What's the Point of Anarchy? - General

[QUOTE=Lankist;15478985]Seriously, though, I've searched for whatever fucking definition of "communal" he's talking about but the only definitions out there elaborate on the fact that "communal" is simply an adjective used to attribute the characteristic of a community, antithesis to isolationism. The natives were a fucking community, they lived, slept and ate together based not on personal gain or property but purely for the good of the whole. That's a fucking communal existence. Time period doesn't matter, it's not like communes are a new idea. [editline]06:42AM[/editline] I can't wait another hour for him to come up with whatever illegitimate definition he's cooked up in his own head, I'll check back to see what nonsense he's spewed tomorrow.[/QUOTE] I love internet arguments. I'm glad I quit on them :clint:

What do you guys think about a technate/technocracy? I'm doing research.

[QUOTE=lmaoboat;15478552]ITT: Person who thinks morals would mean anything without a government.[/QUOTE] No, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

i bet the idea of anarchy was invented so people that aren't dumb have an excuse to laugh at the proponents of it

[QUOTE=Lankist;15478985]Seriously, though, I've searched for whatever fucking definition of "communal" he's talking about but the only definitions out there elaborate on the fact that "communal" is simply an adjective used to attribute the characteristic of a community, antithesis to isolationism. The natives were a fucking community, they lived, slept and ate together based not on personal gain or property but purely for the good of the whole. That's a fucking communal existence. Time period doesn't matter, it's not like communes are a new idea. [editline]06:42AM[/editline] I can't wait another hour for him to come up with whatever illegitimate definition he's cooked up in his own head, I'll check back to see what nonsense he's spewed tomorrow.[/QUOTE] You're getting wet. [editline]07:29AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ImBill;15479493]i bet the idea of anarchy was invented so people that aren't dumb have an excuse to laugh at the proponents of it[/QUOTE] Take a gander at G20 under a microscope and you find this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism[/url]

[QUOTE=Jiffysnoof;15479514]You're getting wet. [editline]07:29AM[/editline] Take a gander at G20 under a microscope and you find this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism[/url][/QUOTE] Be a pal and summarise it in a couple of lines.

Anarchy is the lack of all governing power. Therefor it has no point and is fucking stupid. [B]EDIT:[/B] I hate it when little pricks think they're cool because they call themselves Anarchist.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;15478656]More or less. There's really 2 forms of anarchy. there's the teenage "aNARCH3Y!!!1!" AND then there's the communal [I][U][B]anarchist state[/B][/U][/I]. There have already been plenty of communal societies, but they are usually embedded within normal countries, so it's nothing mass scale generally. In conclusion, anarchy in it's realistic state is like community government. There's no way to have a society with a [I]complete[/I] lack of government.[/QUOTE] Not all anarchism is communal. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism[/url]

Most likely will not see any type of anarchy till after a nuclear war folks.

Resource based economy FTW. But people aren't mentally prepared for such thing. Need to make average IQ at least 130 to make it happen.

[QUOTE=ImBill;15479493]i bet the idea of anarchy was invented so people that aren't dumb have an excuse to laugh at the proponents of it[/QUOTE] Don't you love these people? They pop into a thread without really reading it to insult a bunch of people (without any real reason), and then leave. Anyway, if I were to summarize this thread, it would be that most people hate anarchy because they only see the angsty teenager form, i.e. "Fuck the police, everything would be better without the government". However, despite the fact that these anti-anarchy types refuse to actually listen to us, this thread has revealed anarchy to be more of an ideal (thank you johnnymo1), and can and does have many different forms. As far as I know, no one here has actually stated that they would support "true" anarchy, simply because they weigh the risks to be higher than the benefits.

Anti-authoritarian angsty teens is what your average anarchist is being stereotyped as in this thread. (Even though there is no real anarchists in this thread)

[QUOTE=agun;15482643]Resource based economy FTW. But people aren't mentally prepared for such thing. Need to make average IQ at least 130 to make it happen.[/QUOTE] That's a bullshit statistic but yeah, I get your point, and that's what I was bringing up. I'm going to make a thread about the concept. Penny for your thoughts?

[QUOTE=kaskade700;15482761]Anti-authoritarian angsty teens is what your average anarchist is being stereotyped as in this thread. (Even though there is no real anarchists in this thread)[/QUOTE] Spooner's in ur thread, bein anarchistic [IMG]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x309/JohnnyMo1/lysander-spooner.jpg[/IMG] This thread is a great example of why real anarchists have it so shitty. They get lumped in with the moronic, Hot Topic teenagers when some people truly believe sans government is the only moral way to live.

'some men just want to watch the world burn.'

we live in an anarchy atm

[QUOTE=Paramud;15477446]ITT: People think that you need a government in order to have morals.[/QUOTE] Well when someone's stabbing you, take a moment to inform them what they're doing is morally wrong.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;15468597]It doesn't make any sense. Anarchy is a total absense of government. Without government, there is disorder. Where there is disorder, people DIE. Also, there really is no way to establish anarchy, because even if you totally get rid of government, people are going to make up their own rules, their own laws, and their own system of rule. People will just build up another government. Anarchy, in my opinion, is utterly pointless. Discuss.[/QUOTE] My guess is it was thought up by some angsty I-HATE-MY-PARENTS 13 year old all hyped up on testosterone. Other whiny brats followed suit cause they don't want to follow rules.

