Machine guns aren't all that hard to do when you don't have to worry about it being self powered
I present to you the Fa.223 and the Fl.282, the first ever working helicopters in history :
[t]http://www.aviastar.org/foto/gallery/flettner/flettner_kolibri_4.jpg[/t][t]http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/30/0d53456e3822e8dde12111b6d032a930.jpg[/t]
They were ordered by the german navy for reconnaissance missions, were used by the mountain troops for woundeds transport and were fully functionnal by 1943. Only 100 Kolibri's were made, 10 were captured by the Allies and 1 is still exposed in the UK in Coventry.
The Kolibri could go up as high as 3800 meters above sea level.
[video=youtube;7dym1b4RB8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dym1b4RB8M[/video]
Kalashnikov appears to have rebranded their AK74M modernization upgrades as the AK-400 series. Interestingly, the forend and frontsight/gas block looks to be based on the AK-12's latest prototype.
[IMG]http://cs624218.vk.me/v624218985/31bb4/Ky2TYSJVkaE.jpg[/IMG]
Ohey cool, more pointing towards the AK12 being dead and isn't really adopted after all! Who would have thought that? What a surprise. But hey, at least they moved the rear sight. Only took them 130 years.
[video=youtube;CO9VAQR-X2Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO9VAQR-X2Q[/video]
[editline]3rd May 2016[/editline]
Nothing like raining Incendiary rocket artillery on your enemies on a T-72 chassis
[video=youtube;A2O-g42eIdw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2O-g42eIdw[/video]
[QUOTE=Riller;50244798]Ohey cool, more pointing towards the AK12 being dead and isn't really adopted after all! Who would have thought that? What a surprise. But hey, at least they moved the rear sight. Only took them 130 years.[/QUOTE]
No! My rear sight!
[QUOTE=Exploders;50245264]No! My rear sight![/QUOTE]
Nooo they actually made it decent, god damn them.
No really the old AK style sights are terrible, theres a reason why other countries that adopted the format put rear sights on them.
[QUOTE=Exploders;50245264]No! My rear sight![/QUOTE]
They've been using the same sights since at least the very first mosin nagants. Back on those models, it wasn't entirely awful, but certainly not good either. But as you make the rifle shorter, so does the sight distance; which is basically what works as confirmation that your gun is, indeed, pointed fairly straight. The AK have always had potential for twice the sight distance, which would help a whooole lot and bring the rear sight closer to the eye where it's easier to find, but they refused to do it. And neither did it on the AKM. Or AK74. Or AK74M. Or AK10X series. Or AK200 series. Or the early AK12. Only mid to late "[I]production[/I]" AK12s have it and then this one.
The Finns got it right decades ago
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The RK-62 is a beautiful rifle if they'd get rid of the tardstock
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50245481]The RK-62 is a beautiful rifle if they'd get rid of the tardstock[/QUOTE]
They will. Say hello to RK-62M:
[img]http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/20136264_uu.jpg[/img]
did someone say Calico?
[img]http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c9/CalicoM900.jpg/500px-CalicoM900.jpg[/img]
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[img]http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/CalicoM900Carbine3.jpg[/img]
[t]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7HeiuXGSLgI/maxresdefault.jpg[/t]
[t]http://www.imfdb.org/images/a/a2/Calico960a.jpg[/t]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAl4Mfsyp5Y[/media]
Very surprised this hasn't made it into one of the Call of Dutys
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50245703]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAl4Mfsyp5Y[/media]
Very surprised this hasn't made it into one of the Call of Dutys[/QUOTE]
That thumbnail looks like a Fallout screenshot.
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50245703]*unreliable*[/QUOTE]
Because then they'd have to add in weapon jamming for every 3rd round and magazines ejecting all their rounds which is too much.
[QUOTE=Reagy;50246036]Because then they'd have to add in weapon jamming for every 3rd round and magazines ejecting all their rounds which is too much.[/QUOTE]
they're pieces of crap don't get me wrong ( who thought of putting the iron sights on the mag ) but you gotta admit they have a weird, sci-fi look to them
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50246407]they're pieces of crap don't get me wrong ( who thought of putting the iron sights on the mag ) but you gotta admit they have a weird, sci-fi look to them[/QUOTE]
Some people have gone to great lengths to get them to work. General consensus is you do a "fluff and buff" on the bolt an any moving parts. Then you have to use Nato grade 9mm ammo at the very least. +P if you can afford it.
