[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19401493]So it's right to protect someone from themselves?
Am I the only one in this thread who thinks that sex is perfectly fine at [I]any[/I] age and the dad should be beat into oblivion for this? What the fuck, Facepunch, you disgust me again.
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Now don't throw "the brain's not fully developed" shit at me. Doesn't matter, it's developed far enough to make its own, thought-out decisions.[/QUOTE]
So you'd let your [b]14 year old[/b] child play on a cliff edge because they thought it was ok? Or you wouldn't mind them adopting an elephant herd for your back yard?
It is the parents responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of their child, the same way as it is the parents responsibility to discipline a child when they are bad.
Not only that, but if she'd become pregnant then who'd be responsible for looking after the baby? Who'd be legally responsible for allowing the minor to have sex? Who is going to pay for the baby when the child can't even work because they'd be a school? The parents. Were those kids planning on buying a house and moving in together? Oh course not, they'd be living in their parents house, who I very much doubt would want another kid suddenly appearing without any thought given to themselves.
Whatever way you look at the burden of pregnancy and the resulting baby would be on the parents, and at the same time it is the parents responsibility to look after the well-being of their child.
Besides, at 14 if your parents don't want you having sex it is damn well their decision, not some kid.
And yes, a 14 year old mind is not fully developed, and most are certainly not developed enough, nor had enough life experience to understand the full consequences of their actions.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19401643]No, I mean "any age". If you feel like getting yourself hurt then go for it.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19401643]No, I mean "any age". If you feel like getting yourself hurt then go for it.[/QUOTE]
Is this the Darwin school of parenting? Leave sharp knives everywhere and see which one of your kids survives the longest?
Why not make it into a profitable betting business?
"My money's on the baby, he can't reach the knife drawer."
"Ah yeah, but what about the bear traps?"
And if you can't make enough of your own contestants there's always adoption!
Where are ze pictures?
[QUOTE=Hivemind;19401786]So you'd let your [b]14 year old[/b] child play on a cliff edge because they thought it was ok? Or you wouldn't mind them adopting an elephant herd for your back yard?[/quote]
I would probably try to stop them from playing on a cliff edge because that would alert the humane part in me. And I would mind them adopting an elephant herd for my backyard because it's my backyard, not theirs.
[quote]It is the parents responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of their child, the same way as it is the parents responsibility to discipline a child when they are bad.[/quote]Which is exactly where I disagree with you. Parents should tell their children how the world works, not force them to behave like the world wants them to behave, just tell them how the world wants them to behave and why they wouldn't get far if they don't behave like that. They should only resort to disciplining a child if it breaks the law. (and sex should NEVER be a crime if it's consensual). And parents should feed their children until they are able to go to work and move out.
[quote]Not only that, but if she'd become pregnant then who'd be responsible for looking after the baby?[/quote]The kid. It's not like she couldn't have aborted the child or get it adopted or something like that. It's her own problem. [quote]Who'd be legally responsible for allowing the minor to have sex?[/quote]Again, shouldn't be illegal. [quote]Who is going to pay for the baby when the child can't even work because they'd be a school? The parents.[/quote] Most certainly not. The kid would be in debt, it's that simple. Her child would probably be taken away from her and put in a children's home if she can't feed it. Just like it's done with adult parents. [quote]Were those kids planning on buying a house and moving in together? Oh course not, they'd be living in their parents house, who I very much doubt would want another kid suddenly appearing without any thought given to themselves.[/quote] Well they'll have to take it, that's part of their parental responsibilities (which they are themselves responsible for).
[quote]Besides, at 14 if your parents don't want you having sex it is damn well their decision, not some kid.[/quote] Ugh.
[quote]And yes, a 14 year old mind is not fully developed, and most are certainly not developed enough, nor had enough life experience to understand the full consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE] They can, however, understand that actions can have consequences they don't comprehend.
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and thanks in advance for ridiculing me because I'm 14 myself.
[QUOTE=Hivemind;19401827]Is this the Darwin school of parenting? Leave sharp knives everywhere and see which one of your kids survives the longest?
Why not make it into a profitable betting business?
"My money's on the baby, he can't reach the knife drawer."
"Ah yeah, but what about the bear traps?"
And if you can't make enough of your own contestants there's always adoption![/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about babies. Babies are quite obviously not able to understand [I]anything[/I].
I'd like to point out in many cultures people get married fairly soon after puberty and sometimes even have babies, because they can.
Nowadays kids just skip the baby part until a better time... ideally.
All I can say
:fireman:
[QUOTE=BackflipHatchetAttack;19266967]
"I'm being dumped on by a family member"[/QUOTE]
Being dumped [b]ON.[/b]
Sounds like scat sex to me. Mixed with incest.
[b]GET THE FUCK OUT[/b]
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19402153]I would probably try to stop them from playing on a cliff edge because that would alert the humane part in me. And I would mind them adopting an elephant herd for my backyard because it's my backyard, not theirs.
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Exactly, they are only 14, they can't have their own house, they can't even work properly, IT WILL be their parents the responsibility will fall on.
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The kid. It's not like she couldn't have aborted the child or get it adopted or something like that. It's her own problem.
Again, shouldn't be illegal.
Most certainly not. The kid would be in debt, it's that simple. Her child would probably be taken away from her and put in a children's home if she can't feed it. Just like it's done with adult parents.
Well they'll have to take it, that's part of their parental responsibilities (which they are themselves responsible for).
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And if this happened it would be [b]the parents[/b] debt and responsibility, not theirs. That's how the law works, arguing for a change in the law is different from arguing that the parents are idiots.
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They can, however, understand that actions can have consequences they don't comprehend.
