• If you are still unsure about Cannabis, this will finally clear it all up for you... With Science!
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[QUOTE=Icedshot;31152509]Literally everyone has been telling me weed is completely and utterly safe Fairly sure if a drug can potentially cause mania, brain damage, bipolar disorder, memory loss in the short term, and lung cancer, then it doesnt exactly have the strongest case for being legalised. And dont say "tobacco and alcohol do this so therefore weed should be legal" because the only reason theyre legal is because theyve been around for too long, and that isnt even a valid argument anyway Sure, THC has been shown to have some anti tumour and anti cancer activities, but that doesnt mean it cures cancer if you smoke cannabis[/QUOTE] So you're opposed to legalizing it then? I mean, not even just to allow the growing of industrial hemp, and for medicinal use? THC is a "cure all/miracle substance". It's always been. Like you mentioned there are some hazards, but those hazards are far from being as dangerous as the hazards you face by using synthetic drugs. Especially in the case of skin cancer, where the lotion makes your skin look like you're a ghoul from fallout. That being said, it's important to point out the good and the bad. People saying smoking pot is completely safe are uneducated. If you take medicine for your headache and you take too much you will get addicted. If you take thc for your headache it feels nice and reliefs. If you take too much you'll want more, just like that snack you like so much you can eat it forever. Funfacts: • You could pay your taxes in this country with hemp until the early 1800's. • It was a crime in some states to refuse to grow hemp in the 1700's. • Many of the Founding Fathers, including George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, grew hemp. Benjamin Franklin owned a paper mill that used hemp to make paper. [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mikeyt493;31154119]well if weed was legal, it'd be sold over the counter, not in some shady guy's house who's going to try and convince you to try harder drugs. You won't see hard drugs or be pressured into taking them at a chemist or newsagent's or wherever they'd be sold, so yes. Making it legal would probably help keep kids away from harder drugs.[/QUOTE] Like someone once said, keeping it illegal is keeping it cool. The Netherlands has proven that weed is not cool to use among teenagers. Portal has shown cocaine isn't cool to use as they decriminalized it. No thrills in doing something completely legal.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;31154119]well if weed was legal, it'd be sold over the counter, not in some shady guy's house who's going to try and convince you to try harder drugs. You won't see hard drugs or be pressured into taking them at a chemist or newsagent's or wherever they'd be sold, so yes. Making it legal would probably help keep kids away from harder drugs.[/QUOTE] You already see that today. It's so much safer to smoke weed nowadays because most of it is procured from legal dispensaries and groweries, albeit illegally, rather than shady allyway dealers or drug cartels like back in the days of my father. You don't find "laced" weed that much anymore, that scare is almost nonexistent in states where Medical is legal for a few reasons. [QUOTE=sami-elite;31155976] Like someone once said, keeping it illegal is keeping it cool. The Netherlands has proven that weed is not cool to use among teenagers. Portal has shown cocaine isn't cool to use as they decriminalized it. No thrills in doing something completely legal.[/QUOTE] Any dumbshit kids who smoke weed to look cool will do it even when its legalized, because there will probably be an age limitation like with cigarettes or alcohol. I'm not sure how you can argue "coolness".
I see no reason to keep it illegal. It's potential long-term health effects are far less concerning that those posed by many legal drugs, such as alcohol and tobacco products, and the intoxication is only temporary. Even if we ignore the potential medical benefits and simply assert that marijuana is nothing but a recreational drug, it's not a very dangerous one, as far as they go. Used responsibly, it's essentially harmless. There may always be risks associated with recreational drugs, but that's why they're reserved for consenting adults, who are mature and responsible enough to say, "I understand the risks, and will use this product responsibly so as to mitigate them." The only drugs which should be illegal, in my opinion, are the drugs that pose serious health risks to the user, or put the user in such a state of mind that he becomes a serious health risk to the people around him. The only arguments against the legalization of marijuana are bred from ignorance, self-righteousness, or anger. I used to be pretty vehemently anti-drug, but I've made a radical shift over the last few years as I've started learning the facts, and now I'm embarrassed as hell about dumb I was. I urge anybody who is morally opposed to the use of marijuana and other recreational drugs to remember that you don't have to use them, and that other people choosing to isn't preventing or interfering with your right to live under any codes or philosophies that you hold dear.
If it's been utilized as an insect repellent then how come whenever I go smoke outside the flies are always around? I guess maybe they just wanna get high with me. Actually, I've seen less insects around my porch where I usually smoke...besides my fly bros.
Jesus I got a box fort on page 1. I guess the schools lied to me then. They fucking [B]lied![/B] [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-argh.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31153895]You don't have memory loss, it's somewhat "scrambled" but this is also only while you're high. It has also been proven that it cannot cause lung cancer. Marijuana has also been used recreationally for thousands of years and was only made illegal in 1900s.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224[/url] blah blah blah blah ".. that may be precursors to lung cancer"
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31157802][url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224[/url] blah blah blah blah ".. that may be precursors to lung cancer"[/QUOTE] From the same source: "On the other hand, physiologic, clinical or epidemiologic evidence that marijuana smoking may lead to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or respiratory cancer is limited and inconsistent."
