[QUOTE=neap tide;17737142][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7293237/[/url]
There's even a website for it;
[url]http://www.prayer-for-cancer.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
That's not a study, that's a news article about a single person and a quote that says there are studies.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17737135]A theory in science being an explanation for a natural phenomenon proven to be true AKA A FACT.[/QUOTE]
Evolution hasn't been fully proven to be true. Just like religion, it has holes in it. Missing information, invalid proof, etc. So just because it seems logical doesn't mean it's 100% fact. That's what I'm getting at. I do believe that evolution does take place but you can't just assume that all religions are absolutely nuts because a different group believes we evolved from primates.
Stumbled on this. It's pretty cool
[media]http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2_Darwin%20tree.jpg[/media]
[QUOTE=neap tide;17737142][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7293237/[/url]
There's even a website for it;
[url]http://www.prayer-for-cancer.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
That's a nice dead link, here's one that works:
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html[/url]
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737160]Evolution hasn't been fully proven to be true. Just like religion, it has holes in it. Missing information, invalid proof, etc. So just because it seems logical doesn't mean it's 100% fact. That's what I'm getting at. I do believe that evolution does take place but you can't just assume that all religions are absolutely nuts because a different group believes we evolved from primates.[/QUOTE]
The only flaws in evolution are the minor problems in how it occurs. The fact that we evolve in undisputed.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737160]Evolution hasn't been fully proven to be true. Just like religion, it has holes in it. Missing information, invalid proof, etc. So just because it seems logical doesn't mean it's 100% fact. That's what I'm getting at. I do believe that evolution does take place but you can't just assume that all religions are absolutely nuts because a different group believes we evolved from primates.[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the video?
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737160]Evolution hasn't been fully proven to be true. Just like religion, it has holes in it. Missing information, invalid proof, etc. So just because it seems logical doesn't mean it's 100% fact. That's what I'm getting at. I do believe that evolution does take place but you can't just assume that all religions are absolutely nuts because a different group believes we evolved from primates.[/QUOTE]
It hasn't been 100% proven but it's certainly been far, far more proven than any religion. The problem is we are finding evidence to support evolution all the time and we have NEVER found proof of the existence of any kind of god.
I think that Evolution is correct because the evidence is right fucking there.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17737176]The only flaws in evolution are the minor problems in how it occurs. The fact that we evolve in undisputed.[/QUOTE]
Well yes we evolve now but do we have any actual proof of what we evolved from? I mean all of the assumptions are logical but no actual proof. I don't feel like arguing over two subjects I really don't care about so I'm done here. And to the mod who asked, no, I didn't watch the video.
Guys, don't debate. We all know evolution is true, it's all about Lamarkian Evolution baby.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737206]Well yes we evolve now but do we have any actual proof of what we evolved from? I mean all of the assumptions are logical but no actual proof. I don't feel like arguing over two subjects I really don't care about so I'm done here. And to the mod who asked, no, I didn't watch the video.[/QUOTE]
Watch it. It basically shows all the proof showing how we know what we know about what we evolved from, addressing your claim.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737206]Well yes we evolve now but do we have any actual proof of what we evolved from? I mean all of the assumptions are logical but no actual proof. I don't feel like arguing over two subjects I really don't care about so I'm done here. And to the mod who asked, no, I didn't watch the video.[/QUOTE]
So... You don't get it, so it's not how it works. Ok then.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17737224]Watch it. It basically shows all the proof showing how we know what we know about what we evolved from, addressing your claim.[/QUOTE]
Well basically as I said, I believe that evolution is real and I accept it as a logical scientific theory. I was originally posting simply to say that you guys shouldn't just blindly defend it without looking at both sides of the spectrum. Yes it's a 100% logical theory in my opinion but someone else might think it sounds insane. I'm not arguing over the truth value of evolution, I'm arguing over the blind defenders of evolution.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737246]Well basically as I said, I believe that evolution is real and I accept it as a logical scientific theory. I was originally posting simply to say that you guys shouldn't just blindly defend it without looking at both sides of the spectrum. Yes it's a 100% logical theory in my opinion but someone else might think it sounds insane. I'm not arguing over the truth value of evolution, I'm arguing over the blind defenders of evolution.[/QUOTE]
And I'm saying that I don't blindly defend it. I put forward objective and verifiable proof to anyone who asks.
Blind defending would be "EVOLUTION IS TRUE FUCK OFF".
