[QUOTE=myon;52649726]gamergate started out with honest intentions but quickly became this umbrella for a giant cesspool.[/QUOTE]
It's more like a few horrible people latched on to gamergate just so they could diss those "damn sjw's". As far as I recall though, most of those people were told to piss off
[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52649109]Gamersgate was dumb.[/QUOTE]
But thats where I get all of my horrible Russian budget games.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;52649755]It's more like a few horrible people latched on to gamergate just so they could diss those "damn sjw's". As far as I recall though, most of those people were told to piss off[/QUOTE]
"told to piss off" ?
I didn't really read the specific thread on FP that often. But on reddit, 4chan, 8chan, twitter, etc. they BECAME gamergate.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52649891]"told to piss off" ?
I didn't really read the specific thread on FP that often. But on reddit, 4chan, 8chan, twitter, etc. they BECAME gamergate.[/QUOTE]
Honestly the only websites which managed to keep that shit out were us and The Escapist. And only through heavy backlash from the existing communities against it. The chans and reddit are too fragmented to ever form a real, cohesive movement.
[QUOTE=StoneRabbit;52645038]I don't believe it sucks but I certainly got tired of it.
Season 3 is much weaker than 1&2. All the gore, body horror, edginess, pessimism and fatalism the show shoves down your throat ended up losing its charm.
I find season 3 to be boring and predictable. It's like the authors are too afraid to try something new at this point.[/QUOTE]
I think season 3 is better than season 2.
Gamergate had the same problem that Occupy Wall Street had and that Anonymous and Black Lives Matter have to an extent now.
There's no leadership so any chucklefuck can claim to do something in their name so long as it tangentially relates to their goals.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52649891]"told to piss off" ?
I didn't really read the specific thread on FP that often. But on reddit, 4chan, 8chan, twitter, etc. they BECAME gamergate.[/QUOTE]
Yeah in the beginning. But when people (not on the chans) figured out stuff like how Milo had been writing articles and tweets about how gamers were [insert ad-hominem here], they had to spend a lot of time saying that they didn't approve of this guy and his cronies. That was pretty much universally believed on here and for those who weren't part of the alt-right.
You may not have noticed them because the alt-right kindergarden was the vocal minority and the nature of the Chans, Twitter, and Reddit. There's also the huuuuge smear campaign lead by the journalists and people like Anita and Wu, who's got a pretty rapid fanbase of their own
[QUOTE=gokiyono;52650293]Yeah in the beginning. But when people (not on the chans) figured out stuff like how Milo had been writing articles and tweets about how gamers were [insert ad-hominem here], they had to spend a lot of time saying that they didn't approve of this guy and his cronies. That was pretty much universally believed on here and for those who weren't part of the alt-right.
You may not have noticed them because the alt-right kindergarden was the vocal minority and the nature of the Chans, Twitter, and Reddit. There's also the huuuuge smear campaign lead by the journalists and people like Anita and Wu, who's got a pretty rapid fanbase of their own[/QUOTE]
I don't really think you're using the term "vocal minority" correctly.
Gamergate wasn't dominated by facepunch and the escapist. The overall tone and culture that reflects it WAS from those websites and YouTube. The chans were quite literally its birthplace. Even milo threads were still wildly popular on r/KiA and whatnot up until he became famous for defending kiddy fiddling.
GamerGate was fucking embarrassing.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;52650338]GamerGate was fucking embarrassing.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it really achieved anything, tbqh. All I saw was people desperate to politicize playing video games
Gawker did lose a decent amount of money from pulled advertisements but AFAIK that's all it really achieved.
I stopped following it when milo and his audience came in.
I just want my games journalism to not be fucking garbage. As far as I'm aware, that's what the original point of the movement was, but then it just degraded to a bunch of retarded monkeys flinging shit at each other with media articles consistently telling half truths and high-profile people tweeting angrily about something they knew nothing about, leaving the dipshits on both sides who send death threats and other nonsense because ???
It was just a fucking [I]mess[/I].
