[QUOTE=_Axel;52352333]Has it ever occured to you that perhaps they have already tried all the shit you say they should?
Besides, depression is a mental illness. If someone ended up killing themselves chances are they weren't in a healthy state of mind to begin with, and thus don't have the clearest of judgement. To say that they deserve to die for that is abhorrent and despicable.[/QUOTE]
Oh that's right,nothing gets better,let's all slit our wrists then eh
In all seriousness,trying everything I said should already end the problem for the most part.I mean,needless to say it's harder with depression as I know from experience,but it's still all entirely possible.
[QUOTE=That's that;52352361]Oh that's right,nothing gets better,let's all slit our wrists then eh[/QUOTE]
???
Where have I ever said that? Do you have to strawman my point because you lack the mental capacity to understand it in the first place?
Or are you trying to divert the discussion from you saying people who commit suicide because of bullying deserve it?
[QUOTE]In all seriousness,trying everything I said should already end the problem for the most part.[/QUOTE]
It's becoming abundantly clear you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=That's that;52352158]Why wouldn't they be able to unless they're completely isolated,somehow?[/QUOTE]
You should quit looking only at your immediately personal environment and trying to apply it to everyone else. In many countries you can't simply go see a therapist. And on top of that one's personal environment can vary wildly meaning you may not have supportive people around you. So in this situation what exactly do you expect them to do?
[QUOTE=That's that;52352173]Uh,how?When I was bullied for 2 months,I worked up the courage to punch the dude in the stomach.He realised I had enough of his shit and still teased me but never bad mouthed me or messed up me or my stuff[/QUOTE]
Wow, a whopping two months. I feel so sorry for you having to go through such an extended period of bullying. That's insane compared to the YEARS others all too frequently have to go through.
[QUOTE=gk99;52352216]wow cool good for you. here in america that'll get you suspended because of zero tolerance policies.
Take your head out of your ass for long enough to catch a glimpse of the rest of the world and realize that your anecdotal experience means nothing to the millions of other kids on the planet.[/QUOTE]
I was bullied for years and I consider myself lucky compared to some people I know. Throughout all of elementary school and part of middle school I got bullied constantly and every time I finally got rid of one bully another would show up. The bullies themselves, however, were not even the problem. The problem was a combination of America's absolutely [I]brilliant[/I] zero tolerance policies resulting in me getting a more severe punishment than the bully whether I threw a punch or not (because being bullied constantly I'd be getting in trouble more than the bullies since there were a lot of them and one of me) and the fact my dad was an abusive asshat who would actually beat me if I did nothing to defend myself or otherwise did defend myself but not up to my standards.
I only stopped getting bullied when I was forced into an anger management school (because understandably you tend to develop some pretty severe anger issues in such unhealthy circumstances) and that carried on throughout highschool where people were forced to respect me because I was both athletic and got good grades. The only time someone attempted to bully me it actually ended up with him eventually getting expelled and me getting several days of lunch detention for finally losing my patience after a good 45 minutes of his bullshit and punching him in the mouth. And even then I only actually got punished specifically because of my school district's zero tolerance policy. The principal flat out told me that he couldn't fault me for my actions. (Though it did help that I ratted myself out because somehow only a single person, who had no intention of tattling on me, saw me throw the first punch but everybody including the teacher saw him retaliate.)
[QUOTE=kilerabv;52352359]A bully isnt going to stop when you get an adult on their ass. It doesnt work that way. Many of them will view you as an easyer target to pick on.[/QUOTE]
Or the bullies parents will just rush to their defences saying that they are good kids that would never do something like that
[QUOTE=gokiyono;52352376]Or the bullies parents will just rush to their defences saying that they are good kids that would never do something like that[/QUOTE]
"What do you mean my child's bad? Are you questioning me on how I raise my kids?"
I would say the biggest problem when it comes to conversing about bullying is that it ranges from calling someone doodoo head to having someone come home each day bruised and bleeding.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;52352408]I would say the biggest problem when it comes to conversing about bullying is that it ranges from calling someone doodoo head to having someone come home each day bruised and bleeding.[/QUOTE]
Would be part of the reason this thread is going nowhere
[QUOTE=That's that;52352418]Would be part of the reason this thread is going nowhere[/QUOTE]
no the reason this thread is going nowhere is because you're too resistant to reason and others' viewpoints. you think that your viewpoint being contrarian means that you must understand something that others don't, that you're in on some deeper secret and that if only others could see the light as well they would agree with you.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52352444]no the reason this thread is going nowhere is because you're too resistant to reason and others' viewpoints. you think that your viewpoint being contrarian means that you must understand something that others don't, that you're in on some deeper secret and that if only others could see the light as well they would agree with you.[/QUOTE]
"part of the reason"
"part"
Either way,I dropped it already because I made a fun thread the opposite of most ideas of fun.
