HEMA/Historical Warfare v. 1 "Strike in and hasten forth; rush to, let it hit, or go by."
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We have a HEMA thread?
Here's some of my gear:
[thumb]http://i62.tinypic.com/16c71ax.jpg[/thumb]
Unfortunately there's practically nobody around here to practice, do drills, or spar with. Most people will spar once or twice for fun, but nobody wants to actually practice or get better.
It would be really nice if there were local classes or something. There's an MMA school around every corner, why can't there be HEMA schools?
[QUOTE=Smashmaster;47589654]We have a HEMA thread?
Here's some of my gear:
[thumb]http://i62.tinypic.com/16c71ax.jpg[/thumb]
Unfortunately there's practically nobody around here to practice, do drills, or spar with. Most people will spar once or twice for fun, but nobody wants to actually practice or get better.
It would be really nice if there were local classes or something. There's an MMA school around every corner, why can't there be HEMA schools?[/QUOTE]
Not big enough yet, especially not in the USA. Use the communitywalk link I posted in the OP! Or, google around.
Also good idea with the gear, I should post an image of mine as well. In the meantime, here's what another member in the club brought for the medieval weekend in Stockholm:
[img]https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/1382961_10206332739906462_1070616375053543881_n.jpg?oh=eda365d4c3aa817109b6be3d2cbee1ba&oe=55979D88[/img]
and an AP jacket under the tabard.
I like the sword. Who made it?
Pavel Moc! I think almost half of the club has swords by his design.
They look neat. Except for the parry guard but that would be nitpicking.
Do you happen to have a link to a website where you can see and buy his swords?
[url]http://www.swords.cz/[/url]
can also google pavel moc swords.
I own one a Violett model sword, and my instructor a Liechtenauer, except custom, with a shorter crossguard and a different balance. He loves Pavel because when he ordered his sword, he only gave the smith an instruction on how it should handle and feel in the hand in regards to balance etc, and the sword he got was not only at a huge discount because of delays, it was also much better than what my instructor expected, so that's probably why he talks so good of Pavel all the time.
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[img]https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11080855_10206213670449800_3342460968343166549_o.jpg[/img]
To put some media in the thread, that model is based both on this image and some historical finds.
[QUOTE=Smashmaster;47589654]We have a HEMA thread?
Here's some of my gear:
[thumb]http://i62.tinypic.com/16c71ax.jpg[/thumb]
Unfortunately there's practically nobody around here to practice, do drills, or spar with. Most people will spar once or twice for fun, but nobody wants to actually practice or get better.
It would be really nice if there were local classes or something. There's an MMA school around every corner, why can't there be HEMA schools?[/QUOTE]
You could try talking to the guys in charge of the MMA school, see if they'd be interested in trying it out.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;47610685][url]http://www.swords.cz/[/url]
can also google pavel moc swords.
I own one a Violett model sword, and my instructor a Liechtenauer, except custom, with a shorter crossguard and a different balance. He loves Pavel because when he ordered his sword, he only gave the smith an instruction on how it should handle and feel in the hand in regards to balance etc, and the sword he got was not only at a huge discount because of delays, it was also much better than what my instructor expected, so that's probably why he talks so good of Pavel all the time.
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The prices aren't too shabby no.
Do you just email the guy, say what you want and transfer the money on paypal?
I've been looking for a new sword recently (there is no such thing as having too many swords laying around.) and I really like the Lichtenauer.
Why did your instructor want a shorter cross guard?
In his preference, the normal length was too long, and wanted to reduce the chance of the crossguard hitting his arm if he was swinging around a lot. I think it also helped balance the fact that the blade spine was 2 mm thicker or some such. It's a heavy piece, 2.2 kg. I believe the original without alterations is 2.0 or 2.1. My Violett is 1.9 kg but feels like 0.0 because, in my opinion, the balancing is immaculate. A few people in the club have bought similar after feeling the one I have. Right now I'm ordering a scabbard from him, but it's going slow. I wonder if he forgot.
And yes, you just email to get an order going. I'd say feel free to ask as much as possible before deciding. Also expect at least 3-4 months delivery and more if you ask for something custom. Overall though, you should be satisfied.
One of my own swords weigh in at about 2.5kg. I'm used to swinging heavier than normal swords around :v:
Besides, as long as the balance is right you wont feel the weight that much.
going along with posting kits, here's my sca one
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Y7QklzD.jpg[/t]
it's a generic, quasi-14th century set of armour if you squint hard enough.
i've lost around 10 kilos since i first got it tho and now it doesn't fit me anymore. i'll get another one, hopefully a late 16th century one, when i finish losing weight.
Is there plate behind the leather? Looks nice. What does the weapon represent?
