[QUOTE=gk99;53117232]"Yeah uh...it's a male...with short black hair..."
"What color are they?"
"I can't say that, SIRIUS doesn't think it's important."
It really kinda fucking does until you get to the point of police sketches.
[editline]8th February 2018[/editline]
Maybe one day they'll tell us what "Agent" is.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, yeah sure, use those words as descriptors, but don't pretend like race is as simple as black, white, Hispanic etc
[editline]8th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=The golden;53117297]Humans come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, tones, colours, and weights. These are all physical characteristics and there should never be anything shameful or inappropriate about them.
You're not directly saying it, but I think you're getting hung up on skin colour as if it's a "naughty" thing that shouldn't be mentioned. I really hope this isn't true because there are so many things wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
No, what I'm saying is that it's not a really good way to determine anything other than the most basic background and description
Really SIRIUS is touching on something considered to be quite a problem where, especially when describing members of other races, the most detail given doesn't go much past something like "black male with short hair," reinforcing racial profiling.
Clothes, behavior, and especially stuff like tattoos are much more useful. Don't omit visible race ofc, but if you see something you should look for and report much more.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53117500]Really SIRIUS is touching on something considered to be quite a problem where, especially when describing members of other races, the most detail given doesn't go much past something like "black male with short hair," reinforcing racial profiling.
Clothes, behavior, and especially stuff like tattoos are much more useful. Don't omit visible race ofc, but if you see something you should look for and report much more.[/QUOTE]
This
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53117500]Really SIRIUS is touching on something considered to be quite a problem where, especially when describing members of other races, the most detail given doesn't go much past something like "black male with short hair," reinforcing racial profiling.
Clothes, behavior, and especially stuff like tattoos are much more useful. Don't omit visible race ofc, but if you see something you should look for and report much more.[/QUOTE]
More information will always be useful when searching for a suspect, but I was talking about people parroting that race is only a social construct, which is effectively like plugging your ears and saying that biology and genetics don't exist and that aside from social perceptions, there are no differences between races which is just patently and scientifically incorrect
[QUOTE=Zombinie;53117653]More information will always be useful when searching for a suspect, but I was talking about people parroting that race is only a social construct, which is effectively like plugging your ears and saying that biology and genetics don't exist and that aside from social perceptions, there are no differences between races[/QUOTE]
I've never met or seen anyone with that opinion
[QUOTE=Zombinie;53117653]More information will always be useful when searching for a suspect, but I was talking about people parroting that race is only a social construct, which is effectively like plugging your ears and saying that biology and genetics don't exist and that aside from social perceptions, there are no differences between races[/QUOTE]
That isn't really what people mean when they say that race is a social construct. They mean that you can't, for example, identify all black people as bike thieves and you can't identify asian people as maths geniuses, etc
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53117720]That isn't really what people mean when they say that race is a social construct. They mean that you can't, for example, identify all black people as bike thieves and you can't identify asian people as maths geniuses, etc[/QUOTE]
But that's not race, that's racism. They should use the proper words that mean the thing they want to convey with those words.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53117720]That isn't really what people mean when they say that race is a social construct. They mean that you can't, for example, identify all black people as bike thieves and you can't identify asian people as maths geniuses, etc[/QUOTE]
Then they're not actually saying what they mean since claiming race is a social construct (as opposed to racial stereotypes, which is such a blatantly obvious claim to begin with that one shouldn't really even need to voice that opinion) has some very clear connotations that they apparently don't mean to imply. So they should word things differently to avoid that communications issue.
Never cared for Seinfeld.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;53117725]Then they're not actually saying what they mean since claiming race is a social construct (as opposed to racial stereotypes, which is such a blatantly obvious claim to begin with that one shouldn't really even need to voice that opinion) has some very clear connotations that they apparently don't mean to imply. So they should word things differently to avoid that communications issue.[/QUOTE]
This is similar to how when you say something tastes bad, and people get annoyed with you because you are "stating your opinion as a fact". When people say that race is a social construct then people are talking about stuff like that, and not what shade of brown you are
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53117765]This is similar to how when you say something tastes bad, and people get annoyed with you because you are "stating your opinion as a fact". When people say that race is a social construct then people are talking about stuff like that, and not what shade of brown you are[/QUOTE]
This isn't all that similar at all though. Your example just revolves around the person failing to specify it's their opinion. My example is a complete miscommunication of what the person meant to begin with. Even by failing to specify that the opinion in your example is just their opinion, the basic point they're trying to get across still gets across nonetheless.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53117463]Oh come on, yeah sure, use those words as descriptors, but don't pretend like race is as simple as black, white, Hispanic etc[/QUOTE]
It pretty much is, though? The more detailed you get, the discussion becomes more about ancestry and genetics rather than race. It's used as a low-detail base descriptor along with whatever other attributes the person in question has.
