[QUOTE=vizard38;25902989]It's still speculation and mathmetical reasoning. We'll never know until it's proven. I'm not arguing with you just to let you know.[/QUOTE]
yea but since there is some proof for it and its like all we know about them, then we say thats the most likely answer we never say it is the answer
What I'm seeing in this thread is that some people see religion as something outside of logic. Nothing is outside of logic to a logical person.
[QUOTE=Extinct;25903023]No
metaphor: I have never visited china and yet i know it exists.
Just because there is no proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I'm pretty sure "god's existance" isn't the kind of exist you think it is[/QUOTE]
you have proof of china, its on the news and its in history books
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25902966]read virus of the mind and then you will see why
[editline]7th November 2010[/editline]
not its not he is saying that when you are born you do not believe in god, then he says that many people get told by there parents to believe in god so they do[/QUOTE]
When you are born you don't believe in God, therefore it's the natural mode of thinking.
Because if uninfluenced by outside forces, this is how he's claiming we would think.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;25903036]What I'm seeing in this thread is that some people see religion as something outside of logic. Nothing is outside of logic to a logical person.[/QUOTE]
so are you saying logical people dont believe in god
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25903050]you have proof of china, its on the news and its in history books[/QUOTE]
God is in a book...
:v:
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;25903055]When you are born you don't believe in God, therefore it's the natural mode of thinking.
Because if uninfluenced by outside forces, this is how he's claiming we would think.[/QUOTE]
yes if we had no outside forces then we would not believe in god
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;25902949]This is not true. I'm not saying belief in god is ignorance. I'm referring to his statement "It's not something to easily get out of when it's really all you've ever known". If something is all he's ever known, he in uninformed, which is therefore ignorance.[/QUOTE]
I guess I wasn't specific enough.
When you're at the age when you're trying to justify why you believe in a religion, all you can come up with is "well, I was raised believing it". That age is generally towards your mid teen years. It's difficult to choose whether or not you will continue following that religion that you've known for so long or if you would rather go your own way.
At my age, I am aware of all the scientific evidence "against" a Godly figure. I know that my religion can be seen as that of an insane person. I am aware that religion has both done horrible and yet good things. I am also aware that my religion could possibly be completely false. I am not ignorant to the world, I simply choose to believe what I want, just as you choose not to believe.
And yet the fact that I still wish to believe does not affect you. Why should it? Your belief in the art of science doesn't bother me and my belief in my religion should not bother you. As long as we both keep it to ourselves, there should really be no problem.
I'm a firm believer in neutrality unless provoked. In more subjects than just religion vs. science.
By the way, what if the bible we know today is just a misrepresentation of the actual document?
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;25903067]God is in a book...
:v:[/QUOTE]
yes but one book has passed review by scientists also we cant see god like we can china
[QUOTE=Extinct;25902960]My guess is that galileo galilei was indoctrinated at birth and was also ignorant.
You can't judge an entire civilisation because of what they follow/followed[/QUOTE]
You just contradicted your previous statement with your first statement. And to your second sentence: If a group of animals walk like ducks, look like ducks, and quack like ducks, then they're ducks. Your arguments are really flawed man...
[QUOTE=vizard38;25903079]By the way, what if the bible we know today is just a misrepresentation of the actual document?[/QUOTE]
scientists think that it came from many other older religions just getting read wrong over many years
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25903077]yes if we had no outside forces then we would not believe in god[/QUOTE]
By that logic, there must've been a point where no one believed.
However, what's being argued is the opposite, there's a point where everyone believed, and his explanation was indoctrination, which breeds circular logic.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;25903108]You just contradicted your previous statement with your first statement. And to your second sentence: If a group of animals walk like ducks, look like ducks, and quack like ducks, then they're ducks. Your arguments are really flawed man...[/QUOTE]
No
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25903095]yes but one book has passed review by scientists also we cant see god like we can china[/QUOTE]
You sure?
Would miracles count as a work of god?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25903121]scientists think that it came from many other older religions just getting read wrong over many years[/QUOTE]
This I agree very very much.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;25903128]By that logic, there must've been a point where no one believed.
However, what's being argued is the opposite, there's a point where everyone believed, and his explanation was indoctrination, which breeds circular logic.[/QUOTE]
well I think when he said everyone he meant a lot of people with religious parents
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25903058]so are you saying logical people dont believe in god[/QUOTE]
I'm saying logical people take the concept of religion (not god) into consideration and use their logic to determine if they believe in it or don't. Some people's logic makes them believe, some people's logic makes them skeptical. However, someone can't just believe in it without using logic and then have the audacity to call themselves a logical person.