You are all clearly forgetting what anarchy would do to businesses, productivity, monetary and electronic life. The markets would crash, since every company is founded on some form of "government" with a CEO and a board of directors. With no one to set the laws, companies would have no laws restricting them to do anything. I mean, they could snatch you up on the streets and use you as test animal with nothing you can do about it. Also, since no one is controlling the monetary situation in a national bank, the inflation would rise to catastrophic levels and crash monetary value to a point where it is pointless to have it. With a crash of monetary markets, the desire to work automatically expires, since people are getting nothing out of their work. This leads to a complete meltdown of people's living conditions as no products or electronic equipment is not being made. Houses begin to fall down since people don't produce the simpel stuff like hammers. People can try and make the same, but you can't a drilling machine if you haven't worked with it before. With anarchy, you would need a new society with no recolection of electronic life. As well as the population would need to be small to keep somebody from making all decisions. anarchy = total meltdown of all economical, business related and productive matters. You are speaking of people who will be desperate for food and will probably beat the common man down to see if he has food. Since you can't buy anything, you would have to trade and if you had nothing to trade with, you would have to kill for what you want.

I say anarchy is ethically better than a controlled lifestyle. Who are the government to tell you what you can and cannot do? If you want to do something, you do it. You only live once.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15484996]I say anarchy is ethically better than a controlled lifestyle. Who are the government to tell you what you can and cannot do? If you want to do something, you do it. You only live once.[/QUOTE] Yes, who is to tell you that you can't rape the woman living just outside your house? Because she is clearly screaming for you to stop impeding on her freedom, but you don't care. Who is to say you shouldn't do that?

Wait, what if we have an Anarcho-Syndicist commune, with bi-weekly elections for representatives?

If everyone wanted anarchy to work, it would. If there was a system where everyone thought that they should help society, and other people, and be nice to everyone, it would work. Unfortunately, people are evil bastards. [editline]06:00PM[/editline] Personally, I think the almost anarchic stance taken by the Dark in Night Watch is the best you'll get; freedom to do as ever you wish, so long as you don't impede the freedom of others. Only problem is, who's going to make sure you don't?

[QUOTE=Beafman;15485037]Yes, who is to tell you that you can't rape the woman living just outside your house? Because she is clearly screaming for you to stop impeding on her freedom, but you don't care. Who is to say you shouldn't do that?[/QUOTE] It's harsh but it's your life. Besides, someone will make you pay for it even with no society. Edit: Also, with sex laws gone why would you rape someone in the first place when you could have sex with anyone who was willing? It's a no-brainer.

[QUOTE=Shodansbreak;15470692]What I mean to say is that they decide if someone is guilty or innocent. So they HELP decide the lives of their peers.[/QUOTE] You mean to say they vote? Oh wait... [QUOTE=coilgunner;15470821]I think anarchy is straight up natural selection, where nobody picks sides.[/QUOTE] No, because natural selection selected for societies where people settle down and live communally to such an extent that natural selection has been completely eliminated in the civilised world, applied to humans. Who's more likely to pass on their genes: Ug, a person who lives in a world with no laws, where a man could go on a mad head bashing spree just because he doesn't like people, or Kevin Anderson, a man from a town with plumbing, electricity, fresh food and lots of laws? [QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15484996]I say anarchy is ethically better than a controlled lifestyle. Who are the government to tell you what you can and cannot do? If you want to do something, you do it. You only live once.[/QUOTE] Of course, under anarchy that once is significantly shorter. Anyway, the government is elected by the people, and the people want to be looked after so they don't have to worry about constant danger, lack of society etc. If you had to choose between Big Brother and anarchy I might understand your viewpoint more, but you have it pretty cushy! [QUOTE=thisispain;15473098]What's the point of deconstructionism?[/QUOTE] I'm stealing that.

[QUOTE=Splurgy;15485136]Of course, under anarchy that once is significantly shorter. Anyway, the government is elected by the people, and the people want to be looked after so they don't have to worry about constant danger, lack of society etc. If you had to choose between Big Brother and anarchy I might understand your viewpoint more, but you have it pretty cushy! [/QUOTE] Generally most crimes are committed to make a stand against the crime system itself. Sure, it would be slightly mad but it would balance itself out in the end.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15468986]ITT people don't realize anarchy is not a permanent state, instead a temporary transitional phase that only exists until a new form of law and government is established. Anarchy does not last.[/QUOTE] Close, but in actuality no form of government will ever last permanently.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485129]It's harsh but it's your life. Besides, someone will make you pay for it even with no society. Edit: Also, with sex laws gone why would you rape someone in the first place when you could have sex with anyone who was willing? It's a no-brainer.[/QUOTE] First off, Rape is rarely about the sex, and secondly, you're under the (sad) assumption that there would be a large amount of people who would just walk up to someone on the street and ask for sex.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15484996]I say anarchy is ethically better than a controlled lifestyle. Who are the government to tell you what you can and cannot do? If you want to do something, you do it. You only live once.[/QUOTE] They are educated and smarter than you. Don't.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485164]Generally most crimes are committed to make a stand against the crime system itself. Sure, it would be slightly mad but it would balance itself out in the end.[/QUOTE] You're saying crimes are committed just because there is a justice system? Did you really just say that?