[quote]No, what I'm saying is that it's not a really good way to determine anything other than the most basic background and description[/QUOTE]
If you recognize this then I'm not sure what makes you confused about race being more than "just a social construct" then.
[editline]8th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53117765]This is similar to how when you say something tastes bad, and people get annoyed with you because you are "stating your opinion as a fact". When people say that race is a social construct then people are talking about stuff like that, and not what shade of brown you are[/QUOTE]
They, as Alice is saying, are failing to use the English language correctly, then. "Racial profiling" is a social construct, race itself is an actual thing.
MRA is identity politics for anti feminist morons
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53117720]That isn't really what people mean when they say that race is a social construct. They mean that you can't, for example, identify all black people as bike thieves and you can't identify asian people as maths geniuses, etc[/QUOTE]
Eh, I don't know stereotypes specifically are what people are referring to, but the very categories themselves and how we use them.
Scientifically, you can't justify something like "black, white, hispanic, asian" as categories. Human hablogroups DO exist however, they just aren't usable in day-to-day life and "pure" groups don't really exist.
But we don't actually care about that, aside from delusional idiots, we mostly use race for cultural purposes. In different cultures, and in different times, the concepts that are used to define race have varied wildly. The "white" race for example is actually very new. In old Europe, such as feudal Europe and Rome, how you behaved, where you lived, and the language you spoke defined your race, and they did not think they were part of a "white race." And even recently with the Nazis, they had multiple classifications for white Europeans, tiering one above another. That's the social construct, and the science doesn't matter. (for one more example, obama is "black" because of the one-drop rule and where he grew up.)
Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait for reactionary types and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
wtf
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait for reactionary types and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
Like, I really don't understand what you're saying
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait for reactionary types and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
Are the "reds" communists or republicans, I don't get it
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait for reactionary types and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if it's Jack being Jack or PUI?
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait for reactionary types and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
Bro, I wanna know what you've been smoking. So I can stay far away from it.
[QUOTE=gufu;53118202]I'm not sure if it's Jack being Jack or PUI?[/QUOTE]
Is there any effective difference?
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]Where I live and the circles i move in gender politics has men'n women is either totally equal or very near so it's hard to imagine that westerners who are very militant about it have complaints that are way more important/valid than more pressing issues.
Also. I think people actively like throwing fuel into the fire. The last star wars movie was fucking bait for reactionary types and you'd be an idiot not to see it. The bad purple haired admiral in the shit dress, the plain asian girl in the jumpsuit that espouses weak morality (totally doesn't represent china, the actor isn't chinese after all!), whatever people want to complain about with Rey (She wasn't so bad with this one)
Yes folks, Disney are totally pandering to the demands of SJWs, they're not making outstandingly shit characters to undermine the left but rather to support them and attack the values that support America, disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
dont post when you hit the pipe too damn hard
:what:
I don't give a shit about what beer you place before me - domestic or some microbrewery product from a guy in a manbun with a dirty beard - if it tastes nice, I'll like it. I'm not going to like it just because it's small batch or whatever. Something can be made in small quantities and still be shit. Far too many people are snobbish about shit they know nothing about, because they buy into all the marketing copy and get warm and fuzzy.
icecream with nuts in it is the worst invention known to humanity and anyone that eats icecream with nuts embedded inside the piece of shit they must also enjoy the texture of licking gravel as well because thats exactly what its like
everyone that disagrees with this post is a filthy gravel licker
[QUOTE=hunter_killah;53118442]icecream with nuts in it is the worst invention known to humanity and anyone that eats icecream with nuts embedded inside the piece of shit they must also enjoy the texture of licking gravel as well because thats exactly what its like
everyone that disagrees with this post is a filthy gravel licker[/QUOTE]
c r o n c h
[QUOTE=The Jack;53118158]disney have always been there for the reds.[/QUOTE]
I want this framed holy shit
At this point, i'm convinced that even [i]Bethesda[/i] would be a better owner for the STALKER IP than GSC Game World. But if it were up to me, Crytek would be the better choice due to Crysis' gunplay and weapon attachment system, and Prey's system performance.
Nah hear me out (after I've had a good sleep at least).
The amount of videos on youtube about the last star wars film being social justice trash is really high. But my thoughts are that Disney made "social justice trash" because it aligns people with the political viewpoints of disney (against the left and "pc culture"). They were going to make money from a star wars film regardless of quality, so putting in political messages/aggregation to influence people can't backfire. Media influences the way people see things.
Disney are a right wing company, it's in their interest to be right wing, it's about 50% of an industry. So it's in their interest to make bad characters that'll trigger conservatives/undermine liberals. Every major female character, bar leia, triggers the shit out of conservatives and the messages they have to deliver are muddled and poorly delivered. That's not because disney have been caving to the demands of progressives, but because they've made bad characters to undermine progressives.
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