[QUOTE=sami-elite;31155976]So you're opposed to legalizing it then? I mean, not even just to allow the growing of industrial hemp, and for medicinal use? THC is a "cure all/miracle substance". It's always been. Like you mentioned there are some hazards, but those hazards are far from being as dangerous as the hazards you face by using synthetic drugs. Especially in the case of skin cancer, where the lotion makes your skin look like you're a ghoul from fallout.[/QUOTE] At no point did i give an opinion about whether or not i think cannabis should be legalised, im just trying to insert some evidence into this thread. And synthetic drugs undergo years and years of testing before they are allowed onto the market, and all sorts of statistical analysis is done on them, so that it will be the least dangerous as possible. The side effects get nicely stated on the bottle too. Synthetic =/= bad. THC may well be a cure all miracle substance, but smoking cannabis absolutely isnt [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;31157842]From the same source: "On the other hand, physiologic, clinical or epidemiologic evidence that marijuana smoking may lead to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or respiratory cancer is limited and inconsistent."[/QUOTE] Indeed, but you cant simply say "It was shown to be impossible to cause lung cancer" can you? Though im immensely glad you took a look at the sources and used that as an argument, rather than "i know this or that"
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31157905]At no point did i give an opinion about whether or not i think cannabis should be legalised. And synthetic drugs undergo years and years of testing before they are allowed onto the market, and all sorts of statistical analysis is done on them, so that it will be the least dangerous as possible. The side effects get nicely stated on the bottle too. Synthetic =/= bad. THC may well be a cure all miracle substance, but smoking cannabis absolutely isnt [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] Indeed, but you cant simply say "It was shown to be impossible to cause lung cancer" can you? Though im immensely glad you took a look at the sources and used that as an argument, rather than "i know this or that"[/QUOTE] Pharmaceutical companies are some of the most unscrupulous corporations on the face of the planet. They constantly release drugs that are under tested, ineffective and addictive. And even though they receive billions of dollars in lawsuits each year they continue to operate the same way, because doing so makes them enough money to still make profit after those lawsuits. Believe me, pharmaceutical companies care about your safety just about as much as a crack dealer does. After all, the sicker you are, the more money they make.
weed=good hash=good. Skunk however is horrible and i have no idea why anyone would want to smoke it.
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31157905]Indeed, but you cant simply say "It was shown to be impossible to cause lung cancer" can you? Though im immensely glad you took a look at the sources and used that as an argument, rather than "i know this or that"[/QUOTE] No, certainly not, but the fact that the evidence is so inconclusive is not at all a mark against the legalization of marijuana, as both cigarettes [i]and[/i] alcohol, two legal and popular drugs, have already been proven to cause all sorts of unpleasant ailments when used irresponsibly or over a long enough period of time. The very fact that scientists are having such a difficult time determining whether or not marijuana could actually pose a notable risk to your body and mind seems a pretty strong endorsement, considering what's already on the market. But yeah, the effects of marijuana absolutely need to be studied further, so that consumers can be fully briefed on the possible implications of using the product, enabling them to make responsible and informed decisions.
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;31158063]Pharmaceutical companies are some of the most unscrupulous corporations on the face of the planet. They constantly release drugs that are under tested, ineffective and addictive. And even though they receive billions of dollars in lawsuits each year they continue to operate the same way, because doing so makes them enough money to still make profit after those lawsuits. Believe me, pharmaceutical companies care about your safety just about as much as a crack dealer does. After all, the sicker you are, the more money they make.[/QUOTE] I know, im aware of the crap that the pharmaceutical companies do. But in the end, do you want to take your medicine based on lots of independently peer-reviewed research, or what your friends and people on the internet have been telling you? [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;31158150]But yeah, the effects of marijuana absolutely need to be studied further, so that consumers can be fully briefed on the possible implications of using the product, enabling them to make responsible and informed decisions about using the drug.[/QUOTE] Pretty much just this. And i was saying essentially that because the evidence is inconclusive, you cant really just straight out legalise it without having a further look at what the potential issues are. Not "it might cause this so keep it illegal forever"
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31158156]I know, im aware of the crap that the pharmaceutical companies do. But in the end, do you want to take your medicine based on lots of independently peer-reviewed research, or what your friends and people on the internet have been telling you?[/QUOTE] Could you elaborate? I don't exactly get what you're asking.
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31158156]I know, im aware of the crap that the pharmaceutical companies do. But in the end, do you want to take your medicine based on lots of independently peer-reviewed research, or what your friends and people on the internet have been telling you? [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] Pretty much just this. And i was saying essentially that because the evidence is inconclusive, you cant really just straight out legalise it without having a further look at what the potential issues are. Not "it might cause this so keep it illegal forever"[/QUOTE] ive been taking it for a year now and im fine aoffhgjhfh im covered in ants
Hey, hey, smoke weed everyday.
