Millennium Simulation: "The Largest Model of Our Universe"
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[QUOTE=Lazor;14156579]Shit, by them time we're worrying about the universe going dark, I wonder how vastly different and more complex the laws of physics will be.
Space fucking blows my mind.[/QUOTE]
Please, PLEASE read this, everyone. [B]this link contains probably the best example of what will "happen" when Heat Death occurs.[/B]
[url]http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html[/url]
It is the greatest science-fiction short story written by one of the top three greatest science-fiction authors in History, Isaac Asimov.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14156713]Please, PLEASE read this, everyone. [B]this link contains probably the best example of what will "happen" when Heat Death occurs.[/B]
[url]http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html[/url]
It is the greatest science-fiction short story written by one of the top three greatest science-fiction authors in History, Isaac Asimov.[/QUOTE]
Fiction is the same as completley made up.
How does that explain what happens?
[QUOTE=Turbis;14158343]Fiction is the same as completley made up.
How does that explain what happens?[/QUOTE]
Asimov [I]hates[/I] making up technology or facts.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;14146957]Also, we are the only ones. There is no such thing as aliens; there are only animals and humans.[/QUOTE]
Obvious troll is obvious
[QUOTE=Turbis;14158343]Fiction is the same as completley made up.
How does that explain what happens?[/QUOTE]
Fiction = "Fiction is an imaginative form of narrative, one of the four basic rhetorical modes. Although the word fiction is derived from the Latin fingo, fingere, finxi, fictum, "to form, create", [B]works of fiction need not be entirely imaginary and may include real people, places, and [U]events.[/U][/B]"
[QUOTE=Hivemind;14152652]One theory is that it could collapse, squashing everything up smaller and smaller, until it reaches some limit and explodes again - another big bang, another entirely different universe.
Who knows, we might not be the first universe in our line, it could be an infinite cycle, ours may have been born from the death of another universe, and that from the one before it, and that from the one before that on until infinity.
There could be an infinite amount of other universes existing alongside our own - think our universe isn't big enough? There could be more! Forever expanding and collapsing, exploding into energy and life, billions of them.[/QUOTE]
I believe that the big crunch theory has now more or less been ruled out as one of the possible end of the universe scenarios (I may be wrong but I recall reading that somewhere).
[QUOTE=livelonger12;14153579]No, it's not. There are no aliens until observational evidence arises; we have no form of image capturing of other intelligent life - we are the only ones that exist in the universe at the present. However, there may be no other life, and we may be the only ones that exist, and thus we're the most significant entity in the entire universe. Our galaxy - solar system - planet - and country is the most important (The US). And furthermore, those in power within the country are the most important of the entire universe.[/QUOTE]
You want observational evidence? Okay. WE'RE the evidence. We ARE life and we DO exist within the universe. We're the proof that life exists and there's no reason why it shouldn't exist anywhere else if it exists here (especially seeing as, as far as we can tell, the laws of physics are exactly the same everywhere).
[QUOTE=markg06;14152197]Definitions of parsec on the Web:
* a unit of astronomical length based on the distance from Earth at which stellar parallax is 1 second of arc; equivalent to 3.262 light years
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/qUOTE]
Okay, is there a reason you needed to quote that at me?
It's the adjacent side of an imaginary triangle with an opposite side of 1 AU and angle of 1/3600 degrees.
[QUOTE=sltungle;14158702]You want observational evidence? Okay. WE'RE the evidence. We ARE life and we DO exist within the universe. We're the proof that life exists and there's no reason why it shouldn't exist anywhere else if it exists here (especially seeing as, as far as we can tell, the laws of physics are exactly the same everywhere).[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that we've continually found sources of life in places that would make you the laughing stock of your Research Division if you suggested it earlier.
Intelligent Life, however, is most likely exceedingly rare.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;14158832]Okay, is there a reason you needed to quote that at me?
It's the adjacent side of an imaginary triangle with an opposite side of 1 AU and angle of 1/3600 degrees.[/QUOTE]
He's angry I stole his thunder a page earlier.
[QUOTE=Lankist;14149973][img]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_drake_equation.png[/img]
The Drake Equation is speculative bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Not really. It's all basic probability. It's definitely right, it's just not really testable without massive amounts of hard-to-gather data.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14158835]Don't forget that we've continually found sources of life in places that would make you the laughing stock of your Research Division if you suggested it earlier.
Intelligent Life, however, is most likely exceedingly rare.[/QUOTE]
Mmm. Extremophiles.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;14158935]Not really. It's all basic probability. It's definitely right, it's just not really testable without massive amounts of hard-to-gather data.[/QUOTE]
It sure as hell is better than ignorantly saying there is no life, that's for sure.
Not to mention that it isn't really that "inaccurate" I would totally believe there would be just [B]one[/B] other civilization out there with the technology to communicate across space (notice how Drake's Equation doesn't factor in SPACE-FARING civilizations.)
[QUOTE=sltungle;14158965]Mmm. Extremophiles.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a frightening sexual fetish. Skydiving may be involved.
Anyone else think that the image in the OP looks like nerve endings? [img]http://d2k5.com/sa_emots/emot-raise.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Dan The Man;14159254]That's Andromeda.[/QUOTE]
Images taken from the outside of the galaxy we're in are a bit hard to come by.
a) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_14uL9d9uoo[/media]
b) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEIj9zcLzp0[/media]
Choose!
It might change though:
Planck satellite, Herschel Space Observatory, Large Hadron Collider (LHC), Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA), Laser Interferometry Space Antenna (LISA), Constellation-X Observatory, Big Bang Observer (BBO), James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), SuperNova/Acceleration Probe (SNAP), Advanced Dark Energy Physics Telescope (ADEPT), Black-Hole Imager (MAXIM)
Are all coming soon! :D
Even foregoing the scope of our universe and down to the Milky Way, one can look even closer to appreciate it all.
