• Enough of the religion bashing
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886381]if you have to explain it. its not funny.[/QUOTE] Yea, but sometimes you get those "Whoosh! over head" moments.
Guys stop, I think he might get God to smite us [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Permabanned user" - Benji))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=dogmachines;25886285]It's hard to say we don't exist when we perceive and think as we do.[/QUOTE] Or do we really? How can you prove that you actually are what you think (Or lack thereof) you are? I can not get around that particular argument though, for I have not studied this far. But an argument I give to you now is: How would you know that anything, aside from yourself, is real and not just a figment of your imagination. And your brain is not just giving you signals. Or whatever brains may actually do, not what those fake doctors tell you on the TV or in colleges. Because the world does not exist. No one knows. You can go infinitely deep into the realms of understanding this concept and you really would never know, "What is the mechanism behind my thought, are electrons an illusion, protons (Of have you understood the concept and actually seeing "atoms")? is this body that I possess actually made of matter, or could I turn into a puff of nothing."
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886420]Or do we really? How can you prove that you actually are what you think (Or lack thereof) you are? I can not get around that particular argument though, for I have not studied this far. But an argument I give to you now is: How would you know that anything, aside from yourself, is real and not just a figment of your imagination. And your brain is not just giving you signals. Or whatever brains may actually do, not what those fake doctors tell you on the TV or in colleges. Because the world does not exist. No one knows. You can go infinitely deep into the realms of understanding this concept and you really would never know, "What is the mechanism behind my thought, are electrons an illusion, protons (Of have you understood the concept and actually seeing "atoms")? is this body that I possess actually made of matter, or could I turn into a puff of nothing."[/QUOTE] even if you take that solipsistic approach of "im the only thing ever", youre still a thing. you cant really get around that.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886338]I am an alt of a permabanned member. But that has nothing to do with any of this. You come into my thread, disrespect me and my beliefs, and expect me to keep calm. Who the fuck are you to judge what I believe in?[/QUOTE] he's roo-kie, who the fuck are you
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886403]so what if its illogical?[b]so fucking nothing. its an illogical belief. im just here to prove that much. if you accept it as illogical and it helps you sleep at night i do not give a single fuck. but i refuse to let people treat it as if its an idea of merit or logic that has any place in politics, the classroom or science.[/b] if it helps you sleep at night thinking that somewhere out there in this great wide everything of ours theres some greater purpose or some cosmic engine pushing things along, then so be it. maybe its wrong, but i think that if youre going to call out people who have nothing left to turn to but religion, maybe because they dont understand science or arent great logicians, whatever, then you should take a step back and ask yourself, "why? what satisfaction am i getting from this?" superiority? maybe, but that won't extend any further than your own head. telling someone theyre wrong isnt going to make them start thinking about you and saying "hmm, maybe hes right", its going to make them start thinking "hmm, maybe hes a douchebag". im not trying to prove to you that god is real, i personally am unsure. what im trying to say is that when someone says "i believe in god" you say "okay."[/QUOTE]
oy, im gonna go to bed now before i get an ulcer. this is why i hate arguing about this, both sides are wrong and neither wants to admit it.
Hmm, this conversation leads me to deviate once more to another concept that I have been thinking of. Memories. What if your memories were erased and replaced with new ones? You would never notice it either because your memories of what happened at the time of having your memories erased would have been replaced with other memories. So you wouldn't know if your memory is false.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886420]Or do we really? How can you prove that you actually are what you think (Or lack thereof) you are? I can not get around that particular argument though, for I have not studied this far. But an argument I give to you now is: How would you know that anything, aside from yourself, is real and not just a figment of your imagination. And your brain is not just giving you signals. Or whatever brains may actually do, not what those fake doctors tell you on the TV or in colleges. Because the world does not exist. No one knows. You can go infinitely deep into the realms of understanding this concept and you really would never know, "What is the mechanism behind my thought, are electrons an illusion, protons (Of have you understood the concept and actually seeing "atoms")? is this body that I possess actually made of matter, or could I turn into a puff of nothing."[/QUOTE] okay but i still exist even if reality is fake. [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886453]Hmm, this conversation leads me to deviate once more to another concept that I have been thinking of. Memories. What if your memories were erased and replaced with new ones? You would never notice it either because your memories of what happened at the time of having your memories erased would have been replaced with other memories. So you wouldn't know if your memory is false.[/QUOTE] no you wouldnt.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886453]Hmm, this conversation leads me to deviate once more to another concept that I have been thinking of. Memories. What if your memories were erased and replaced with new ones? You would never notice it either because your memories of what happened at the time of having your memories erased would have been replaced with other memories. So you wouldn't know if your memory is false.[/QUOTE] someone just played knights of the old republic :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886430]even if you take that solipsistic approach of "im the only thing ever", youre still a thing. you cant really get around that.[/QUOTE] Solipsistic? Enlighten me, scholar.