[QUOTE=Icedshot;31158156]I know, im aware of the crap that the pharmaceutical companies do. But in the end, do you want to take your medicine based on lots of independently peer-reviewed research, or what your friends and people on the internet have been telling you? [/QUOTE] It's been said more than once that the whole medicine/healthcare thing needs to be sorted out. It's broken. Doctors are told what they can and can't do by politics rather than good intentions. Modern day medicine should involve the patient. The care would be better and doctors can do their job better. What i am saying is that what you downplay, should be the normal scenario in conjunction with going to see someone if the problem persists.
[QUOTE=Comcastic;31096029]Lets step back into reality. Marijuana kills millions of people every minute.[/QUOTE]it also helps people who went through cancer treatment
[QUOTE=JimmyA;31163586]it also helps people who went through cancer treatment[/QUOTE]i think you missed the joke
Regardless of whether or not you believe marijuana has medical benefits, the state should not be able to dictate what you put in your body.
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;31165042]Regardless of whether or not you believe marijuana has medical benefits, the state should not be able to dictate what you put in your body.[/QUOTE]but old homeless black men are going to sell my 4 year old heroin!!!!!!!!!!
I used to be all against weed and shit... But now I think it should be legal. I think those who are against it are just afraid of it. [editline]16th July 2011[/editline] BTW vaporize, it's not nearly as bad for you
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31165083]but old homeless black men are going to sell my 4 year old heroin!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] It's a known fact that advocates of marijuana legalization are just doing it so they can harm children.
"You're not gonna die from it, that's not gonna happen... I've tried." No one is as much of a stoner as this man.
[QUOTE=Killer900;31095926]And how would you even know that.[/QUOTE] The projected cost of money it would save wouldn't even reach 10 billion in the first year, do you realize how much our debt is? It is 14 trillion, a few billion is nothing.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;31165790]The projected cost of money it would save wouldn't even reach 10 billion in the first year, do you realize how much our debt is? It is 14 trillion, a few billion is nothing.[/QUOTE] just because it isn't a lot doesn't mean it doesn't help. would you not like to be 10 billion dollars less in debt?
As someone who's actually had a bad experience with pot, I think I'd throw in my two cents. I used to smoke pot a lot. Not because I actually wanted to (at first), but because my friends did it. Yeah, yeah, I know, peer pressure and all that. But once I actually gave it a try, I actually felt pretty alright. I was suffering from clinical depression, and the pot really helped me. I would hang out with my friends, smoke pot, and then just find amusement in the most simple things. It gave me a good outlook on life. I always started out small, because I had only smoked pot for about two weeks, but one day I was feeling brave and smoked a lot of pot. More than my stoner friends had, by a long shot. Needless to say, it wasn't quite the same. I became convinced that nothing was real, and I was just a schizophrenic in an insanity ward, imagining my entire life as it went by. Nine hours and several panic attacks later, I came down from my high, but the feeling of surreal-ness stuck with me for weeks afterwords. I came clean with my parents (who were understanding) and asked them to take me to a therapist, as the combination of depression and overwhelming paranoia with reality was getting unbearable. I was honest with my psychologist, and he thankfully kept true to the oath of keeping everything confidential, and diagnosed me with depersonalization disorder. He said it was likely due to the large amount of THC I was hit by, but I likely had a predisposition for it anyways, and the feeling of being high just brought it to a front. He said it would probably fade in time, but to seriously lay off the pot and probably never smoke it again, lest I have another depersonalization attack, and perhaps hurt myself or others. That was about three months ago, and I'm finally recovering from my depression and my depersonalization, to the point where both are nearly non-existent now. My friends have asked if I would be comfortable with giving pot a try again, and I'm coming around to it, but if I do decide to take up smoking, it will be in incredibly small quantities, if at all. The moral of this story is that, while I had a bad reaction to pot, I'm not against people smoking it period. It's not for everyone, but that's true for everything on planet Earth. Some people will like it, some people won't, and I don't think people should impose their opinion on other people just because they've had bad experiences with it. Just my two cents.
Out of interest, how does drink affect you Grim Joker? Also, what other drugs have you done? Not being judgemental - just curious :wink:
I couldn't get 10 seconds in to the first video. Biased speculation.
[QUOTE=Jookia;31171502]I couldn't get 10 seconds in to the first video. Biased speculation.[/QUOTE] The first 10 seconds are not that far fetched. What makes you think it's bias? Do you know the facts?
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;31170894]Out of interest, how does drink affect you Grim Joker? Also, what other drugs have you done? Not being judgemental - just curious :wink:[/QUOTE] I've never really been drunk enough to tell you, just a bit buzzed off of wine. No other drugs, either. Well, I used to take some anti-depressants, but I was off of those for like a year before I even got into pot, so that's probably irrelevant.
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