What's the Point of Anarchy? - General

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485164]Generally most crimes are committed to make a stand against the crime system itself. .[/QUOTE] :dogout:

Yes, actually. I'm not saying ALL crimes are commited for that reason but many people do actually commit crimes because they're not meant to.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485164]Generally most crimes are committed to make a stand against the crime system itself. Sure, it would be slightly mad but it would balance itself out in the end.[/QUOTE] No they're not! Stop any two bit mugger on the street and find out if he's mugging as a result of the draconian laws of this fascist regime people call democracy. See if that rapist rapes in order to protest over the rule of the few over the many. Tell me, mob boss, why did you murder that bloke? To stand up to the bourgeoisie, right? The only people who'd survive in the end are those tough enough to fend for themselves. Either they'd kill each other, or they'd gradually re-establish civilisation ("Hey, I won't kill you if you grow crops for us" --> "You and your families can keep growing crops if you give us this much food" // "Hey, I'll trade you this cabbage for that hammer you just made" --> "Listen, folks, here's some coins for you to mess about with. Here's how much everything will cost...." etc.) Anarchy can't prevail.

Anarchy is inevitable in any governmental state.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485215]Yes, actually. I'm not saying ALL crimes are commited for that reason but many people do actually commit crimes because they're not meant to.[/QUOTE] So most rapes, murders, robberies, cop shootings, assaults, kidnappings, OD's, abuse, and other forms of crimes are committed [I]because people say they are bad things to do?[/I] [editline]01:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485262]Anarchy is inevitable in any governmental state.[/QUOTE] And usually when it happens we see true human degradation and deprivation, coupled with atrocities nations shudder to remember.

It's like telling a man not to think of a pink elephant. [editline]06:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;15485281]And usually when it happens we see true human degradation and deprivation, coupled with atrocities nations shudder to remember.[/QUOTE] You're being too badly influenced by things like the period of anarchy in Germany in the 1920s. Stepping back a looooong time ago; in the caveman days there was anarchy. But they lived and survived together because they were together. Yes, anarchy will become chaotic. But you can live happily with the safety of numbers.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485305]You're being too badly influenced by things like the period of anarchy in Germany in the 1920s. Stepping back a looooong time ago; in the caveman days there was anarchy. But they lived and survived together because they were together. [/QUOTE] Yeah, they also lived in caves and were considered old if they reached 30. How can you not see that civilisation is better than anarchy? The cavemen lived happily together - or perhaps they were forced to live together in order to fight off that other bunch of cavemen that kept on com- AARGH! I can't believe you tried to strengthen your argument on merit that "the cavemen did it"! Why would you want to live back then?

We could live much happier lives if we went back into solitary living, with our family and friends. You'll find that in most small villages and hamlets, people live happier and more fulfilled lives than those who live in huge, bustling cities. I've always thought that reverting back to a small, village-like lifestyle could solve many social problems we have today.

I'm pretty sure that these cavemen groups had some sort of structure to them, including some kind of leader. Which means it wasn't anarchy. I'm no scientist/wtfever, but usually with a big group, there is some kind of structure. The same goes for families. If I'm wrong, feel free to "JFASJFKA" at me.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15469205]Live in Somalia then.[/QUOTE] Somalia is far from anarchist. [editline]10:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;15485052]Wait, what if we have an Anarcho-Syndicist commune, with bi-weekly elections for representatives?[/QUOTE] Or a socialist commune where it is run by the people (ie. working class). Note of reference: Paris commune.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485575]We could live much happier lives if we went back into solitary living, with our family and friends. You'll find that in most small villages and hamlets, people live happier and more fulfilled lives than those who live in huge, bustling cities. I've always thought that reverting back to a small, village-like lifestyle could solve many social problems we have today.[/QUOTE] Guess what? Those communities have order, they have government, they have law.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485129]It's harsh but it's your life. Besides, someone will make you pay for it even with no society. Edit: Also, with sex laws gone why would you rape someone in the first place when you could have sex with anyone who was willing? It's a no-brainer.[/QUOTE] You might get raped and killed BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE FREE! I might get chained to a wall and tortured just for kicks, BUT AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE SOME GOVERNMENT TELLING ME WHAT TO DO! I might have all I own taken from me, my have family and freinds murdered, and forced to lick moss off the walls to survive, but I'll be happy because NOBODY'S TELLING ME WHAT TO DO! FUCK YEAH! ANARKY IN TEH USA!

