• If you are still unsure about Cannabis, this will finally clear it all up for you... With Science!
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wtf is wrong with you all? my friend died from smoking too much weed
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;31126678]It actually costs a lot to keep it regulated. It all comes from your mommys and daddy's pocketbooks.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but if it was regulated and taxed, the government would make money off it being legalized AND from people breaking the marijuana laws (driving under influence, having too much on them, etc). They aren't making shit from it right now, while making the general public pay taxes for the US to keep stoners in jail AND keeping marijuana from being imported (and those drug lords are highly dangerous, so we must pay for the firearms, salary, transportation, etc to combat them). That money from the taxes would better spent elsewhere, maybe paying back the debt we owe, or education, etc... It should just be regulated and focus on keeping the dirty shit out of the country, and sell the good shit in the states.
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;31110439]There's a graph somewhere which shows the deforestation rate since Hemp was made illegal back in the 1930s. The outlawing of Hemp pretty much caused deforestation as we know it today. We used to use it for paper, but now we're not allowed.[/QUOTE] Really? Has it occurred to you that in those years the population of earth more than tripled? That many nations have industrialised and started to use timber? Is it all permanent deforestation? Many logging companies replant the trees they cut each harvest, so they can keep growing masses of trees. Many forests have been cleared by military forces in various wars (Such as the Vietnam war) Forests in South America have been cut by people looking to set up cattle grazing ground and many more have been cut to make way for roads, cities and the such. Outlawing hemp made barely an impact. Hemp isn't the same as cannabis either, and in the course of history Cannabis will be of any significant note. Most of the reason people are arguing about it at the moment is because of the present time. In 20 years people will find something else to complain about.
Still unsure about what? Whether to use it or not. I don't really want to watch an hour worth of videos to find out.
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isnt weed illegal for economical issues? if its illegal because of it's "harmful effects", well thats a pretty silly reason to have it criminalized
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7O4Sa8sGXk[/media] The more you know
[QUOTE=polarbear.;31133427]isnt weed illegal for economical issues?[/QUOTE] Mexico.
I got nothing against cannabis, his medical applications and stuff. But it's regular users, dealer, trafficants etc. looks like as low-life as drunktards to me. I mean, they way those guys acts, talks, and.. THEIR EYES.
Wait why can't the government tax it? I thought they could put a tax on anything they fucking felt like
[QUOTE=lapsus_;31137943]I got nothing against cannabis, his medical applications and stuff. But it's regular users, dealer, trafficants etc. looks like as low-life as drunktards to me. I mean, they way those guys acts, talks, and.. THEIR EYES.[/QUOTE]"eyes so low, yeah, i look like an Asian" [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] "his eyes were redder than the devil's dick"
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31139765] "his eyes were redder than the devil's dick"[/QUOTE] Wow that's pretty red.
Im just going to point out, if you take a look at some of the medical literature, cannabis isnt great for you [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21741803[/url] "However, alcohol, tobacco and cannabis at low to moderate intake may be associated with lower gray matter in both ARMS subjects and healthy volunteers-possibly representing low-level cortical damage or change in neural plasticity." [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21749837[/url] " A retrospective review of published literature disclosed case reports of marijuana-induced mania in adult patients with no prior psychiatric history (Bonnet U., Chang D.I., Wiltfang J., Scherbaum N., Weber R." [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19904712[/url] "A 22-year-old man with a long history of cannabis-use presented with a full blown mania. According to recent population-based studies, someone who starts using cannabis early in life runs the risk of developing not only psychosis but also manic symptoms and bipolar disorder. Further literature research showed that the use of cannabis influences both the onset and the course of bipolar disorder. When a patient presents with mania it might be advisable for the psychiatrist to take cannabis-use into account when making a diagnosis and prescribing treatment." [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12412835[/url] (This suggests short term reversible damage in cognitive function) Now, can people *please* stop telling me that cannabis is completely safe ok? This took be about 10 minutes searching through pubmed. And before you say, no, i didnt just pick studies that supported me. This was just on the first page of searching "cannabis" Edit: Please dont just pick one study, go "this is flawed" and then discount everything. At the absolute least, there are potential health risks associated with weed which is more than the "weed is completely safe" and "only causes psychological events in people who were going to get that sort of thing anyway anyway" Edit 2: Not sure why i'm getting dumb'd. You are the people saying "there is lots of evidence for cannabis being good for you and is completely safe". Im simply stating the evidence i found on pubmed. You can look this stuff up for yourself, please do, its fairly easy: [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed[/url]
