Religion Of Christianity - General

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43870711]He can't? Will he get a fine for not follow a rule he made? For an all powerful being he sure is powerless in a lot of scenarios.[/QUOTE] He won't, it's different. It means he can breaks his rules, but he doesn't. It's simple, if you can't follow your own rules, how do you expect other people to follow them?

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43870566]God cannot interfere directly. It's against his own rules. All he can do is give people a "head up" and even so, he won't force people.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what rule you're talking about, but the Christian God most definitely intervened in the physical laws of nature. The miracles of Jesus are one of the foundational elements of proving that he was more than just a man (as he told John the Baptist what asked).

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43870566]God cannot interfere directly. It's against his own rules. All he can do is give people a "head up" and even so, he won't force people.[/QUOTE] A "head up" is still an intervention. As is the immaculate conception of Christ, all miracles performed by Christ, interactions with Moses and other Old Testament figures, and so on.

[QUOTE=sgman91;43871662]I'm not sure what rule you're talking about, but the Christian God most definitely intervened in the physical laws of nature. The miracles of Jesus are one of the foundational elements of proving that he was more than just a man (as he told John the Baptist what asked).[/QUOTE] Yes, but Jesus also said that everyone is able to do what he did. So he didn't broke any law, he was just more capable than his peers.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43872287]Yes, but Jesus also said that everyone is able to do what he did. So he didn't broke any law, he was just more capable than his peers.[/QUOTE] Everyone is able to violate the fundamental laws of physics? [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] Alternatively, Jesus expressed no supernatural powers while he was alive, and subsequent retellings of his activities naturally became exaggerated and merged with other folk stories until they were eventually recorded several hundred years later as pseudepigraphica.

[QUOTE=Ziks;43872328]Everyone is able to violate the fundamental laws of physics? [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] Alternatively, Jesus expressed no supernatural powers while he was alive, and subsequent retellings of his activities naturally became exaggerated and merged with other folk stories until they were eventually recorded several hundred years later as pseudepigraphica.[/QUOTE] Either the laws of physics are not what we understand or the people around him didn't understand what he was doing and thought that he was doing magic. Either way, no laws were violated.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43872534]Either the laws of physics are not what we understand or the people around him didn't understand what he was doing and thought that he was doing magic. Either way, no laws were violated.[/QUOTE] Or, more rationally, the alternative I mentioned. Remember that the accounts of Jesus's exploits weren't written by eye witnesses?

[QUOTE=Ziks;43872549]Or, more rationally, the alternative I mentioned. Remember that the accounts of Jesus's exploits weren't written by eye witnesses?[/QUOTE] Yes, that's why we shouldn't be all that fixed on the "What happened" and more on the meaning behind the tales. IMO, every part of a religion that relies only on believe isn't really good. We should stick to what's pratical, like the lessons.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43872733]The lessons are common sense in our society. You don't have to join a religion to learn stabbing isn't very nice[/QUOTE] No, but you may have to in order to learn that you shouldn't do it even if it massively benefits you and you won't get caught. If nothing else, Religion seems to put a definite capital W on the word Wrong.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43872678]Yes, that's why we shouldn't be all that fixed on the "What happened" and more on the meaning behind the tales. IMO, every part of a religion that relies only on believe isn't really good. We should stick to what's pratical, like the lessons.[/QUOTE] That sounds pretty decent to me, as long as the religion doesn't teach against questioning dogma or promotes ignorance.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43872791]So it doesn't do anything special that you can't do without, in other words.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I mean, who needs morality anyways? Murdering the mistress that will ruin your life by exposing you is perfectly alright so long as you don't get caught. Am I right or am I right?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43872761]No, but you may have to in order to learn that you shouldn't do it even if it massively benefits you and you won't get caught. If nothing else, Religion seems to put a definite capital W on the word Wrong.[/QUOTE] It does? Does it do this in a non arbitrary manner? The "objective morality" of your god is subjective unless you can prove your god is real beyond a shadow of a doubt

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43872733]The lessons are common sense in our society. You don't have to join a religion to learn stabbing isn't very nice[/QUOTE] It wasn't common sense back then. Today you might think it's a good idea to wash your dick between fucks or help those who can't help themselves.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43872814]Yeah, I mean, who needs morality anyways? Murdering the mistress that will ruin your life by exposing you is perfectly alright so long as you don't get caught. Am I right or am I right?[/QUOTE] Well we need morality. That's why we've developed a lot of systems to try and equalize things and make life better for everyone

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43872847]It wasn't common sense back then. Today you might think it's a good idea to wash your dick between fucks or help those who can't help themselves.[/QUOTE] So I ask you, do the rules of the ancient world apply to us today? there are much of the biblical rules modern followers dismiss so which is it, when does gods word change?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43872863]You're wrong in every thread and this one is no different. Religion has no use in our current society, or any. Proof: atheists aren't all raping/murdering/stealing dickholes[/QUOTE] Exactly, I relegate all that stuff to only Tuesday nights after my weekly feast of live babies.