Otherwise, just a cool crappy gun. Kinda like Tec9s.
[QUOTE=Hauptmann;50243889]I present to you the Fa.223 and the Fl.282, the first ever working helicopters in history :
[t]http://www.aviastar.org/foto/gallery/flettner/flettner_kolibri_4.jpg[/t][t]http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/30/0d53456e3822e8dde12111b6d032a930.jpg[/t]
They were ordered by the german navy for reconnaissance missions, were used by the mountain troops for woundeds transport and were fully functionnal by 1943. Only 100 Kolibri's were made, 10 were captured by the Allies and 1 is still exposed in the UK in Coventry.
The Kolibri could go up as high as 3800 meters above sea level.[/QUOTE]
You had to have some balls of duraluminum to fly early helicopters, they were fragile, complicated, and the materials were sort of not really good...
Like the stuff they made early helicopter blades out of is terrifying, they were like biplanes in the age of metal aircraft
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50245703][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAl4Mfsyp5Y[/media]
Very surprised this hasn't made it into one of the Call of Dutys[/QUOTE]
How about a Calico Minigun for maximum late 90s silliness?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/twMPany.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/KXyDrgV.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/19243Rq.jpg[/t]
A terrible weapon when your fighting off...whatever the hell that movie was about....
[editline]3rd May 2016[/editline]
I wanna say Deep sea giant worms or something?
Calico - LSD and small arms design are in fact synonymous.
Also relating to that video of the Chinese using arty shells without barrels, pretty clever. Same thing a lot of groups in Afghanistan use for attacking US convoys with not-IED.
Best thing about Calico is it's promotional material.
[IMG]http://gunsite.narod.ru/calico_m950_cut.gif[/IMG]
Even in the official how-it-works schematic, it got a double-feed jam.
Does anyone know when the first helicopter actually saw battle?
I remember reading ~somewhere~ the Russkies saw a hovering aircraft of some sort during the Kursk battle, perhaps trails as recon?
Eh maybe it's science fiction but still cool to imagine.
[QUOTE=Xombi;50248162]Does anyone know when the first helicopter actually saw battle?[/QUOTE]
Korea maybe, ww2 technically. The Nazis used their "flying dragon" to move troops around and go into battle, Korea saw us do the same I guess. Vietnam would be the first war that dedicated attack helicopters first saw combat. The Soviets took note of the cobra and reopened their own development program
I say ww2 was a technicality because gyroplanes were used for some limited antiarmor roles but that's not technically a helicopter
Korea probably saw helicopters used in combat but that would be at most soldiers firing pistols and rifles out the side
As I recall Sikorsky R-4s were being used towards the end of World War II in the Pacific for moving supplies and some search and rescue operations, especially in Burma and other areas with lots of jungle. The Japanese Army Air Force apparently deployed some Autogyros (Kayaba Ka-1) in 1944/45 as anti-submarine patrol aircraft, initially on Akitsu Maru (escort carrier) and then on the Japanese mainland coast. Apparently they never managed to score a submarine kill, probably due to only being able to carry a single depth charge. They were however regarded as effective spotters.
[video=youtube;_EFt7cLCRSY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EFt7cLCRSY[/video]
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;50245948]That thumbnail looks like a Fallout screenshot.[/QUOTE]
to be fair the whole thing does look kinda sci-fi
Found this while fartin' about.
[img_thumb]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/vickers4.jpg[/img_thumb]
[url]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/stg-45-horn-prototypes/[/url]
call me crazy but if you cut down the barrel and give it a regular trigger guard, it looks like a big ass UMP-45. Made in 1945.
Looks pretty neato on it's own though.
There's a lot of neat things from World War II that are semi-practical and at some points "why didn't they use this instead".
But 9 times out of 10 the answer was "We already had shit that worked and we weren't willing to scrap old stuff to replace it"
But Japan didn't get the memo.
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;50256620]Found this while fartin' about.
[img_thumb]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/vickers4.jpg[/img_thumb]
[url]http://www.forgottenweapons.com/stg-45-horn-prototypes/[/url]
call me crazy but if you cut down the barrel and give it a regular trigger guard, it looks like a big ass UMP-45. Made in 1945.
Looks pretty neato on it's own though.[/QUOTE]The profile is uncannily similar to the UMP, save for the stock.
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