on the political spectrum you'll find hateful morons in some form[/QUOTE]
That's not to say that there aren't cunts in the middle.
(but really, far left/right is a magnet for cunts because you've got the world view that something is wrong with society/everything else and it all needs to change, which is really attractive to the types that don't fit in)
But this takes me back into sociology class where New-Right/Marxist critique was really interesting and on point (even if they're opposed to eachother) and functionalist (some mellow centrist perspective) was just wishy-washy interpretations of how things might work now and nobody was really interested in it because it didn't have the gripping narrative of someone angry that you could rally behind.
[QUOTE=Bathtub;52643419]personally i believe that if you go too far in any direction on the political spectrum you'll find hateful morons in some form[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying that isnt true.
The past two pages are spenting arguing and ranting because there are still people on here that think radical leftists punching alt righters are as a big as an problem as the neo nazies that want to commit fucking genocide and trump's repeal of DACA that will effect millions of innocent people and may get them deported.
But oh no some liberal punch a guy so now they are trying to push the idea that both sides are just as bad. Which is completely retarded.
Basically:
If you go too far left, you'll run into shouty, insufferable wankers who harbor a strong dislike for protected majority groups
If you go too far right, you run into actually dangerous people who harbor ill intentions towards minorities.
The growing popularity of lootboxes make me sad tbh.
It's a horribly anti-consumer method of monetization, and unfortunately, it works VERY well.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52644336]The growing popularity of lootboxes make me sad tbh.
It's a horribly anti-consumer method of monetization, and unfortunately, it works VERY well.[/QUOTE]
Thread is for unpopular opinions, your opinion is shared by the vast majority of gamers. It's mostly just the companies themselves and their most loyal (fanatical) fans that disagree.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52642968]Stupid political beliefs? Not believing in global warming is stulid political belief, thinking we should give tax cuts to the rich is stupid, thinking that gay marriage should be illegal is stupid
Thinking that we should commit genocide, put non-whites in concentration camps and install an facist regime is beyond stupid. It's evil.[/QUOTE]
I hate to break it to you, but when you say
[quote]some guy that still support Trump[/quote]
you're grouping in a bunch of people whose biggest problem is ignorance. Those are the ones I was referencing. You felt it acceptable to compare the KKK to people who read political philosophy, so I don't see any issue with my comparison.
[quote]Sorry man I'm never going to lose any respect for a guy just because he beat up an nazi in this current political climate. I'd probably shake his hand.
Can I remind you that Trump pardon Joe Arpaio? A guy that literally ranned an concentration camp for minorites, had them tortured and imprisioned without due process or a trial, undermined hundreds of cases of sex abuses against little girls because they were latin american, let an prisioner die from heat in his cell, gotten an pregant black woman to lose her baby in his custody. Do you know how fucked that the highest office in this country and maybe the world believe he did nothing wrong? A lot of people died there with no explanation, weird right? Do you not noticed how encouraged and rallied up these white supremists are right now compared to a few years ago?
These guys are a legitimate threat now. When people like Joe can get a slap on the wrist now, what does that say to these white supremists?[/quote]
Yeah, it's a big fucked up issue starting at the top, let me know when the full-on nation-wide violent rebellion starts. As a standard ordinary citizen living in Oklahoma all I can do is go "look guys trump is bad" and "I fucking told you so" because our system of government isn't pushing these dipshits out of positions of power any time soon and this state will [I]never[/I] go democrat. We're gonna have to agree to disagree, because unlike you, I'm not condoning violence against the non-violent.
[quote]Let me know when organized groups of leftist communists start commiting terror attacks and running cars into peaceful protesters then I might change my mind.[/quote]
[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-berkeley-protests-20170827-story.html]Just because Tudd posts it doesn't mean it isn't real.[/url]
[quote]I'm am so tired of apologists and centrists keep trying to push what-aboutism and compare leftists to the altright/nazies as if they are in any way similar or worse.
I'm glad there are some people that are not spineless pussies that won't tolerate that kind of bullshit and won't try to crawl up some imaginary moral high ground to avoid offending some alt-right folks. [/quote]
Good for you? That's not what's happening here. This isn't what-aboutism, this is literally "people on this side of the fence are violent pieces of shit and also people on the other side of the fence are violent pieces of shit" because it's [I]true.[/I]
Jimmy Page is, with the exception of what he did with Stairway to Heaven, a completely mediocre blues guitarist
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;52644370]Thread is for unpopular opinions, your opinion is shared by the vast majority of gamers. It's mostly just the companies themselves and their most loyal (fanatical) fans that disagree.[/QUOTE]
Well, on facepunch.
We might trash PUBG, and CS:GO here, but that monetization is still incredibly successful among the actual playerbases of said games.
Internally among communities the most hate I've seen is among Overwatch fans, which is probably the most ethical implementation of lootboxes, and TF2 fans, who mostly hate it for the shattering of the game's art-style and the milking of a relatively unsupported franchise.
If you're gonna do a crate system, you'd better do all your art work in-house. As we've seen in TF2, letting the community do your work for you is a slippery slope to laziness. CSGO has avoided TF2's problems by having crate contents be entirely cosmetic.
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52644527]If you're gonna do a crate system, you'd better do all your art work in-house. As we've seen in TF2, letting the community do your work for you is a slippery slope to laziness. CSGO has avoided TF2's problems by having crate contents be entirely cosmetic.[/QUOTE]
who did the deus ex stuff because that was pre-workshop and it was garbage to look at?
[QUOTE=The Jack;52644540]who did the deus ex stuff because that was pre-workshop and it was garbage to look at?[/QUOTE]
Valve is also retarded so
[QUOTE=Luxuria;52643050]Rick and Morty sucks.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe it sucks but I certainly got tired of it.
Season 3 is much weaker than 1&2. All the gore, body horror, edginess, pessimism and fatalism the show shoves down your throat ended up losing its charm.
I find season 3 to be boring and predictable. It's like the authors are too afraid to try something new at this point.
It's always something dan harmon struggled with, most of his shows that got a huge fan following have stagnated in the later seasons
I don't like pickles by themselves, but don't mind if they're in a burger or something.
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