Knowing what is nice and socially acceptable =/= Grounds for action given that you won't get caught and it benefits you massively. How would you answer the Million Dollar Button Thought experiment? You are brought into a room and are assured (By some means or another) that you will not be affected by negative consequences. You are shown a big red button and are told that this button will cause the murder of one person in the world, and you will recieve on million dollars. What do you do, and why? [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] Also, you don't need to know what is objectively wrong in every case in order for the to be an objective wrong.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43873000]You are brought into a room and are assured (By some means or another) that you will not be affected by negative consequences.[/QUOTE] So does it rewire my brain to eliminate the guilt I would otherwise experience? Because that's a negative consequence.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43872678]Yes, that's why we shouldn't be all that fixed on the "What happened" and more on the meaning behind the tales. IMO, every part of a religion that relies only on believe isn't really good. We should stick to what's pratical, like the lessons.[/QUOTE] The lessons are only meaningful if they are predicated on the belief system.

[QUOTE=Ziks;43873034]So does it rewire my brain to eliminate the guilt I would otherwise experience? Because that's a negative consequence.[/QUOTE] Sure

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43873064]Sure[/QUOTE] Well if I didn't feel guilt and was aware that I wouldn't feel any guilt then there would be nothing stopping me.

[QUOTE=Ziks;43873089]Well if I didn't feel guilt and was aware that I wouldn't feel any guilt then there would be nothing stopping me.[/QUOTE] I guess atheists aren't so morally responsible after all. I wouldn't. Even if you placed a personal negative consequence upon not pressing the button as well. [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43872852]Well we need morality. That's why we've developed a lot of systems to try and equalize things and make life better for everyone[/QUOTE] If I can violate morality, and get away with it. Why shouldn't I?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43873106]I guess atheists aren't so morally responsible after all. I wouldn't. Even if you placed a negative consequence upon not pressing the button as well.[/QUOTE] Maybe we are just more honest.

[QUOTE=Ziks;43873157]Maybe we are just more honest.[/QUOTE] No, you are just godless. If I added the qualifier of "No negative consequences, but Elohim will know" that would stop me. It wouldn't stop you. Some poor sod gets killed because someone thinks it's all about him.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;43872287]Yes, but Jesus also said that everyone is able to do what he did. So he didn't broke any law, he was just more capable than his peers.[/QUOTE] You're bending words here. If we are talking about physical laws, then Jesus by all means broke those laws. Based on his words you might also then believe that everyone can break those laws as well. It's also clear that the apostles who went to do miracles similar to Jesus did them in the name of Jesus and not in their own name. The teaching is clear that God is doing the miracles through those people, not that those people are doing the miracles.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43873185]No, you are just godless. If I added the qualifier of "No negative consequences, but Elohim will know" that would stop me. It wouldn't stop you. Some poor sod gets killed because someone thinks it's all about him.[/QUOTE] wow you're getting pretty offensive, rude, and very unhumble very christian of you to declare your moral superiority so surely with a horrible thought experiment that doesn't represent how you would really react in such a different circumstance than what you currently understand

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43873209]wow you're getting pretty offensive, rude, and very unhumble very christian of you to declare your moral superiority so surely with a horrible thought experiment that doesn't represent how you would really react in such a different circumstance than what you currently understand[/QUOTE] How is godless not an applicable term for an atheist? An atheist by definition recognizes no god.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43873106]I guess atheists aren't so morally responsible after all. I wouldn't. Even if you placed a personal negative consequence upon not pressing the button as well. [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] If I can violate morality, and get away with it. Why shouldn't I?[/QUOTE] Because you shouldn't do something that affects other people in a way you wouldn't want to be affected but you know, we're godless fucking heathens who would stab you in the eye for a penny, right?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43873218]How is godless not an applicable term for an atheist? An atheist by definition recognizes no god.[/QUOTE] Oh I agree it's the rest of your bullshit that's offensive.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43873220]Because you shouldn't do something that affects other people in a way you wouldn't want to be affected but you know, we're godless fucking heathens who would stab you in the eye for a penny, right?[/QUOTE] Wow language mister. I didn't call you a heathen. And why [i][b]should[/b][/i] You do that?