[QUOTE=gk99;52650410]I just want my games journalism to not be fucking garbage. As far as I'm aware, that's what the original point of the movement was, but then it just degraded to a bunch of retarded monkeys flinging shit at each other with media articles consistently telling half truths and high-profile people tweeting angrily about something they knew nothing about, leaving the dipshits on both sides who send death threats and other nonsense because ???
It was just a fucking [I]mess[/I].[/QUOTE]
Calling it pure at start is also pretty inaccurate.
It'd be better to say that, throughout the whole thing, there were certain people who were in it for reasonable ethical concerns. Otherwise though, it's pretty transparent from logs, and who the early ringleaders were that anti-SJWism and whatnot were very much embedded from the beginning.
To be honest, my introduction to GG was through "Gamers are Dead" articles that just popped up one day much to my confusion. From then on, shitflinging amongst GG/AGG intensified and when I looked back, GG was overtaken completely by Alt-Right as a vehicle for "I told you so!".
[editline]5th September 2017[/editline]
Although to be honest, it did have it's roots in what was a personal drama amongst journalists, and I have only been following FP side of it, which appears to have been the closest to the sane approach.
The aftermath of GG is that we all accept that games journalism is trash and we're fine with just sorta ignoring it
tbh GG started out noble enough but it ended up seemingly normalizing the alt-right on the internet
I really don't remember being as open and embraced as it is now before GG happened.
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52650849]The aftermath of GG is that we all accept that games journalism is trash and we're fine with just sorta ignoring it[/QUOTE]
Really people should have already been aware of that. With journalism in general you have to know how to work you way around the trash.
Far leftists are much more dangerous to Jews than the far right Nazis. The far right are honest with their anti semitism while the left hides it until it's acceptable like with the whole Chicago dykewalk scandal.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52655200]Far leftists are much more dangerous to Jews than the far right Nazis. The far right are honest with their anti semitism while the left hides it until it's acceptable like with the whole Chicago dykewalk scandal.[/QUOTE]
What is Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
Also what do you consider anti-semitism? Pointing out whenever a guy who happens to be jewish does something wrong or not wanting to spend spend billions in "aid" to an apartheid state?
[editline]6th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52648937]He lacks tact but at the very least people who still support Trump at this point are at least comfortable with most of the decisions he makes, or are holding out for specific policies while treating the stuff they find disagreeable as "collateral damage". They might think Arpaio is a scumbag and not have any real problem with Dreamers who have made a productive life for themselves in the US but if uprooting people from the only country they have ever known and pardoning a monster who once bragged about running a concentration camp in the middle of the desert is the cost of *maybe* paying less taxes in the next two years, or *maybe* being defended by a stronger military, so be it.
As for mentally handicapped, I know many Trump supporters personally (county voted 58% Trump and has voted red the past 3 elections) and while I'd describe none of them as handicapped, I have observed ignorance regarding policies like healthcare, immigration, trade, etc.
I disagree with Sky King's conclusions regarding the necessity of violence and I don't totally disagree with your views on left v right extremism (one of them is objectively more dangerous, and it's currently the one enjoying institutional power in the US government), but I empathize with the frustration of watching ones head of state gleefully tear down the institutions around him purely out of loathing for his far-superior predecessor and seeing the people around you act like everything is fine.
[editline]5th September 2017[/editline]
I guess the question would be if inaction makes you complicit. Would I be a racist if I don't particularly care one way or the other about a persons race, completely abhor Joe Arpaio, but still support Trump in other regards?
This is why people are worried about groups like Antifa using violence against non-violent people they see as racist, or fascist, or whatever label you want to put on Trump then which can be put on everyone who supports Trump even if they aren't themselves racist or fascist.[/QUOTE]
I guess you make a good point. Thank you for making a real argument instead of just shitposting and calling me ignorant for questioning the motives of current Trump supporters.
But back to it, why would somebody support a guy like Trump because of simple low taxes and ignore all the other crazy shit?
If somebody told you they fully support Hitler only because of his stance on socialized healthcare I bet you would look at him a funny way.
Also if a man is in the streets, at a KKK rally, wearing white KKK robes and shouting "white power!" would you really blame me to assume they are racist?
