You do realise most people join the military because it is a stable income and would earn a greater amount of money than they probably would've gotten anyway. The idea that most people join out of patriotism or to potentially become a 'hero' is complete bullshit!
[QUOTE=deanpfr;37082119]You clearly have downsyndrome or can't read. Where did I say anything about law enforcement? I didn't express hatred towards the military or the government, I just disagreed with their actions.
That being said, Go kill yourself.[/QUOTE]
Dude.
Go back to youtube.
Saying people have down syndrome and telling them to go kill themselves does NOT support your argument and makes you look like horrifically desperate.
[QUOTE=deanpfr;37082576]I don't sit on the computer all day. I have a Job and a girlfriend, which keeps me pretty busy. Plus, I never talked smack about anyone.
Men in the military don't have more balls than me. What balls does it take to need money and to join the military for a career, then ending up getting shot? Most troops don't even die, and the ones who do I feel bad for, just because they died fighting a pointless war. They wasted their life for a pointless cause.
Please try harder next time.[/QUOTE]
oh holy jesus fuck tittys man
you have a job and a girlfriend
everyone [b]get the fuck back[/b], this guy has some BIG CAHOONAHS
Shit he doesnt even need to spend 9+ months in a hot desert eating nothing but shit food, shitting in bushes and patrolling 110 degree weather for hours every day
hes got a GIRLFRIEND
if he was a real man he'd fuck a man
that's the manliest thing ever
involves a lot of balls too
I don't, It annoys me that people call all wounded soldiers "Heroes", people forget, that they're still killing people or their goal is to kill people and what if they did nothing before they were wounded/killed does that still make them a "Hero"
yeah those I.E.D. teams wreck havok on every hadji village ever
defusing bombs and mines that little kids can be hurt from
who gives a shit about them, if they get wounded from an I.E.D. while doing their job they deserved it
all they do is kill people, they aren't heroes
If this government you hate so much didn't exist, you wouldn't be sitting on Facepunch complaining about it.
[QUOTE=Bound;37083026]yeah those I.E.D. teams wreck havok on every hadji village ever
defusing bombs and mines that little kids can be hurt from
who gives a shit about them, if they get wounded from an I.E.D. while doing their job they deserved it
all they do is kill people, they aren't heroes[/QUOTE]
Yeah but the appearance of the soldiers are the whole reason for the IEDs, If they weren't there, there wouldn't be any.
[QUOTE=The mouse;37083057]Yeah but the appearance of the soldiers are the whole reason for the IEDs, If they weren't there, there wouldn't be any.[/QUOTE]
So that is exactly why they stopped blowing up innocent civilians after troops left Iraq?
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/31/us-iraq-violence-idUSBRE86U0LL20120731[/URL]
[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/iraq-violence-suicide-car-bombing-baghdad_n_1235942.html[/URL]
Oh.
[editline]4th August 2012[/editline]
Also, as I am Regular Army, I support the troops!
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37083184]That's a massive ideological debate you're getting into, buddy.[/QUOTE]
So let us not start it, shall we?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37083246]Im not, but claiming such a thing is utterly false unless you can back it up with proper arguments.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what you are doing right now. Please stop trying to start an argument.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37083287]But you're starting an argument/squabble with me right now[/QUOTE]
Ah, exactly what you want. You will receive no further responses to your posts from me after this one. If you enjoy debate so much, best do it in this section: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=403[/url]
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37083087]So that is exactly why they stopped blowing up innocent civilians after troops left Iraq?
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/31/us-iraq-violence-idUSBRE86U0LL20120731[/URL]
[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/iraq-violence-suicide-car-bombing-baghdad_n_1235942.html[/URL]
Oh.
[editline]4th August 2012[/editline]
Also, as I am Regular Army, I support the troops![/QUOTE]
He is right to some degree. Not to the extent that all IEDs and suicide bombings would stop if the US left, but the US presence has increased the level of terrorism to some degree, especially with our anti-drug efforts. People don't really like us when we go to their farms, claim they are supporting terrorists, and then destroy their opiate fields.
[QUOTE=FreeOnions;37083337]He is right to some degree. Not to the extent that all IEDs and suicide bombings would stop if the US left, but the US presence has increased the level of terrorism to some degree, especially with our anti-drug efforts. People don't really like us when we go to their farms, claim they are supporting terrorists, and then destroy their opiate fields.[/QUOTE]
Well, our current mission is to help the people of Afghanistan. I can't comment on any drug matters, but I know that our engineers have been very helpful in building roads and hospitals, as well as further infrastructure. That, and to provide safety by eliminating cells of terrorists. Also, opiate sales are a big part of our enemy's funding, so I can understand why we destroy the opiate fields.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37083382]Well, our current mission is to help the people of Afghanistan. I can't comment on any drug matters, but I know that our engineers have been very helpful in building roads and hospitals, as well as further infrastructure. That, and to provide safety by eliminating cells of terrorists. Also, opiate sales are a big part of our enemy's funding, so I can understand why we destroy the opiate fields.[/QUOTE]
I was only suggesting that by destroying the fields farmers are more likely to be anti-american. I understand why we destroy them, and honestly I think we should. But nonetheless people will dislike us for it.