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485575]We could live much happier lives if we went back into solitary living, with our family and friends. You'll find that in most small villages and hamlets, people live happier and more fulfilled lives than those who live in huge, bustling cities. I've always thought that reverting back to a small, village-like lifestyle could solve many social problems we have today.[/QUOTE] You want complete abdication of responsbility. If you, your family and your friends found yourself in a small village with no Government, where would you get food? You'd have to farm. Where'd you get the seeds? How would you find horses? Farming equipment? Without a Government, there's nobody to stop bandits coming in and stealing all the crops you [i]do[/i] manage to grow. And even if you tried to fight them off, where would you get guns? How would you make bullets for the guns? What would you do if the plumbing broke? How about if someone got ill? Without a centralised Government taking care of all that, you couldn't specialise. You couldn't phone for the doctor and then pop down to the local gardening shop for some tomato seeds because the people who'd be there are busy trying to grow stuff or dead. Going to live in a village is one thing, but anarchy is quite another.

[QUOTE=PromiscuousPancake;15485584]I'm pretty sure that these cavemen groups had some sort of structure to them, including some kind of leader. Which means it wasn't anarchy. I'm no scientist/wtfever, but usually with a big group, there is some kind of structure. The same goes for families. If I'm wrong, feel free to "JFASJFKA" at me.[/QUOTE] Leadership is not a government/structure. That is, as long as they retain the same rights as the other members of the group. [editline]06:47PM[/editline] Anarchy is a sure-fire way to a happy, fulfilled life. Your life may be shorter but at least it will have purpose rather than being a governmental drone working to collect your paycheque every day.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485742]Leadership is not a government/structure. That is, as long as they retain the same rights as the other members of the group.[/QUOTE] Oh, so Leadership is just some mystical thing floating around in the heavens, telling us what to do?

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485742]Leadership is not a government/structure. That is, as long as they retain the same rights as the other members of the group.[/QUOTE] Usually leaders have more privileges than others. One leader, numerous followers = dictatorship really. Which is a government. :v: I'm not claiming to know tons about government or anarchy, because I don't (honestly, government and everything related just bores me to death) so again, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485742] Anarchy is a sure-fire way to a happy, fulfilled life. Your life may be shorter but at least it will have purpose rather than being a governmental drone working to collect your paycheque every day.[/QUOTE] It would be a short, frightening existence, filled with uncertainty and violence. Imagine your typical dystopian city, filled with murderous bandits and rape gangs, that is Anarchy.

Leadership is someone leading people. If you had a group of people shipwrecked on an island, and one person led them to survival, that person would not be a [b]governmental[/b] leader. He aids them and gives them direction.

Who said there is a point to Anarchy?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;15485796]It would be a short, frightening existence, filled with uncertainty and violence. Imagine your typical dystopian city, filled with murderous bandits and rape gangs, that is Anarchy.[/QUOTE] You seem to think Anarchy is a lack of order. It is simply a lack of government. The word anarchy has been dirtied throughout the years.

Lack of government is pretty much lack of order if you really think about it. Government makes laws. Laws provide order. No government=no order.

Disorder is chaos. Lack of government does not directly cause chaos. If the government faded without anyone noticing then it would probably go on as normal for a good while.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485742] Anarchy is a sure-fire way to a happy, fulfilled life. Your life may be shorter but at least it will have purpose rather than being a governmental drone working to collect your paycheque every day.[/QUOTE] :ughh: You cannot choose what to do in anarchy, because the only thing you can do is survive. You're only purpose is to live until the next day, and most of your waking hours will be spent farming, hunting, defending your home,etc. Anarchy is not freedom, it's slavery to nature.

Not directly, no. Indirectly, yes. I'm pretty sure a government could not disappear without anyone noticing.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15485742]Anarchy is a sure-fire way to a happy, fulfilled life. Your life may be shorter but at least it will have purpose rather than being a governmental drone working to collect your paycheque every day.[/QUOTE] Well in that case, why are you still here? You could quite easily go off to the wilds of Canada or Siberia and do what you're talking about.

Child of the Wild at 15, yeah, great idea.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;15486886]Child of the Wild at 15, yeah, great idea.[/QUOTE] Well, why not? If you were living under the anarchy you proposed, you'd have to be fending for yourself by now.

There is no point, it's just something that stupid kidiots advocate because they think it's cool.

[QUOTE=Splurgy;15486933]Well, why not? If you were living under the anarchy you proposed, you'd have to be fending for yourself by now.[/QUOTE] No, he likes his iPod, HDTV, and Xbox too much. :v::v::v::v::v::v::v::v:

[QUOTE=PromiscuousPancake;15486976]No, he likes his iPod, HDTV, and Xbox too much. :v::v::v::v::v::v::v::v:[/QUOTE] You've hit the nail on the head.