[QUOTE=Sky King;52655791]What is Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
Also what do you consider anti-semitism? Pointing out whenever a guy who happens to be jewish does something wrong or not wanting to spend spend billions in "aid" to an apartheid state?[/QUOTE]
I've explained to you how Israel is not an apartheid state multiple times.
Nazis are not a danger anymore. They are not the mainstream in the right wing and are a small minority of right wingers. Antisemitic rhetoric on the left, on the other hand, is becoming more popular. When Jews get attacked, leftists don't care unless they can twist the event in such a way as to benefit them. Leftists got upset when Nazis yelled anti semitic things in Charleston but then act morally righteous when they ban Jews from LGBT marches because they dared to wave a LGBT flag with a Star of David on it. saying that the flag reminded them of Israel.
The worst part is how this way of thinking has poisoned left wing Jews into attacking their own people.
I've seen a leftist Jewish group invite a Palestinian terrorist who murdered 2 Israeli civilians to give a talk about resisting the right wing, completely ignoring the fact that she put a bomb in an Israeli supermarket to kill civilians whose only crime was being Jewish and Israeli. This same leftist Jewish group warns about the danger of right wing extremism. I see leftist Jews supporting Hezbollah (whose leader has expressed a desire for all Jews to gather in Israel so that the Jewish people can be wiped out at once) and Palestine (Hamas wants to kill all Jews and the Palestinian Authority pays terrorists a lot of money to carry out terror attacks against the Jews).
The Nazis are a concern but they are a minor one because they have essentially no political power. They are also honest about their antisemitism while the left hides their antisemitism behind codewords like "anti zionism". I'm more concerned about leftists who enable Arab terrorism and the mass import of refugees into Europe that then attack Jews in their new country, forcing the Jews to escape to Israel to be safe. Compare these enablers to Nazis who dress up in costumes and play pretend and it's obvious which is more dangerous for Jews.
Nazism is only one type of anti semitism. Anti semitism can and will come from both sides of the political spectrum. Many people have only been taught about the Holocaust but the Holocaust is only unique in terms of scale and raw efficiency of people being killed. I was taught about multiple purges of Jews by many ideologies. Jews have been prosecuted by many different ideologies and peoples ranging from the Greeks to the Romans to the Rhineland Massacres to the USSR. The Holocaust was the biggest and worst of all of these events but it wasn't the last attempt at the genocide of Jews. The last attempts at the genocide of Jews were in 1948, in 1967, and in 1973. Modern Nazism has nothing compared to Nazism in the 40s and people should recognize that right wingers don't have a monopoly on anti semitism.
I can't stand "arena modes" in games. Being killed cheaply and waiting 6 minutes just to respawn and have it happen all over again. No.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52655911]I've explained to you how Israel is not an apartheid state multiple times.
Nazis are not a danger anymore. They are not the mainstream in the right wing and are a small minority of right wingers. Antisemitic rhetoric on the left, on the other hand, is becoming more popular. When Jews get attacked, leftists don't care unless they can twist the event in such a way as to benefit them. Leftists got upset when Nazis yelled anti semitic things in Charleston but then act morally righteous when they ban Jews from LGBT marches because they dared to wave a LGBT flag with a Star of David on it. saying that the flag reminded them of Israel.
The worst part is how this way of thinking has poisoned left wing Jews into attacking their own people.
I've seen a leftist Jewish group invite a Palestinian terrorist who murdered 2 Israeli civilians to give a talk about resisting the right wing, completely ignoring the fact that she put a bomb in an Israeli supermarket to kill civilians whose only crime was being Jewish and Israeli. This same leftist Jewish group warns about the danger of right wing extremism. I see leftist Jews supporting Hezbollah (whose leader has expressed a desire for all Jews to gather in Israel so that the Jewish people can be wiped out at once) and Palestine (Hamas wants to kill all Jews and the Palestinian Authority pays terrorists a lot of money to carry out terror attacks against the Jews).