I don't give a fuck about the quiet religious type, but I hate, hate, HATE organized religion.
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886446]oy, im gonna go to bed now before i get an ulcer. this is why i hate arguing about this, both sides are wrong and neither wants to admit it.[/QUOTE] ok where am i wrong exactly.
[QUOTE=reltih floda;25886438]he's roo-kie, who the fuck are you[/QUOTE] I am Dougz, are you too fucking dense to read my name? Or are you just straight-out illiterate?
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25886470]someone just played knights of the old republic :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Guy, don't dismiss it. Think about it. And no, I haven't played that since like 5 years ago. [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;25886458]okay but i still exist even if reality is fake. [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] no you wouldnt.[/QUOTE] Explain to me the faults in my theory?
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886471]Solipsistic? Enlighten me, scholar.[/QUOTE] are you thinking? (i doubt it but whatever, youll probably say yes) then you exist. you can know that much. because you are thinking. even if all of reality around you is fake (kind of narcasistic but whatever) then you still know that you exist. anything else? [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886485]Guy, don't dismiss it. Think about it. And no, I haven't played that since like 5 years ago. [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] Explain to me the faults in my [b]theory[/b]?[/QUOTE] first. you mean hypothesis. second. the memory thing? you wouldnt notice if someone changed all your memories. thats all. how could you possibly notice?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886499]are you thinking? (i doubt it but whatever, youll probably say yes) then you exist. you can know that much. because you are thinking. even if all of reality around you is fake (kind of narcasistic but whatever) then you still know that you exist. anything else?[/QUOTE] But how would you know that you are thinking? You don't know. What is thought, really? If you have not delved deep into these questions then I suggest you should.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886484]I am Dougz, are you too fucking dense to read my name? Or are you just straight-out illiterate?[/QUOTE] guys guys enough of the religion bashing you dense fucks!
Explain to me the faults in my theory?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886499]are you thinking? (i doubt it but whatever, youll probably say yes) then you exist. you can know that much. because you are thinking. even if all of reality around you is fake (kind of narcasistic but whatever) then you still know that you exist. anything else? [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] first. you mean hypothesis. second. the memory thing? you wouldnt notice if someone changed all your memories. thats all. how could you possibly notice?[/QUOTE] I think therefore I am. I do not know one person that doesn't know that saying.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886523]But how would you know that you are thinking?[b]i am ware of my thoughts[/b] You don't know. What is thought, really?[b]an electrochemical reaction in the brain[/b] If you have not delved deep into these questions then I suggest you should.[/QUOTE] even if something is faking the memories of my own thoughts then i have to exist for that to happen? [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=RayDark;25886543]I think therefore I am. I do not know one person that doesn't know that saying.[/QUOTE] i said that earlier. like 30 times. you need, like. 30 clocks. everyone said that already. he's trying to pick it apart.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886499]are you thinking? (i doubt it but whatever, youll probably say yes) then you exist. you can know that much. because you are thinking. even if all of reality around you is fake (kind of narcasistic but whatever) then you still know that you exist. anything else? [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] first. you mean hypothesis. second. the memory thing? you wouldnt notice if someone changed all your memories. thats all. how could you possibly notice?[/QUOTE] Guy, I mean theory. That is exactly what I say, you wouldn't notice.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886566]Guy, I mean theory. That is exactly what I say, [b]you wouldn't notice.[/b][/QUOTE] are you going somewhere with this or what
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886553]even if something is faking the memories of my own thoughts then i have to exist for that to happen? [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] i said that earlier. like 30 times. you need, like. 30 clocks. everyone said that already. he's trying to pick it apart.[/QUOTE] Right, didn't see.
[QUOTE=FHamster;25885831]IMO vocal atheists who go out of their way to bash anything religious related are just as bad as vocal religious people.[/QUOTE] nope that is not true atheist is not wrong
I am telling you agreed with me and told me I was wrong. And I meant theory, guy.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886484]I am Dougz, are you too fucking dense to read my name? Or are you just straight-out illiterate?[/QUOTE] you're the one who asked who he was, why don't you go cry to your invisible man in the sky idiot
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;25886586]nope that is not true atheist is not wrong[/QUOTE] what the fuck is this. is this really a no true scotsman fallacy? or what. i dont even understand what the fuck you wrote but it seems like youre saying that no atheist would bash religion.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886566]Guy, I mean theory. That is exactly what I say, you wouldn't notice.[/QUOTE] Okay then you wouldn't notice big whoop you are the number one scientist in the world I wish I was you. If all you're going to say is 'no guise it is unrpovabel' and 'explain faults nao' then you are just as bad as religion.
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25886587]I am telling you agreed with me and told me I was wrong. And I meant theory, guy.[/QUOTE] i have a name you know
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