[QUOTE=CookieRobot;52350425]sonic the hedgehog has never had a good game. I'm talking about the old ones too.[/QUOTE]
I unironically like the Sonic Adventure games.
Also Shadow the Hedgehog would've been a decent game if it kept the gameplay but was literally anything other than a sonic spinoff trying [I]waaaay[/I] too hard to be edgy.
[QUOTE=That's that;52352173]Tell them I'm a pessimist and have them talk with a friend I have,she's very kind and supportive and helpful to everyone,she honestly wouldn't mind talking.
[editline]13th June 2017[/editline]
Uh,how?When I was bullied for 2 months,I worked up the courage to punch the dude in the stomach.He realised I had enough of his shit and still teased me but never bad mouthed me or messed up me or my stuff[/QUOTE]
Oh Wow, 2 whole months! Try [del]5[/del] 6 fucking years of your life, try being in a hell you can't escape, I stopped going to school completely for about 2 years because it got so bad, because my anxiety (caused from the bullying) meant that I physically couldn't get up in the morning, and if I did I would throw up, I got so bad that when I was 15/6 it got to the point where I was stood on a chair with a rope around my neck, so no, it isn't easy, you can't just punch them, you can't just move school, because word gets around.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52351958]
To be fair we only see her for like two seconds, probably easier to animate a single word being uttered than entire conversations.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't CGI for [sp]Leia, that was a lookalike brought in to mimic Leia during A New Hope because NO AMOUNT of CGI or makeup could fix Carrie Fisher bless her soul.[/sp]
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;52355106]That wasn't CGI for [sp]Leia, that was a lookalike brought in to mimic Leia during A New Hope because NO AMOUNT of CGI or makeup could fix Carrie Fisher bless her soul.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Im pretty sure it was a combination of a lookalike with touches of cgi to really sell it
I believe democracy and direct voting is a dumb idea as the common man generally has little to no knowledge of the intricacies of politics or economics.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52356717]I believe democracy and direct voting is a dumb idea as the common man generally has little to no knowledge of the intricacies of politics or economics.[/QUOTE]
this would work out if not for the fact that politicians also have little to no knowledge either, often to a worse extent than a normal man would be
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52357580]this would work out if not for the fact that politicians also have little to no knowledge either, often to a worse extent than a normal man would be[/QUOTE]
politicians have the means to get in touch with experts on these subjects
they just dont care and want votes and "are tired of experts"
Tf2 went to shit after 2015 and not before
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;52357601]politicians have the means to get in touch with experts on these subjects
they just dont care and want votes and "are tired of experts"[/QUOTE]
i don't trust putting the experts in charge either, ruling is something they're not meant to be doing
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52357580]this would work out if not for the fact that politicians also have little to no knowledge either, often to a worse extent than a normal man would be[/QUOTE]
Who has knowledge then, you?
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52357781]Who has knowledge then, you?[/QUOTE]
ordinary people yeah
the point is that if you vote badly or well in a direct democracy, the consequences most immediately affect the people doing the voting
direct democracy (as practiced in places like Switzerland) is much preferable to large centralised governments (like Russia, America, or China) ruling over a whole continent
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52357804]ordinary people yeah
the point is that if you vote badly or well in a direct democracy, the consequences most immediately affect the people doing the voting
direct democracy (as practiced in places like Switzerland) is much preferable to large centralised governments (like Russia, America, or China) ruling over a whole continent[/QUOTE]
The problem with this is that the consequences are often far-reaching and exert themselves over a very long timescale that most people are unable to perceive without having given the issue extensive study and thought. Most people aren't able or willing to put that kind of effort into considering such issues.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52357824]Most people aren't able or willing to put that kind of effort into considering such issues.[/QUOTE]
Outside of a dictatorship this is going to be a problem in any government. I'd rather have my vote mean something than know that as a democrat in Oklahoma (an [I]incredibly[/I] republican state) my vote isn't worth the pencil I use to mark my votes.
More people need to take rhetoric classes and learn about argumentation, I'm 100% sick of seeing people use "No True Scotsman" fallacies in regards to any religion.
"ISIS aren't REAL Muslims"
"Doing X as a Christian means you aren't really a Christian" and so on.
