• Enough of the religion bashing
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[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;25887467]Now, hang on. You're insinuating that the religious don't value logic, a derogatory connotation. As a Catholic, I can tell you that belief in God isn't against logic - rather, God is beyond logic, and need not be proved by physical, Earthly measures. But, I won't go any further - just don't assume that the religious are all illogical.[/QUOTE] i didnt say they were all illogical. i said they held an illogical belief. given that: 1. logic is a science 2. falsifiability is a required component of something being scientific god is therefore, not scientific and therefore illogical.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;25887467]Now, hang on. You're insinuating that the religious don't value logic, a derogatory connotation. As a Catholic, I can tell you that belief in God isn't against logic - rather, God is beyond logic, and need not be proved by physical, Earthly measures. But, I won't go any further - just don't assume that the religious are all illogical.[/QUOTE] Nothing is beyond logic,thats retarded and illogical. Nothing is beyond proof and science. So ironic. [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;25887509]i didnt say they were all illogical. i said they held an illogical belief. given that: 1. logic is a science 2. falsifiability is a required component of something being scientific god is therefore, not scientific and therefore illogical.[/QUOTE] You're good at this.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887373]okay but logic isnt subjective. its like the whole issue with calling something "just a theory". it isnt subjective to a persons opinion.[/QUOTE] I see what you're saying, but I'm still sticking to the idea of what I said. Religious belief in a staunch theist's mind is as realistic to them as scientific knowledge is to an atheist. It doesn't matter if it conflicts with faith because belief is reality to a theist.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25887482]Also i can see why some atheists would like to talk about there beliefs on the internet. its because the religious get to push all they want in real life and if an atheist says something they are viewed like they are hitler, but on the internet they could say what they want without being bullied[/QUOTE] Correct, but doesn't prove us wrong.
[QUOTE=RayDark;25887527]Correct, but doesn't prove us wrong.[/QUOTE] i wasnt trying to with that post
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887522]I see what you're saying, but I'm still sticking to the idea of what I said. Religious belief in a staunch theist's mind is as realistic to them as scientific knowledge is to an atheist. It doesn't matter if it conflicts with faith because belief is reality to a theist.[/QUOTE]Theists believing something doesn't make it true, scientific knowledge IS true.
[QUOTE=BBKF;25887447]You have used 0 examples to prove I'm generalizing, but every time you just prove your knowledge of the word generalization is wrong. I proved you wrong, showed you how stupid you are, and now you need to resort to saying the same shit over and over again. And bashing? Quote my post where I bashed any member of a religion? Other than saying in general religion is illogical, which it quite obviously is.[/QUOTE] You are telling people that their religion is wrong and illogical, based on your idea that the illogical is also the incorrect. You are telling them these things even if they do not say anything negative towards you as a result of your past experiences such as when you talk about the pope and africa, extremists and how religious power is abused. Those are the examples of you generalising, because you feel compelled that all the religious people will in some way effect your life and that they must be told that they are illogical in an attempt to make them waver towards their beliefs. I see no palce where you proved me wrong and you are generalising as you are using a few specific cases to draw a conclusion about all religious people as somehow their beliefs having an effect on your life. [QUOTE=benzi2k7;25887541]Theists believing something doesn't make it true, scientific knowledge IS true.[/QUOTE] Scientific knowledge is not true, in fact it is unknown. Science is an attempt to find the most plausible explanations, not to find facts because nothing can be proven as 100% infallible.
Also can any religious guy respond to my post up the page? I honestly want to know what you think of that and what makes you think you're special.
[QUOTE=RayDark;25887442]Still, the protestants branched off of Catholicism, and believe that the bible is the source of all authority and decisions.[/QUOTE] Irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887522]I see what you're saying, but I'm still sticking to the idea of what I said. [b]Religious belief in a staunch theist's mind is as realistic to them as scientific knowledge is to an atheist.[/b] It doesn't matter if it conflicts with faith because belief is reality to a theist.[/QUOTE] okay but its still retarded.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;25887364]None of this probably makes sense since I'm tired as hell but oh well. I don't care that they believe in something I don't see any point to believing. To me it's more about the people who suffer because of religions, the women who are persecuted, the homosexuals who have their rights taken away from them. The children who suffer daily because they are acused of having spirts inside them or being possessed by demons, who are then beaten to "force" the demons out of them. The thousands of children who are indoctrinated are are told that they will BURN IN HELL if they do not be good, I'm sorry but telling children that they will suffer and will go to Hell if they're bad is a horrible horrible thing. Extremist Muslims who terrorize their country, beat and stone women and blow themselves up for their all mighty God. Extremist Christians who tell gay people that they're evil and being who they are is a sin and they will burn forever for it. I can't take religion seriously when all these terrible things happen and I can't believe in a God who is supposed to be almighty and good when he lets these things happen and countless other terrible things. Natural distasters, stillbirths, murder, rape, torture, slaughter, all of these things could be stopped in an instant by your so called benevolent God, yet he doesn't. I just find it awfully egocentric to think you "feel" God or know he's there, or know you have a special place after you die while others, who are much much more deserving, live their life like it's basically Hell. You have a right to believe what you want but I in no way respect your belief system or God.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=benzi2k7;25887547]Also can any religious guy respond to my post up the page? I honestly want to know what you think of that and what makes you think you're special.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;25887571] hey guis notice me[/QUOTE] knock it off
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25887545]You are telling people that their religion is wrong and illogical, based on your idea that the illogical is also the incorrect. You are telling them these things even if they do not say anything negative towards you as a result of your past experiences such as when you talk about the pope and africa, extremists and how religious power is abused. Those are the examples of you generalising, because you feel compelled that all the religious people will in some way effect your life and that they must be told that they are illogical in an attempt to make them waver towards their beliefs.[/QUOTE] Oh you're such a stupid whore, and you trapped me in your fucking horrible circular argument. YOU asked me how religion could affect me. I gave 3 examples of have religion can affect the lives of others. FOR THE LAST 5 POSTS YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT CALL THE EXAMPLES I GAVE YOU GENERALIZATIONS, YOU FUCKING ASKED FOR HOW RELIGION COULD AFFECT YOU. You're definitely the worst poster I've ever seen, worse than all the trolls, loud mouth furries, spammers and shit poster put together. I hate you, you're the reason people think my generation is bunch of stupid fucking kids.