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[i]You[/i] may be able to, and may actually care, most kids either do not realise or do not care.
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Which is exactly where I disagree with you. Parents should tell their children how the world works, not force them to behave like the world wants them to behave, just tell them how the world wants them to behave and why they wouldn't get far if they don't behave like that. They should only resort to disciplining a child if it breaks the law. (and sex should NEVER be a crime if it's consensual). And parents should feed their children until they are able to go to work and move out.
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So essentially chavs.
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Thanks for taking the time to read this, and thanks in advance for ridiculing me because I'm 14 myself.
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Your argument comes down to pretty much this: Normal society, except the age at which people should become adults and 100% legally responsible should be 14 or even younger.
Maybe this would work, but I doubt it. Maybe you'd have some points if you were presenting this to the house of commons, but this is about the parents reaction to this, not the morals of the law.
This isn't the way our society works, so back to my original point, under our current society, I would say the parents not wanting their children to have sex at 14 is perfectly reasonable.
[QUOTE=Big Ben;19267249]Okay, I'll stop, but only after this:
I've known a girl since she and I were 9, (we're actually you're age) this means I can go commit a crime (underage sex is illegal, incase you didn't know) just because I've known her 5 years? Best friends or not, it's wrong. Her dad was right for punishing her.[/QUOTE]
It's Illegal??? They are under the criminal age, What's gonna happen? Nothing. There's nothing wrong having sex at a young age, it's human, no state should put a law on this... Naaah, maybe Texas..
I thought the criminal age in America was actually much lower than 14.
DrTaxi, you really don't see the entire picture here, and until you are quite a bit older I doubt you will. I'm not coming down on you for being 14, you seem fairly intelligent, but it's about experience as well.
Did you read my other post? [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=19390155&postcount=131[/url]
Let me put it this way: Children in America have had much more personal freedom in recent years than before. Think of the difference between 1940 and 2010. In school, we have been teaching children about sex, about STDs, about pregnancy and child-care usually sometime between age 10 and age 14. They have even been giving condoms out at some schools. And yet, teen pregnancy is on the rise. About one in three girls are pregnant before the age of 20.
If a child gets pregnant in this country, the burden falls on the parents of said child.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/07/10/teen.pregnancy/index.html[/url]
Let me add to this - With the increased personal freedom that children have today, juvenile crime has also gone way up.
Stop caring.
So basically you're saying minors should be prohibited from having sex because their parents will have to bear the consequences then?
[QUOTE=DiscoPony;19408612]If a child gets pregnant in this country, the burden falls on the parents of said child.[/QUOTE]
Considering parents have the responsibility over their daughters' children, they could make their daughters abort their children anyway.
[QUOTE=DiscoPony;19408612]Let me add to this - With the increased personal freedom that children have today, juvenile crime has also gone way up.[/QUOTE]
Restricting personal freedom to lower the risk of crime? Ugh.
Also, did you read my post? If they're unable to take responsibility, they should do what adults do if they're unable to take responsibility for something: Give the children up for abortion, be punished by law (for criminal offenses in general) etc.
My point is that if children can't take responsibility for something they did, then they fucked up. And they should know that, so it's entirely their problem.
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(I hope I'm not blabbering nonsense here as I'm finding it hard to express my thoughts on this for some reason)
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19409468]Restricting personal freedom to lower the risk of crime? Ugh.
Also, did you read my post? If they're unable to take responsibility, they should do what adults do if they're unable to take responsibility for something: Give the children up for abortion, be punished by law (for criminal offenses in general) etc.
My point is that if children can't take responsibility for something they did, then they fucked up. And they should know that, so it's entirely their problem.
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I read your post, but you missed my point. Perhaps I wasn't being very clear.
As for personal freedom/crime goes, here's my point: We've been handing the reigns over to the kids for a while now. Kids get to make their own decisions and do their own thing in more situations than yesteryear, but kids also get into much more trouble than yesteryear. Freedom isn't the only factor here, but it is a major part of it. I'm not saying that kids should be on 24/7 lockdown until they turn 18. I'm just saying that most kids can't handle this kind of freedom and be expected to do the good thing versus the bad thing. Peer pressure is a major player in this.
As far as abortions go, they are not cheap. At a low-cost abortion clinic in the United States, it is about $350. Adults can afford to pay for it because adults have a reliable source of income, but most children do not. Then you have to figure the psychological factor into it. Some adult women become depressed after an abortion, and teenagers are at a much higher risk of becoming depressed.
There's a lot of gray area in this subject. Some kids are very responsible at 13-14 and always do what's best for themselves, some people don't ever become responsible even into their 30's and 40's.
I would have beat the shit out of the guy fucking my daughter (if I had one), anyway for the advice...just wait you can't do anything anyway..
Either way, the Dad in this situation still did the wrong thing. He's totally ruined this girls short term life.
She's been split up from her boyfriend and friend whom she's very close too. She's been taken out of her family home, from her mother, father and siblings. Then forced to live with her aunt, who she may not like, may not be a very good parent or have a good home.
It's likely she'll also have to move schools and overall probably feels incredibly rejected by her parents and may become severely depressed.
Then again, why has the OP stopped posting in this thread?
BackFlipHatchet, or whatever, give us an update why don't you?
[QUOTE=Halahazam;19267453]Why are you whining making some sort of a crime, and secondly, where are you living? If two underage persons are having sex in Finland, it is completely legal.[/QUOTE]
Get me on the next flight
talk to her dad or some shit like that, not much you can do mate.
i should know, my mom kicked me out 5 years ago without any reason, pretty much nothing to do.
as long as shes under 18 her dad can move her anywhere he wants
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