• Enough of the religion bashing
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[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886171]It really is not logical to believe in anything, given that we cannot prove that we are even real. Or we cannot prove that we are not in a machine like the one in the Matrix movies.[/QUOTE] This is true, but I prefer to at least think over things, and think about existence. I know I could be, and probably am flat wrong. I'm pretty sure that just about everyone is.
Religion has been the bane of mankind, shit brought about the crusades, inquisition, etc. Put us back 600 years or so in terms of technology. They're meant to control people, has no solid evidence for its existence other than some old books and has caused nothing but pain. I believe I have the right to say whatever I want about religion, as you should have the right to say I'm wrong, or what I believe is wrong. People will always seek to control other people, and people will always try to pass on what they think is right, it's just human nature. So, my point is, harden the fuck up and deal with it.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886184]Prove.[/QUOTE] I AM THINKING. I CAN TELL I AM THINKING BECAUSE I AM. THEREFORE I EXIST. i dont know if you exist. but i know that i do.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886173][editline]6th November 2010[/editline] i think therefore i am. eat it.[/QUOTE] ummmm blade runner?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886173]i think therefore i am. eat it.[/QUOTE] yeah, because what descartes says is absolutely true forever, right?
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;25886191]Religion has been the bane of mankind, shit brought about the crusades, inquisition, etc. Put us back 600 years or so in terms of technology. They're meant to control people, has no solid evidence for its existence other than some old books and has caused nothing but pain. I believe I have the right to say whatever I want about religion, as you should have the right to say I'm wrong, or what I believe is wrong. People will always seek to control other people, and people will always try to pass on what they think is right, it's just human nature. So, my point is, harden the fuck up and deal with it.[/QUOTE] no please stop. religion was pretty handy, gave monks time to learn about the world and shit and become the first scientists. but honestly its past its due date.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886132]i dont argue whether the people holding the beliefs are dumb or not. im simply demonstrating that holding those beliefs is illogical.[/QUOTE] You don't directly argue it, but it's implied by your arguments.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886209]no please stop. religion was pretty handy, gave monks time to learn about the world and shit and become the first scientists. but honestly its past its due date.[/QUOTE] It also caused a several hundred year gap where we burned "witches" alive and made no technological advancements whatsoever.
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886194]yeah, because what descartes says is absolutely true forever, right?[/QUOTE] i exist. my evidence of this is that i am aware of myself, or what i perceive to be me. now the burden of proof is on you boy.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886192]I AM THINKING. I CAN TELL I AM THINKING BECAUSE I AM. THEREFORE I EXIST. i dont know if you exist. but i know that i do.[/QUOTE] funny thing! descartes says in metaphysics that the only reason we can even think is because of god's divine spark (i think, i read it a loong time ago and it didnt really stick). but like i said, everything that descartes says isnt necessarily true, hes just a philosopher. [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Ghost394;25886230]It also caused a several hundred year gap where we burned "witches" alive and made no technological advancements whatsoever.[/QUOTE] lmao "no technological advances during the renaissance"
am I seriously the only one who made anything that was remotely a pun?
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886244]funny thing! descartes says in metaphysics that the only reason we can even think is because of god's divine spark (i think, i read it a loong time ago and it didnt really stick). but like i said, everything that descartes says isnt necessarily true, hes just a philosopher.[/QUOTE] not everything a person said is true? by the gods! also not at one point did i claim everything he said was true. what the fuck. i said "i think therefore i am." nothing more nothing less. just because he said it first, doesnt mean im referencing him at all.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886243]i exist. my evidence of this is that i am aware of myself, or what i perceive to be me. now the burden of proof is on you boy.[/QUOTE] im just saying that you cant submit a philosophical supposition as incontrovertible truth. what if somebody comes along and has a better idea? whos to say whos right and whos wrong?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886192]I AM THINKING. I CAN TELL I AM THINKING BECAUSE I AM. THEREFORE I EXIST. i dont know if you exist. but i know that i do.[/QUOTE] WELL I CAN SEE FROGS JUMPING. I CAN TELL FROGS ARE JUMPING BECAUSE THEY ARE. :frog: No. That is an incredibly hollow thought to have about the words I have offered up.