In We Were Soldiers, the Lieutenant Colonel in charge at LZ X-ray, played by Mel Gibson, finds himself staring at the moon in the middle of the night as sporadic battles flash as sparks in the jungle. And yet, looking high enough at the bright, full moon, hanging peacefully and serenely in the sky, he watches as it continues its perpetual orbit.
As he comes to, he slowly looks back down at the jungle, only to see the clearing riddled with the dismembered and rotting bodies of American and NVA troops, and the platoon directly in front of him terrified out of their wits, lying awake at watch.
That scene hit me kind of hard, and made me realize: None of this matters. All Earthly doings by humans, whether they be war, contamination, politics, exploration; the death and suffering, the joy and jubilation, even the completely false but probable extermination of our world through our own negligence...none of it matters.
Regardless of whether or not the atmosphere is nuked into oblivion, the moon will keep in orbit. Regardless of whether or not we manage to destroy ourselves in an inter-planetary war, those planets will keep to their course around our Sun. Regardless of whether or not we are able to reach the stars someday, we will only be a speck of civilization among the vast arms of the Milky Way.
Regardless of whether or not we suddenly blink out of existence as a civilization and a race of people, the universe will keep expanding.
We are insignificant.
Funny how us humans are trying to understand something googles bigger than us.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;14159654]Funny how us humans are trying to understand something googlplexes bigger than us.[/QUOTE]
Its an honorable thing to try, though. Although I hate people that want our planet to become a Fortress World and refuse us access to the stars. (Fortress Planet being where we lack the resources/technology to develop sufficient interstellar drives, thus keeping us trapped on Earth.)
[QUOTE=Occlusion;14159654]Funny how us humans are trying to understand something googles bigger than us.[/QUOTE]
That's what we're good at.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;14146957]Also, we are the only ones. There is no such thing as aliens; there are only animals and humans.[/QUOTE]
Bah ha ha ha, learn your basic science. There are six kingdoms, not just animals.
1. [b]Animals.[/b] Humans fall into this category.
2. [b]Plants.[/b] Fucking food, biatchez!
3. [b]Fungi.[/b] Shrooms.
4. [b]Eubacteria.[/b] I have nothing funny to say about this one, sorry.
5. [b]Archaebacteria.[/b] Older than mikfoz.
6. [B]Protists.[/B] Odds and ends.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;14164408]5. [b]Archaebacteria.[/b] [b]Older than mikfoz.[/b][/QUOTE]
ITT: blatant lies!
[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;14146556]I bet NASA has thousands of tb hard drives just sitting there.[/QUOTE]
Possibly hundreds of Exabytes.
*Orgasm*
[QUOTE=XcoliahX;14151131]Yes, the universe is fucking infinite, and if it isn't it might as well be since the boundaries are far beyond what the fuck we can understand, for instance if you look at my .gif it says there's a galaxy that shouldn't be able to exist because it defies the laws of physics, so you're obviously wrong[/QUOTE]
The boundaries of the universe we cannot understand or comprehend, but what we do know is there is not an infinite amount of matter, it all came from one place, and since it all came from one place it is expanding. The "universe" in the sense of all the parts that contain matter is expanding, but the boundaries, we just don't know.
[QUOTE=XcoliahX;14151400]I know, and that's one of the things I was saying, is that basically we have 5 billion years to explore the cosmos, figure out the meaning of life and corrupt humanity even more.[/QUOTE]
We now have the power to do what ever the fuck we want. When the sun engulfs our solar system, we will move away. When we start to evolve into something we don't want, we will make some medicine to stop it. If we can't physically adapt to a new world, we will fucking make ourselves half man half machine. We could absolutely do all of this in only 500 years. What makes you think we couldn't do it in 5 billion?
[QUOTE=Jack Bryce;14151760]The universe would have to be expanding at a rate faster than the speed of light for the light to never reach us. So, the question is, is the universe expanding faster than the speed of light?[/QUOTE]
It mysteriously was at the instant of the big bang but it is not anymore. The light would reach us anyway because light is a constant. E=MC² There is no Doppler effect for the speed of light.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;14159654]Funny how us humans are trying to understand something googles bigger than us.[/QUOTE]
You meant a googol.
Also it's not funny, it's actually really interestinga and surprising how close we came yet.
[QUOTE=frontman001;14168027]The boundaries of the universe we cannot understand or comprehend, but what we do know is there is not an infinite amount of matter, it all came from one place, and since it all came from one place it is expanding. The "universe" in the sense of all the parts that contain matter is expanding, but the boundaries, we just don't know.[/QUOTE]
Space mustn't have boundaries, could be infinitely big or limited but is sure still expanding - At least locally where we are.
Matter can also be created out of energy and that's how it's supposed matter came into existance after the inflation: The inflaton, the field being responsible for the universe growing up in the beginning is supposed to be collapsed and it's energy materialized as matter.
Same now can happen. All over energy-density of space is also been supposed to be constant. So if you have a negative part of energy (e.g. dark energy which is also supposed to make space expand) the must be a positive counter-part - Or the all-over energy can't be constant. And this counter-part can now again materialize to matter.
This was a little excerpt of many current hypotheses combined in a few sentences. Not that it's a hypothesis - There is sadly not imperical evidence yet but you can never know. And they are much better for explaining the universe than "other ideas posted by internet-people in this thread" yet. Especially because they origin from physicist and not from teenagers.
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