[QUOTE=mynames2long;19651702]Wow, you have no idea how much I respect you for helping this guy out.[/QUOTE]
Wow I'm surprised so many people misunderstood this
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;19668085]Wow I'm surprised so many people misunderstood this[/QUOTE]
Haha, yeah. Partly my fault, really.
I like the beat at the start of the first one but it all seems to go downhill from there. Theory is your friend.
You need to learn how to limit and master, ASAP.
A good tool to start with (if you have it!) is the "Soundgoodizer" from the effects panel. Slap that onto the master and see what happens, with it's single control Circle it's perfect for newbies.
If you don't have the tool, use the Fruity Limiter. Also, you never want to these volume bars go into the red.
For the second song - It's not exactly my genere, but as far as i know, disharmonies longer than four bars are never pleasant.
Try to listen to songs you like and try remaking their chord progressions (how the chords change over time)
It's important that you get the base, the chords of the sing right so you can build a good melody around it, especially if the music should be the center of attention to the listener.
Feel free to PM me if you have questions concerning what i just said.
[QUOTE=ProudOne;19701562]You need to learn how to limit and master, ASAP.
A good tool to start with (if you have it!) is the "Soundgoodizer" from the effects panel. Slap that onto the master and see what happens, with it's single control Circle it's perfect for newbies.
If you don't have the tool, use the Fruity Limiter. Also, you never want to these volume bars go into the red.[/QUOTE]
Or, DON'T!
Just keep the volume low on all the individual channels, use "Fruity Compressor" if need be, and DON'T put a hard limiter on the master channel, or Maximus on the master channel, or any other limiter/compressor on the master channel.
Fruity limiter is good for [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHq9aToqvHU]sidechaining.[/url]
Fruity compressor is good for individual sounds, like drums.
Maximus, if used wisely, can help out with mastering, which is the LAST step of making a song.
[QUOTE=ProudOne;19701562]You need to learn how to limit and master, ASAP.
A good tool to start with (if you have it!) is the "Soundgoodizer" from the effects panel. Slap that onto the master and see what happens, with it's single control Circle it's perfect for newbies.
If you don't have the tool, use the Fruity Limiter. Also, you never want to these volume bars go into the red.
For the second song - It's not exactly my genere, but as far as i know, disharmonies longer than four bars are never pleasant.
Try to listen to songs you like and try remaking their chord progressions (how the chords change over time)
It's important that you get the base, the chords of the sing right so you can build a good melody around it, especially if the music should be the center of attention to the listener.
Feel free to PM me if you have questions concerning what i just said.[/QUOTE]
Thankyou very much for the help :) i appreciate it alot. I have just figured out how to alter the volume of each sound ( cant believe i missed it before ) I think i am finding it a bit easier with the chords now, although i cant make my own yet so i have to make a bass and add the chords through the riff maker ( is that bad ? ). also i have just heard your song from the other thread "flux" and it was really good. good work :)
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[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;19703897]Or, DON'T!
Just keep the volume low on all the individual channels, use "Fruity Compressor" if need be, and DON'T put a hard limiter on the master channel, or Maximus on the master channel, or any other limiter/compressor on the master channel.
Fruity limiter is good for [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHq9aToqvHU"]sidechaining.[/URL]
Fruity compressor is good for individual sounds, like drums.
Maximus, if used wisely, can help out with mastering, which is the LAST step of making a song.[/QUOTE]
Thats a really nice sounding effect :) but i thought if you alter the sounds in the fruity limiter it would do that to the whole song, im guessing im wrong. i will try to make some sort of descent sounding introduction now by using these tips. Thank you ever so much guys. you dont know how much this is helping me :)
Just as long as you don't put it on the [I]master channel.[/I]
[QUOTE=ProudOne;19701562]You need to learn how to limit and master, ASAP.
A good tool to start with (if you have it!) is the "Soundgoodizer" from the effects panel. Slap that onto the master and see what happens, with it's single control Circle it's perfect for newbies.
If you don't have the tool, use the Fruity Limiter. Also, you never want to these volume bars go into the red.
For the second song - It's not exactly my genere, but as far as i know, disharmonies longer than four bars are never pleasant.
Try to listen to songs you like and try remaking their chord progressions (how the chords change over time)
It's important that you get the base, the chords of the sing right so you can build a good melody around it, especially if the music should be the center of attention to the listener.
Feel free to PM me if you have questions concerning what i just said.[/QUOTE]
The fact that this guy is telling you to use soundgoodizer at all means that you should not be listening to anything else in his post regarding mixing or mastering.
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[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;19703897]Or, DON'T!
Just keep the volume low on all the individual channels, use "Fruity Compressor" if need be, and DON'T put a hard limiter on the master channel, or Maximus on the master channel, or any other limiter/compressor on the master channel.
Fruity limiter is good for [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHq9aToqvHU]sidechaining.[/url]
Fruity compressor is good for individual sounds, like drums.
Maximus, if used wisely, can help out with mastering, which is the LAST step of making a song.[/QUOTE]
There's absolutely nothing wrong with putting a compressor on the master channel if you actually know how to use a compressor. Saying a comp is just for individual sounds is just silly to be honest. I will bus my drums together and use some light compression over the top of the drum bus all the time to help gel the drums together, and compression is an incredibly common part of a lot of people's typical mastering chain.
It's funny that you're saying not to put a hard limiter on the master channel but then you said to put maximus on it when part of the maximus plug is a limiter.
The problem isn't when people put a hard limiter on the master, it's when they put a hard limiter on the master when they're already running all their levels too hot. You SHOULD have a limiter on your master bus otherwise you ARE going to get an occasional peak above 0dB. That's the thing people don't understand though, you don't use a limiter to increase volume beyond 2dB of gain increase or so, you use it to catch peaks and sharp transients to prevent clipping.
The important thing to emphasize would be that limiter != make things louder, limiter = catch peaks. If you want to bring the volume up on things you have to check your mix and do compression and careful EQing of individual elements so everything fits together well.
[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;19712267]The fact that this guy is telling you to use soundgoodizer at all means that you should not be listening to anything else in his post regarding mixing or mastering.
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Thanks, Gee ;D
When i started to grasp composing, I used it because I didn't get all this specific mixing stuff yet - and it did it's job, roughly, yes, but it did what I wanted.
Thought I'd give it as good advice to someone who's new to composing and has to concentrate on that first because there wouldn't be anything of value to mix anyway without the ability to make the initial composing.
The problem is that if you've got something like soundgoodizer on your master you're going to fuck up the EQ and dynamics on everything else and you're very very likely to develop bad mixing habits, which is definitely something you want to avoid.
The best advice you can give someone who is starting out is to mix at low levels and turn the speakers up when they want to hear things louder. That's a big mistake that a lot of beginners make and is no doubt what you were doing too.
When I mix, I mix around my drums, and I keep my drums peaking around -10dB (that's all the drums in the song together peaking at -10, not each individual drum hit).
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