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737246]Well basically as I said, I believe that evolution is real and I accept it as a logical scientific theory. I was originally posting simply to say that you guys shouldn't just blindly defend it without looking at both sides of the spectrum. Yes it's a 100% logical theory in my opinion but someone else might think it sounds insane. I'm not arguing over the truth value of evolution, I'm arguing over the blind defenders of evolution.[/QUOTE]
How is it blind? We defend it because we understand how it works, and see it as a natural way for things to happen. Genesis, creation from nothing seems FAR more impractical and impossible. You can't possibly advocate thinking that actively fails to work.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17737265]And I'm saying that I don't blindly defend it. I put forward objective and verifiable proof to anyone who asks.
Blind defending would be "EVOLUTION IS TRUE FUCK OFF".[/QUOTE]
Yeah I wasn't adressing that statement at you. But I have seen more than one user on Facepunch do exactly what you just said. I mean you're entitled to your beliefs but you don't have to be annoying about it.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;17737281]Yeah I wasn't adressing that statement at you. But I have seen more than one user on Facepunch do exactly what you just said. I mean you're entitled to your beliefs but you don't have to be annoying about it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but in the end evolution is obviously true, so what does it matter.
If they say "fuck it", then lettem.
Yeah don't give Creationism shit because it's referring to god
[QUOTE=neap tide;17737331]Yeah don't give Creationism shit because it's referring to god[/QUOTE]
Creationism has got to be one of the most illogical idea out there.
Please tell me you don't think the earth was made in 6000 years...
uhh yeah
[QUOTE=neap tide;17737331]Yeah don't give Creationism shit because it's referring to god[/QUOTE]
I don't recognize it as a legitimate idea because it blatantly contradicts reality.
[QUOTE=neap tide;17737361]uhh yeah[/QUOTE]
And let me guess: the devil planted dinosaur bones to test our faith?
[QUOTE=neap tide;17737361]uhh yeah[/QUOTE]
I don't even know what to say to this...
Theories encompass laws, facts, evidence, etc.... The THEORY of evolution is supported by facts, and evidence that's been studied and tested in labs.
Let me grab a nice video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg[/url]
See, the internet is a wealth of information, as long as you find reputable sources.
Science is not meant to disprove religious ideals, because that's not how it works. I'll give you an example. Say we have a turtle, and we're supposed to vote what we believe the sex of the turtle is. 80% say the turtle is male, 20% say the turtle is female, however later it is revealed that the turtle is female through observation and experimentation(not that it takes much). That's basically what science does. It just reports its findings as accuratly as it can, through extensive research, experimentation, and peer review.
And what is happening now is that faux scientists are trying to claim bullshit as science, without using proper study, radioactive dating(Not just carbon dating, but other forms as well), experimentation, etc... That's where you get all of this creatio...oops, I mean intelligent design from.
Every single piece of so called evidence from ID scientists has been proven false when put up to the scrutiny of real scientists. There's plenty of evidence out there, especially enough evidence out there to explain it in terms even the most non-retarded person can understand.
And while someone brought up praying as something that works...
If praying works, then why doesn't god heal amputees through the power of prayer?
Why would god let children be born deformed, retarded, and even incomplete?
If you're gonna get on the god subject, then try to use something other than that kiddy shit you were taught in church. If you really want to convince someone about your god, then you need evidence in this day in age. The days of submissive peasants are over(at least in developed countires). Sure there are still many religious people, but it's easy to indoctrine small children who don't know any better.
[QUOTE=HeadshotDCS;17737430]Why would god let children be born deformed, retarded, and even incomplete?[/QUOTE]
Well, presumably even God gets bored.
[QUOTE=TH89;17737455]Well, presumably even God gets bored.[/QUOTE]
I'd be bored as shit too if I had infinite power and I had already created the universe
I gotta go to bed God's right!! night!
[QUOTE=neap tide;17737543]I gotta go to bed God's right!! night![/QUOTE]
Don't forget to pray!
God only exist in the mind of the people who believe in him/her.
It/he/she didn't create the universe, nor human beings.
The point of a God is so that people should have something to rely on.
A place to go to when you need help etc.
The Bible is a guide for life. Again, to help you out.
IT'S NOT A BOOK OF FACTS.
[QUOTE=Von Kluth;17737593]The Bible is a guide for life. Again, to help you out.[/QUOTE]
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.
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