saying god is beyond logic is practically saying you have no reason to believe in him
[QUOTE=LCBADs;25887593]knock it off[/QUOTE] What? It's relevant and a valid point, I'm interested in what they have to say. So it's more of a "hey guis, since this is a discussion n all can u like plz respond to my point??"
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;25887541]Theists believing something doesn't make it true, scientific knowledge IS true.[/QUOTE] It's true to them, though. That's what I'm trying to say. Calling them illogical won't help anything because faith doesn't follow the rules of logic. I know that that sounds [i]exactly[/i] like I'm saying faith is illogical but what I mean is that faith is a completely separate form of thinking. Logic doesn't really apply to faith is what I'm saying I guess. It's similar to how 'belief' doesn't coincide with 'knowing.' I don't really know how to phrase this.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25887598]saying god is beyond logic is practically saying you have no reason to believe in him[/QUOTE] its an easy cop out though
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887624]its an easy cop out though[/QUOTE] I can also say that about bigfoot and anything i want ever
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887557]okay but its still retarded.[/QUOTE] Stellar response
Religious threads on FP're always fun :buddy:
[QUOTE=BBKF;25887596]Oh you're such a stupid whore, and you trapped me in your fucking horrible circular argument. YOU asked me how religion could affect me. I gave 3 examples of have religion can affect the lives of others. FOR THE LAST 5 POSTS YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT CALL THE EXAMPLES I GAVE YOU GENERALIZATIONS, YOU FUCKING ASKED FOR HOW RELIGION COULD AFFECT YOU.[/QUOTE] Wow... really? I said to stop complaining about religious people as they have no effect on your life. You then used 3 examples to back up your claim that they do actually influence your life. Fair enough, those people do, but you are actually coming into this thread to directly tell religious people they are wrong when you shouldn't be because they do not have an influence on your life. I was not saying that your examples are wrong, or that you shouldn't be trying to prove them wrong. I am saying you should not be trying to do the same to people who did not do these things simply because they are religious.
It's illogical to believe in a deity. A deity is unknowable and thus can't be illogical.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887635]Stellar response[/QUOTE] its 3:20am i am slipping.
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887173] because the american public will not elect an atheist.[/QUOTE] Or because there are few atheists running for office.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887677]You should stop I'm sure you're a nice guy but just stop At least read your post before you hit submit[/QUOTE] Why should I stop? I do read it and am trying to explain to this man why I am saying he is generalising. Will you be so kind to point out why I should stop?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887663]its 3:20am i am slipping.[/QUOTE] Same, but I'm glad that it remained calm between an very clever atheist and a semi-theist
Ironic as hell seeing as you have a communist avatar.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887623]It's true to them, though. That's what I'm trying to say. Calling them illogical won't help anything because faith doesn't follow the rules of logic. I know that that sounds [i]exactly[/i] like I'm saying faith is illogical but what I mean is that faith is a completely separate form of thinking. Logic doesn't really apply to faith is what I'm saying I guess. It's similar to how 'belief' doesn't coincide with 'knowing.' I don't really know how to phrase this.[/QUOTE]Mhm, I get what you mean. This is exactly why you can't really change a religious persons mind on their belief. Gotta let them do that on their own.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25887656] you are actually coming into this thread to directly tell religious people they are wrong when you shouldn't be because they do not have an influence on your life[/QUOTE] Oh ... buddy, you were so close to a logical, efficiently worded argument, then you had to say this. I never ONCE said religious people were totally wrong, I am an Agnostic, so I really couldn't give a fuck whether or not there is a deity. I never ever said religious people were wrong, or attacked people because they were religious. The ONLY thing I said that's even within 1000 miles of that was religion is illogical. You were so close to making a half-decent post. Sooo close.
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