Those sources are fine, but didn't other sources also say that brain damage occurs to young people that are still developing their brain? Gotta see the entire picture. This is a reoccurring theme in this thread. People provide sources good or bad, about the good and bad sides of THC, but never both of them. For example, we have a couple about how bad the tar is because you keep the smoke in your lungs longer, but those posts didn't include the fact most people that smoke joints smoke fewer than 1 a day, that it's not physically addictive (it's good on the mind) and that if consumed and not smoked, there is no tar issue. Also, maybe informative for some that doubt if it's even possible for this to be a cancer cure. The body has a mechanism to create and destroy cells. It can regulate cancer cells. It's debatable (just like this topic) that if you eat the right vitamins you are less likely to grow a cancer.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;31142184]Those sources are fine, but didn't other sources also say that brain damage occurs to young people that are still developing their brain? Gotta see the entire picture. This is a reoccurring theme in this thread. People provide sources good or bad, about the good and bad sides of THC, but never both of them. For example, we have a couple about how bad the tar is because you keep the smoke in your lungs longer, but those posts didn't include the fact most people that smoke joints smoke fewer than 1 a day, that it's not physically addictive (it's good on the mind) and that if consumed and not smoked, there is no tar issue. Also, maybe informative for some that doubt if it's even possible for this to be a cancer cure. The body has a mechanism to create and destroy cells. It can regulate cancer cells. It's debatable (just like this topic) that if you eat the right vitamins you are less likely to grow a cancer.[/QUOTE] The reason i didnt provide the other side of the argument is because i couldnt find the other side of the argument just from a quick search here: [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=cannabis[/url] Also [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21747398[/url] "Chronic cannabis (marijuana, hashish) smoking can result in dependence" Sure, you have to smoke it chronically, but it still causes dependence I looked up "cannabis cancer" and found these [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21566064[/url] Anti canceryness "Cannabidiol Induces Programmed Cell Death in Breast Cancer Cells by Coordinating the Cross-talk between Apoptosis and Autophagy." [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475304[/url] Anti tumouryness "In vivo studies revealed that Δ(9)-THC and JWH-015 reduced the growth of HCC subcutaneous xenografts, an effect that was not evident when autophagy was genetically of pharmacologically inhibited in those tumors. Moreover, cannabinoids were also able to inhibit tumor growth and ascites in an orthotopic model of HCC xenograft. Our findings may contribute to the design of new therapeutic strategies for the management of HCC." Though at the same time [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224[/url] "In many societies, marijuana is the second most commonly smoked substance after tobacco. While delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is unique to marijuana and nicotine to tobacco, the smoke of marijuana, like that of tobacco, consists of a toxic mixture of gases and particulates, many of which are known to be harmful to the lung. Although far fewer marijuana than tobacco cigarettes are generally smoked on a daily basis, the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking may be magnified by the greater deposition of smoke particulates in the lung due to the differing manner in which marijuana is smoked. Whereas THC causes modest short-term bronchodilation, regular marijuana smoking produces a number of long-term pulmonary consequences, including chronic cough and sputum, histopathologic evidence of widespread airway inflammation and injury and immunohistochemical evidence of dysregulated growth of respiratory epithelial cells, that may be precursors to lung cancer." Edit: Seriously guys, its not difficult. Just look it up in the internet. Everyone goes "herp derp cannabis does this or that", mostly based off what some bloke said on the internet. You dont have to believe anything i say to follow those links and draw a conclusion for yourself, and then you have the actual information rather than what someone thinks Edit 2: If you take just [b]one[/b] thing from my post, its that before you make a claim about one drug or another, look it up in a medical source and see if there is any evidence to support what you are saying, or refute it
The reason I don't like any drug is because I can live without them, there is no miracle one. They will eventually harm me in some way or another and I don't need drugs to have a good life or make it better. Anybody who tells me I am missing out or being a pussy, I don't give a shit I'm still happy.