[QUOTE=PeanutTHENINJA;25886261]am I seriously the only one who made anything that was remotely a pun?[/QUOTE] Mine wasn't a pun, more or less poking fun at how there's always different religions being bashed and FP has these kinds of fights.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886270]WELL I CAN SEE FROGS JUMPING. I CAN TELL FROGS ARE JUMPING BECAUSE THEY ARE. :frog: No. That is an incredibly hollow thought to have about the words I have offered up.[/QUOTE] It's hard to say we don't exist when we perceive and think as we do.
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886267]im just saying that you cant submit a philosophical supposition as incontrovertible truth. what if somebody comes along and has a better idea? whos to say whos right and whos wrong?[/QUOTE] like i said. when you can provide some sort of counter to "i think therefore i am", ill be glad to hear it. however this seems to be the best belief at the moment. [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886270]WELL I CAN SEE FROGS JUMPING. I CAN TELL FROGS ARE JUMPING BECAUSE THEY ARE. :frog: No. That is an incredibly hollow thought to have about the words I have offered up.[/QUOTE] no it could be a matrix like simulation or whatever.
wow i literally stopped understanding this thread after post 40
[QUOTE=JackBlacknes;25886193]ummmm blade runner?[/QUOTE] Oh, yes. Je remembre maintenant. Oh, did I conjugate that right?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;25886285]It's hard to say we don't exist when we perceive and think as we do.[/QUOTE] its hard to not exist and yet perceive anything.
I just ignore religious discussions.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886303]Oh, yes. Je remembre maintenant. Oh, did I conjugate that right?[/QUOTE] ive never watched blade runner entirely but it seems the problem in that movie, would be the difficulty of the robots to prove their existence as a conscious being. completely different from you proving your existence as a conscious being to yourself.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886288]like i said. when you can provide some sort of counter to "i think therefore i am", ill be glad to hear it. however this seems to be the best belief at the moment.[/QUOTE] and some people believe in god and for them thats the best belief at the moment. no big deal, lets move on.
[QUOTE=Sharkcheater;25886307]I just ignore religious discussions.[/QUOTE] why the fuck are you here then.
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886330]and some people believe in god and for them thats the best belief at the moment. no big deal, lets move on.[/QUOTE] except its illogical. and youre welcome to disprove that other belief.
[QUOTE=Roo-kie;25886100]yeah real peaceful kid i'll wait til you discover the real world[/QUOTE] I am an alt of a permabanned member. But that has nothing to do with any of this. You come into my thread, disrespect me and my beliefs, and expect me to keep calm. Who the fuck are you to judge what I believe in?
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886338]I am an alt of a permabanned member. But that has nothing to do with any of this. You come into my thread, disrespect me and my beliefs, and expect me to keep calm. Who the fuck are you to judge what I believe in?[/QUOTE] hes someone you projected your opinion to. this is a discussion forum. what the fuck are you expecting.
[QUOTE=Elizer;25886281]Mine wasn't a pun, more or less poking fun at how there's always different religions being bashed and FP has these kinds of fights.[/QUOTE] I was poking fun at how everyone calls religious people nuts and says "god is an imaginary friend" and such but apparently people can't joke about themselves. Edit: 2,940 posts. 60 more posts and I have 3,000. Today is a good day.
[QUOTE=PeanutTHENINJA;25886372]I was poking fun at how everyone calls religious people nuts and says "god is an imaginary friend" and such but apparently people can't joke about themselves.[/QUOTE] if you have to explain it. its not funny.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886336]except its illogical.[/QUOTE] so what if its illogical? if it helps you sleep at night thinking that somewhere out there in this great wide everything of ours theres some greater purpose or some cosmic engine pushing things along, then so be it. maybe its wrong, but i think that if youre going to call out people who have nothing left to turn to but religion, maybe because they dont understand science or arent great logicians, whatever, then you should take a step back and ask yourself, "why? what satisfaction am i getting from this?" superiority? maybe, but that won't extend any further than your own head. telling someone theyre wrong isnt going to make them start thinking about you and saying "hmm, maybe hes right", its going to make them start thinking "hmm, maybe hes a douchebag". im not trying to prove to you that god is real, i personally am unsure. what im trying to say is that when someone says "i believe in god" you say "okay."
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