[QUOTE=FreeOnions;37083483]I was only suggesting that by destroying the fields farmers are more likely to be anti-american. I understand why we destroy them, and honestly I think we should. But nonetheless people will dislike us for it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there is only so much that "winning hearts and minds" can do. Right now the local officials are exploiting the hell out of our aid that we give them, and local people sometimes don't see any of it.
cant give op enough boxes
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37082858]Why are you calling him out on it when the dude right above him called him an edgy asswipe? Is that a proper way to support his argument?[/QUOTE]
And whoever said that isn't helping their argument either...................
[QUOTE=The mouse;37083057]Yeah but the appearance of the soldiers are the whole reason for the IEDs, If they weren't there, there wouldn't be any.[/QUOTE]
:suicide:
I admire people who enlist in the army, get to know how to use weapons and use those knowledges to fight for everyone else's safety. My uncle was squad leader of parachute infantry unit during the first gulf war, I wish I had his amount of balls and manliness. He is now retired and gets a shitload of money too.
The question should be..
"Do you support the troops"
if no, "Then you support the enemy".
Or an easier example:
If you do not support the police, you support the criminals
[QUOTE=lapsus_;37083757]I admire people who enlist in the army, get to know how to use weapons and use those knowledges to fight for everyone else's safety. My uncle was squad leader of parachute infantry unit during the first gulf war, I wish I had his amount of balls and manliness. He is now retired and gets a shitload of money too.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the 82nd. Good folks. Hard to believe that the Gulf War happened about 20 years ago.
Also shouldn't this go in debate?
[QUOTE=legolover122;37083807]Also shouldn't this go in debate?[/QUOTE]
It really shouldn't exist in the first place. It's nothing but a flame war.
Support the troops? Who's troops? America's troops? They do alright I suppose. My country doesn't really have troops, just national guard. I don't support Syria's troops. You should be less vague, someone might support troops who oppose the troops you support.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37084031]Not really, the topic is very much debatable.
It's just that people like to make 'ironic shitposts' and call the opposition names because they hold a stereotypical point of view. This thread would have been fine if people presented arguments right off the bat, instead of calling the OP an asswipe and using "edgy" as a valid argument. It's just adding fuel to the fire. If OP is being a blunt asshole, that doesn't mean you should be one too.
I agree though, this belongs in Mass Debate and definitely not Fast Threads of all places.[/QUOTE]
The topic is definitely debatable, but it shouldn't be presented as a two sided poll that tries to make the argument as black and white as possible. It's either "I support the troops", or "I WANT THEM TO DIE BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE FASCIST REGIME THAT IS THE US OF A."
Troops, yes. The only reason I'm not in a jet of some sort helping them right now is because I couldn't get a hold of a damn recruiter. Guy was AFK from real life or some shit. Every time I'd call he wasn't at his phone, every time I stopped by the recruitment office he was on leave for something. Eventually gave up trying to chase his AFK ass down.
The war they're fighting? The government that sent them out? Yeah those things can go fuck a walrus. The war should have never happened, and the troops should have been pulled back home years ago.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;37082295]What is it, then? [/quote]
Best way to get a pilot's license, tax breaks and other such fiscal bonuses later in life, discipline, a guaranteed pension, healthcare, can't find other work, higher education without the enormous student loan debts, family history of serving...there's all sorts of reasons to join besides 'shooting brown people because 9/11 herpaderp".
I tried to join the air force to get a pilot's license, paid-for college, some semblance of healthcare since I can't afford insurance, and because nobody else is willing to hire me.
[quote]If you're going to use the "theyre poor and cant find a job" card it'd be utterly false. Would you say that almost everyone who signs up comes from a poor economic background? That's as much of a sweeping generalization as mine is, fyi.[/QUOTE]
That is just as valid a reason as "Because they want to" and you know it. News flash: The economy is still absolute shit. Finding a job for an 18-21 that has little to no experience is damn near impossible in many areas. Companies just aren't willing to hire at all, much less someone like that. 'Tis the reason I don't have a job, I've applied to literally every place in town that has a "We're hiring" sign since I got out of high school four years ago and I've only had [i]one[/i] who so much as told me they didn't have a position that fit me open.
JUST. ONE.
Most don't even have the balls to tell me they don't want to hire me, they pretend like I never applied at all. I know I'm not the only one in this situation.
I don't know what it means to support the troops.
They're there just to achieve political goals militarily. But I don't agree with any of the political goals we've had in the past few decades.
[QUOTE=deanpfr;37082576][B]Men in the military don't have more balls than me[/B]. What balls does it take to need money and to join the military for a career, then ending up getting shot? Most troops don't even die, and the ones who do I feel bad for, just because they died fighting a pointless war. They wasted their life for a pointless cause. [/QUOTE]
It does take balls to willingly join a profession that involves risking your life in combat.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;37089289]I don't know what it means to support the troops.
They're there just to achieve political goals militarily. But I don't agree with any of the political goals we've had in the past few decades.[/QUOTE]
Well, just so you know, I can guarantee you that almost no one ever joins saying "gee, I want to further the political goals of the US!". We are far more interested in having a stable paycheck and benefits, plus good job skills. Wherever we go, we just do the mission we are tasked to do. We don't choose where we go. I guess what I am trying to say is that we don't care what political motives are behind whatever mission we are assigned, we just execute.
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