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;47623554]Is there plate behind the leather? Looks nice. What does the weapon represent?[/QUOTE]
the legs are a mixture of boiled leather and plate. as for the middle light coloured strip of leather with rivets, no that doesn't have plate. it's an anachronistic belt (c-belt) a lot of people use in the sca for attaching leg armour. it's not historical in any way and imo it's quite uncomfortable. also it would be impossible to have any sort of tight fitting placard with the extra bulk of the belt and gambeson.
[video=youtube;dMdNbPQipB0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMdNbPQipB0[/video]
this guy shows the more historical and comfortable way of attaching leg armour (he does note that the vest itself is non-historical but the textile based suspension and the arming doublet he shows at the end are completely historical).
the weapon is "supposed" to represent a sword, with red tape that marks the edges. it's been used a lot so you see the tape coming off a bit. for safety reasons, we can't solely use fingered gauntlets as hand protection which is why there's big ugly plastic "basket hilt" on it. a more historical cross-hilted sword would require a clam-shell/mitten gauntlet. i'll switch to a metal basket hilt when i get my 16th century kit started.
What is the sword made of? And yeah, I've seen that suspension before, guy in my club who made the armour made a vest like taht.
the sword is made with a rattan stick and wrapped with fibre tape. there's supposed to be a padded thrusting tip on my one but it got pretty banged up during sparring so i'm replacing it.
I see. If I may be so bold to ask, why did the SCA never pick up sparring with steel? Everytime I see fights, it seems as if you guys pack some heavy protection, as is also evident form your image. Good padding behind all that plate and you'd definitely come out unharmed from an engagement with steel.
Was rattan preferred since you guys more often engage in group battles?
This seems really cool, I'd love to do it. Can't see myself finding many people in Adelaide though.
[QUOTE=Reds;47624355]This seems really cool, I'd love to do it. Can't see myself finding many people in Adelaide though.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://sites.google.com/site/indesfechtschule/[/url]
I told you to use the community map in the OP! Now get fencing!
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And tell me what it's like!
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;47624275]I see. If I may be so bold to ask, why did the SCA never pick up sparring with steel? Everytime I see fights, it seems as if you guys pack some heavy protection, as is also evident form your image. Good padding behind all that plate and you'd definitely come out unharmed from an engagement with steel.
Was rattan preferred since you guys more often engage in group battles?[/QUOTE]
hm, it's a difficult question to answer. it's important to note however that the sca started in the 60s after a bunch of college students had a medieval themed party and started whacking each other with sticks. i can't imagine the sca not doing that anymore.
from what i understand, sca rattan fighting is between full on botn steel fighting and light metal sparring. there's a lot of people i know who want to fight full contact but not to the extreme lengths the botn does. there's also the fact that you can't thrust in botn style combat which could be problematic to a lot of sca people, especially the ones who use spears lol. safety concerns about frequent group battles and "wars" is a factor since rattan sticks are less likely to seriously hurt someone than steel. i can throw a heavy blow to someone's unprotected shoulder with a rattan stick without worrying of seriously injuring them. i won't do the same thing if i had a blunt steel weapon in my hand, especially if i had some sort of pole weapon. people who do want to fight with steel can easily do both the sca and botn/acl.
there's also a lot of gaps in my armour and a generic scadian kit; a sword strike can easily slip between my over-sized helmet and gorget and hit my jaw. so i guess it's a mixture of safety, comfort and budget reasons. although, there's an attempt here by the more experienced and well armoured members to include steel weapons and historical techniques. so it might become something that sca could also do.
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;47624389]hm, it's a difficult question to answer. it's important to note however that the sca started in the 60s after a bunch of college students had a medieval themed party and started whacking each other with sticks. i can't imagine the sca not doing that anymore.
from what i understand, sca rattan fighting is between full on botn steel fighting and light metal sparring. there's a lot of people i know who want to fight full contact but not to the extreme lengths the botn does. there's also the fact that you can't thrust in botn style combat which could be problematic to a lot of sca people, especially the ones who use spears lol. safety concerns about frequent group battles and "wars" is a factor since rattan sticks are less likely to seriously hurt someone than steel. i can throw a heavy blow to someone's unprotected shoulder with a rattan stick without worrying of seriously injuring them. i won't do the same thing if i had a blunt steel weapon in my hand, especially if i had some sort of pole weapon. people who do want to fight with steel can easily do both the sca and botn/acl.
there's also a lot of gaps in my armour and a generic scadian kit; a sword strike can easily slip between my over-sized helmet and gorget and hit my jaw. so i guess it's a mixture of safety, comfort and budget reasons. although, there's an attempt here by the more experienced and well armoured members to include steel weapons and [B]historical techniques[/B]. so it might become something that sca could also do.[/QUOTE]
I thought anacronism was a big deal :v:
Ah, well, I understand the safety concerns. While our club doesn't own synthetics, it's part of regulation that people spar on their own conditions that they agree on themselves. This actually works in creating a safe environment for all participants, but of course accidents happen.