The Nazis are a concern but they are a minor one because they have essentially no political power. They are also honest about their antisemitism while the left hides their antisemitism behind codewords like "anti zionism". I'm more concerned about leftists who enable Arab terrorism and the mass import of refugees into Europe that then attack Jews in their new country, forcing the Jews to escape to Israel to be safe. Compare these enablers to Nazis who dress up in costumes and play pretend and it's obvious which is more dangerous for Jews.
Nazism is only one type of anti semitism. Anti semitism can and will come from both sides of the political spectrum. Many people have only been taught about the Holocaust but the Holocaust is only unique in terms of scale and raw efficiency of people being killed. I was taught about multiple purges of Jews by many ideologies. Jews have been prosecuted by many different ideologies and peoples ranging from the Greeks to the Romans to the Rhineland Massacres to the USSR. The Holocaust was the biggest and worst of all of these events but it wasn't the last attempt at the genocide of Jews. The last attempts at the genocide of Jews were in 1948, in 1967, and in 1973. Modern Nazism has nothing compared to Nazism in the 40s and people should recognize that right wingers don't have a monopoly on anti semitism.[/QUOTE]
This post is a huge mess:
1. Are you really complaining about racism and antisemitism by leftists because they let refugees flee war torn countries? Then say those arabs are killing a bunch of jew across europe? I might be misinformed but i'm pretty sure those hundreds of thousands of arabs are not in the streets commiting genocide. That part of your post seemed pretty damn racist and islamophobic itself.
2. Just because a handful of jews support some terror groups and bad people doesnt mean leftists at whole is a threat. They are defineitly not more of a threat then nazies and alt righters. I mean you cant really be an nazi without being antisemitic. Can I also get an source on your claims? I have a very big doubt that theres some sort of major movement within the Jewish community to exterminate themselves.
3. Can we not pretend that nazies and alt-righters didnt just shout bad things at Charlestown. A group of them planned violence in online chats and gave instructions on using cars to run over counter-protesters. [B]Which one of them actually did.[/B]
4. Anti-zionism is not being anti-semitic lmao. Just because some leftists doesn't let you use your race/religion as an excuse to do unmoral shit doesnt make them racist. You are not entitled to get away with shit because of your genes. There is a pretty clear distinction between the two. [B]i am not saying zionism is immoral.[/B] But other people who are against the idea of jews stealing land of palestinians doesnt make them all racist. Do you really think white-supremists and nazies care about arabs?
Your claim that leftists being more dangerous then right-wing extremists is not just out-right wrong but completely delusional.
Also that comment about arab refugees taking over Europe to kill jews is just insane wtf lol. Please reconsider where you get your infomation because it sounds like somebody is trying to radicalize you, I know for a fact you didnt come up with this shit from any real world experience.
Why is there so much political garbage in here jfc, take it to Polidicks will ya?
[QUOTE=INH;52657308]Why is there so much political garbage in here jfc, take it to Polidicks will ya?[/QUOTE]
Maybe because political opinions are still opinions which are, y'know, relevant to the thread topic? If you don't want political opinions here then go make an "Unpopular opinions (no political opinions allow)" thread and anyone who agrees with you can go use it.
Political opinions are fine, these random political arguments that last for multiple pages are just really silly.
[QUOTE=INH;52657346]Political opinions are fine, these random political arguments that last for multiple pages are just really silly.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that the entire point of a forum is to have discussions with other users, right? There's literally no issue with people discussing differences in their opinions here. Just ignore it if you have a problem with it.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52657351]You do realize that the entire point of a forum is to have discussions with other users, right? There's literally no issue with people discussing differences in their opinions here. Just ignore it if you have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]
I never said discussion was bad, I said these random multi-page political arguments are silly. Please stop using a strawman.
[QUOTE=INH;52657353]I never said discussion was bad, I said these random multi-page political arguments are silly. Please stop using a strawman.[/QUOTE]
Uh, that wasn't a strawman because that's literally what you're complaining about? This multi-page argument is kinda two people discussing things related to an unpopular opinion???
I think that VR isn't the future but MR stuff like Microsoft's hololens and is getting closer to what the future of business will be.
Augmented reality is going to be huge, but it's farther off than you'd think.
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