[QUOTE=Extinct;25903144]You sure?
Would miracles count as a work of god?[/QUOTE]
no because miracles are just things that are out of the ordinary given enough times something happens
Yeah, religion bashing got quite old, in fact, you're quite a douche for doing it.
This whole thread was failure from the start. You know that rule "There are three things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table: religion, politics, and love" , yeah that should apply to the forums.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;25903108]You just contradicted your previous statement with your first statement. And to your second sentence: If a group of animals walk like ducks, look like ducks, and quack like ducks, then they're ducks. Your arguments are really flawed man...[/QUOTE]
sorry didn't wrote "(sarcasm)" at the end of the first sentence.
and yes it is indeed true that the actions of a man is what makes a man who he is but the mind might disagree with what a man does.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;25903180]I'm saying logical people take the concept of religion (not god) into consideration and use their logic to determine if they believe in it or don't. Some people's logic makes them believe, some people's logic makes them skeptical. However, someone can't just believe in it without using logic and then have the audacity to call themselves a logical person.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone thinks logically though. That can possibly be a bad thing, but if they use the said lack of logic to give them some hope in their lives, then eh. Won't hurt anyone but possibly themselves in the long run.
[QUOTE=Magick;25903214]This whole thread was failure from the start. You know that rule "There are three things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table: religion, politics, and love" , yeah that should apply to the forums.[/QUOTE]
Talking about religion on Facepunch is okay as long as you're an atheist and openly hate all religions ever.
[QUOTE=vizard38;25903138]No[/QUOTE]
No? That's not a very good argument either. Explain how I am wrong. Middle Age civilizations were almost all religious through indoctrination. That is fact. It's indoctrination whether he likes it or not.
[editline]6th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Magick;25903214]This whole thread was failure from the start. You know that rule "There are three things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table: religion, politics, and love" , yeah that should apply to the forums.[/QUOTE]
Many of the wisest men in the world have found that quote to be incredibly stupid.
[editline]6th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Extinct;25903215]sorry didn't wrote "(sarcasm)" at the end of the first sentence.
and yes it is indeed true that the actions of a man is what makes a man who he is but the mind might disagree with what a man does.[/QUOTE]
So the people in the Middles ages prayed to god every day but didn't believe in god? Your comments sound very poetic but they make no sense...
[QUOTE=77boy84;25903233]Talking about religion on Facepunch is okay as long as you're an atheist and openly hate all religions ever.[/QUOTE]
its ok, but expecting some with a different opinion to not interject is stupid
[editline]7th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Magick;25903214]This whole thread was failure from the start. You know that rule "There are three things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table: religion, politics, and love" , yeah that should apply to the forums.[/QUOTE]
if everyone was like that then we would never stopped having kings rule us
So the people in the Middles ages prayed to god every day but didn't believe in god? Your comments sound very poetic but they make no sense...[/QUOTE]
I'm not telling you that there is only one side. Some people were sceptical to this, like galileio, and some people did indeed get indoctrinated and was really ignorant.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;25903234]No? That's not a very good argument either. Explain how I am wrong. Middle Age civilizations were almost all religious through indoctrination. That is fact. It's indoctrination whether he likes it or not.
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(I'm talking about your arguement with the ducks) Ok, let's take bacteria for example. We've got Cocci, and numerous other kinds of Eubacteria right? Well, we've also got Archaebacteria which looked and seemed a lot like Eubacteria. So we've got two species seemingly similar, but recently, they've turned out not to be. Archaebacteria then can be divided into Thermophiles, and other kinds of species.
So your arguement was that a group of animals that acted, and looked like ducks were ducks. But that is sometimes not the case understand?
The entire point of this thread is stupid actually, from what I understand, it's a Christian telling atheists not that they should stop bashing people for believing in a god, but that they should stop bashing religions. That is ridiculous. Yeah beliefs in god are personal and atheists forcing their views in is hypocritical but if you seriously think that stops us from criticizing the actual religions and the Church and that doing it is somehow wrong you are just fucking stupid and that's all there is to it.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;25903495]The entire point of this thread is stupid actually, from what I understand, it's a Christian telling atheists not that they should stop bashing people for believing in a god, but that they should stop bashing religions. That is ridiculous. Yeah beliefs in god are personal and atheists forcing their views in is hypocritical but if you seriously think that stops us from criticizing the actual religions and the Church is somehow wrong you are just fucking stupid and that's all there is to it.[/QUOTE]
basicly, yes.
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