[QUOTE=Reds;47624355]This seems really cool, I'd love to do it. Can't see myself finding many people in Adelaide though.[/QUOTE]
if you're interested in the sca, there's a pretty big group in adelaide:[URL="http://www.sca.org.au/innilgard/"]http://www.sca.org.au/innilgard/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=G-Strogg;47624407]I thought anacronism was a big deal :v:[/QUOTE]
ha, it's a never ending debate about how anachronistic the sca should be. some argue that it should be kept as minimal as possible or we just shouldn't care. which is why you get stuff like this...
[t]http://i.imgur.com/uHQxiGx.png[/t]
and stuff like this
[t]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xZ0r6AaDmpI/UWNpFvwPNEI/AAAAAAAAAVw/eBJXOYRxvXs/s1600/DSC01075.JPG[/t]
in the sca. i personally don't care about what others do in the sca but i do aim to be as historically accurate as i can be (when money allows it).
[quote]Ah, well, I understand the safety concerns. While our club doesn't own synthetics, it's part of regulation that people spar on their own conditions that they agree on themselves. This actually works in creating a safe environment for all participants, but of course accidents happen.[/quote]
sounds pretty good. it's similar to what we do when we spar but during tourneys, wars and melees, a marshall has to make sure everything we use follows the rules (which is sometimes not entirely a good thing).
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;47624364][url]https://sites.google.com/site/indesfechtschule/[/url]
I told you to use the community map in the OP! Now get fencing!
[editline]29th April 2015[/editline]
And tell me what it's like![/QUOTE]
Well, I did find that place after posting. I think I'd want to find out a little more about what it's like rather than rush straight in, most of the websites are pretty barebones. Guess I'll send an email and see.
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[QUOTE=kimchimafia;47624422]if you're interested in the sca, there's a pretty big group in adelaide:[URL="http://www.sca.org.au/innilgard/"]http://www.sca.org.au/innilgard/[/URL]
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Can't say I'm terribly interested in the non-combat parts, but thanks, I'll take a look.
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If I have to bring my own equipment though, that'd be a problem. I sort of have very low disposable income at the moment so I wouldn't be able to afford a proper suit.
[QUOTE=Reds;47624514]If I have to bring my own equipment though, that'd be a problem. I sort of have very low disposable income at the moment so I wouldn't be able to afford a proper suit.[/QUOTE]
you wouldn't have to bring your own armour for a while as they'll probably lend you the "loaner kit". when you finally need to buy one, it shouldn't cost you much especially if you get to know the people in your group. my entire kit cost around 240 dollars (which i spent over a period of 6 months) and i know people get them cheaper.
[QUOTE=Reds;47624514]Well, I did find that place after posting. I think I'd want to find out a little more about what it's like rather than rush straight in, most of the websites are pretty barebones. Guess I'll send an email and see.
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Can't say I'm terribly interested in the non-combat parts, but thanks, I'll take a look.
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If I have to bring my own equipment though, that'd be a problem. I sort of have very low disposable income at the moment so I wouldn't be able to afford a proper suit.[/QUOTE]
Regarding the indes site, they have a FAQ where a lot of questions are answered, and if they have any money at all they will have loan gear for you.
They seem to train after the german lineage, with it's oldest master Liechtenauer (same as I!), but with a variety of weapons.
Ringen und Dolch fechten (Wrestling and Dagger fighting).
Messer und Schwert (single handed falchion and sword).
Langenschwert (Longsword).
Stange, Speiss und Mordagst (Staff, Spear and Pole-axe)
Schwert und Bokeller/Schilt (Sword and Buckler/Shield)
Blossfechten und Harnichfechten (Unarmoured & Armoured fighting)
I also assume they train after later masters since Liechtenauer didn't cover much on staff and spear (although his writings imply that anything you can do with a longsword can be adapted to almost any weapon in some way, but you have to figure that on your own).
I saw some of their videos, too, they seem to train with both synthetics and steel. I don't know whether they'll chuck you into sparring immediately, but it's probably better if you get some training first (personal opinion).
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;47624554]you wouldn't have to bring your own armour for a while as they'll probably lend you the "loaner kit". when you finally need to buy one, it shouldn't cost you much especially if you get to know the people in your group. my entire kit cost around 240 dollars (which i spent over a period of 6 months) and i know people get them cheaper.[/QUOTE]
I see. The place in the link provided is actually only fifteen minute's walk from my place so I'll have to go investigate.
cool, i'd be interested to hear what you think of it.
This thread has been too abandoned lately!
[url=https://flic.kr/p/rxbBBD][img]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7763/16761801503_ec09c26ac4_c.jpg[/img][/url]
Here's an image from the latest medieval market, this poor bastard broke his finger after the first few bouts.
Nothing interesting/important has been happening lately :v:
More videos from the tournament have been uploaded. Including the pool I was in!
[video=youtube;1eSttu9NqaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSttu9NqaA[/video]
Are you Alex? If so, poor display from Linus just muscling you out like that. Even if you aren't, still a poor display :P
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