Is that Tom Hanks in the first video? If so, I totally agree with it. Fuck it, I'd agree anyways, but Tom Hanks would convince anyone.
a nigga smoke some evil voodoo weed & when he exhale he blow out his soul
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who said weed was completely safe? But seriously, the "risks" of using it aren't any reason to have it illegalized
Drugs are bad, mkay ? Don't do drugs kids, mkay ?
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31142772] Also [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21747398[/url] "Chronic cannabis (marijuana, hashish) smoking can result in dependence" Sure, you have to smoke it chronically, but it still causes dependence [/QUOTE] Informative post. But make sure not to confuse dependency with addiction. You can simply take away a drug if someone is dependent (or just regulate it). If you're addicted your body demands it and protests if it's not there. related: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnFSaqFzSO8[/media]
[QUOTE=polarbear.;31146736]who said weed was completely safe? But seriously, the "risks" of using it aren't any reason to have it illegalized[/QUOTE] Literally everyone has been telling me weed is completely and utterly safe Fairly sure if a drug can potentially cause mania, brain damage, bipolar disorder, memory loss in the short term, and lung cancer, then it doesnt exactly have the strongest case for being legalised. And dont say "tobacco and alcohol do this so therefore weed should be legal" because the only reason theyre legal is because theyve been around for too long, and that isnt even a valid argument anyway Sure, THC has been shown to have some anti tumour and anti cancer activities, but that doesnt mean it cures cancer if you smoke cannabis
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31152509]Literally everyone has been telling me weed is completely and utterly safe Fairly sure if a drug can potentially cause mania, brain damage, bipolar disorder, memory loss in the short term, and lung cancer, then it doesnt exactly have the strongest case for being legalised. And dont say "tobacco and alcohol do this so therefore weed should be legal" because the only reason theyre legal is because theyve been around for too long, and that isnt even a valid argument anyway Sure, THC has been shown to have some anti tumour and anti cancer activities, but that doesnt mean it cures cancer if you smoke cannabis[/QUOTE]What are you talking about with the whole "they've been around for so long". Marijuana has been used recreationally for thousands of years
[QUOTE=Octave;31152887]What are you talking about with the whole "they've been around for so long". Marijuana has been used recreationally for thousands of years[/QUOTE] They have been legal for ages and ages, so it would be very difficult to make them illegal, especially alcohol as most people drink it
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31152908]They have been legal for ages and ages, so it would be very difficult to make them illegal, especially alcohol as most people drink it[/QUOTE]So the argument is that people would still use them if they were illegal. It's the same with marijuana (and every other drug) though. so I don't see how they're different.
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31152509]Literally everyone has been telling me weed is completely and utterly safe Fairly sure if a drug can potentially cause mania, brain damage, bipolar disorder, memory loss in the short term, and lung cancer, then it doesnt exactly have the strongest case for being legalised. And dont say "tobacco and alcohol do this so therefore weed should be legal" because the only reason theyre legal is because theyve been around for too long, and that isnt even a valid argument anyway Sure, THC has been shown to have some anti tumour and anti cancer activities, but that doesnt mean it cures cancer if you smoke cannabis[/QUOTE]You don't have memory loss, it's somewhat "scrambled" but this is also only while you're high. It has also been proven that it cannot cause lung cancer. Marijuana has also been used recreationally for thousands of years and was only made illegal in 1900s.
My biggest problem with weed, is pushers selling it and other drugs to small children. I don't know if it would worsen if drugs were legalized. I've seen a lot of messed up kids that started on weed and went on to harder stuff, finally ending up in jail because they can't support their addiction. I have tried weed twice though, but it didn't do anything for me. I've even gotten offers from people I know, because I suffer from anxiety. I try to keep clean.
[QUOTE=Thaard;31154052]My biggest problem with weed, is pushers selling it and other drugs to small children. I don't know if it would worsen if drugs were legalized. I've seen a lot of messed up kids that started on weed and went on to harder stuff, finally ending up in jail because they can't support their addiction. I have tried weed twice though, but it didn't do anything for me. I've even gotten offers from people I know, because I suffer from anxiety. I try to keep clean.[/QUOTE] well if weed was legal, it'd be sold over the counter, not in some shady guy's house who's going to try and convince you to try harder drugs. You won't see hard drugs or be pressured into taking them at a chemist or newsagent's or wherever they'd be sold, so yes. Making it legal would probably help keep kids away from harder drugs.
My sisters boyfriend offered me weed and it actually looked like dingle berries and pubes.
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