Stuff like this basically
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[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52357824]The problem with this is that the consequences are often far-reaching and exert themselves over a very long timescale that most people are unable to perceive without having given the issue extensive study and thought. Most people aren't able or willing to put that kind of effort into considering such issues.[/QUOTE]
the swiss have been handling a lot of it fine for the past 800 years (in addition to a plethora of numerous city states and autonomous regions) in spite of (or perhaps because of) their extremely decentralized political system
if the issue affects you more directly and you have a bigger say in it, you'll give the attention more thought.
the other advantage of decentralization is that bad decisions are localized and can't affect other areas, and those areas which enact the best policies will naturally be emulated by their neighbours. if a bad decision is made in a centralised system it will ride roughshed over everyone and will be much more difficult to reverse
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52356717]I believe democracy and direct voting is a dumb idea as the common man generally has little to no knowledge of the intricacies of politics or economics.[/QUOTE]
But voting for a candidate based on their economic policy isn't really different than voting on the economic policy directly in that regard.
I'd argue that voting on one issue is far easier than voting in an election, where you have to research the stance of each candidate/party on multiple social and economic issues and decide which matter most.
The Hangover movies are like stoner comedies, but for people that get shitfaced instead.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52358140]More people need to take rhetoric classes and learn about argumentation, I'm 100% sick of seeing people use "No True Scotsman" fallacies in regards to any religion.
"ISIS aren't REAL Muslims"
"Doing X as a Christian means you aren't really a Christian" and so on.
Stuff like this basically
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I've taken formal logic classes in college and have been doing arguments for a while but I've never really understood No True Scotsman honestly. Like, ISIS are indeed Muslim, but is it that much of a stretch of logic to say that they are not an accurate representation of the global Muslim population? And is it really that outlandish to say that the worst of a community (this comes up a lot in arguments about Feminism and the like) shouldn't entirely delegitimize that community or the movement that they represent?
It would be nice if people could see what things are on their own merits and drawbacks that are independent from their fringe extremist proponents, but often, when I say I'm a feminist, all I get is people shoving videos of people like the Hugh Mungus woman shoved in my face.
A bad movie is better and much more entertaining to watch than a boring movie.
Same statement goes for [I]at least[/I] games as well.
[QUOTE=MacD11;52360448]A bad movie is better and much more entertaining to watch than a boring movie.
Same statement goes for [I]at least[/I] games as well.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a pretty common sentiment. It's why "bad movie nights" are a thing.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52359263]I've taken formal logic classes in college and have been doing arguments for a while but I've never really understood No True Scotsman honestly.[/QUOTE]
It's an Ad-Hoc fallacy used to dismiss counter claims by redefinition, and is similar, at least in part, to moving goalposts.
[quote]The no true scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one’s position. Proposed counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the theory is about.[/quote]
[quote]When a universal (“all”, “every”, etc.) claim is refuted, rather than conceding the point or meaningfully revising the claim, the claim is altered by going from universal to specific, and failing to give any objective criteria for the specificity.[/quote]
So like, say you're Christian and you're talking with another Christian friend about your beliefs. You state that you believe women should be allowed abortions, and that it doesn't make you any less of a Christian. Your friend then claims "No real Christian would allow women to get abortions".
He shifted the definition of Christian to suit his argument, instead of seeing that there are many Christians who have varying beliefs on a variety of topics, and that "real Christians" have to adhere to some dogma, rather than, believe in Jesus Christ and derive their beliefs from the Bible (at least in some form).
Here's a post from Quroa that explains it better than I ever can tbh
[quote]“No true Scotsman would ever wear underwear under his kilt.”
That may well be true for a great many Scotsmen, but a Scot wearing a kilt and underwear is still a Scot, even if he’s behaving in some way that most other Scots disdain.
These days, we see it in attempts by various folks of various religions attempting to disclaim any responsibility for the shittier behavior of some among their ranks. Peter Flom’s abortion clinic example is one common manifestation.
A desire to distance oneself from odious groups like Westboro Baptist is another.
It’s a fallacy because in both cases, both of those groups are Christians, and they are motivated by the same Christianity that the folks doing the distancing are practicing - they just don’t want to be associated with it. The fallacy is in the claim that no “true” christian would do x or y or z, where those things don’t actually determine somebody’s christianity.
Someone is a christian (very loosely) if they profess that christ’s crucifixion is necessary to atone for their sin, and they “accept” in one fashion or another, through baptism or or some other means the necessity of christ’s “sacrifice.” Beyond that, all other bets are off. Being a nice person doesn’t make you a “true” christian. Being a racist doesn’t make you a “non-christian.” Being anything some other christian may dislike doesn’t change the fact that the disliked person is still a christian.
A Scotsman remains a Scotsman, with or without underwear under his kilt. That’s because the conditions that determine his Scottishness aren’t about the underwear.[/quote]
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