• Enough of the religion bashing
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[QUOTE=Dougz;25886767]I never said that's how logic worked. What i said was the truth. Can't be proved. Can't be disproved. You can believe in all you want, but I do not have to agree with you. But I [b]WILL[/b] not try and tell you what you [b]believe[/b] is wrong. Your beliefs are your business and no one elses.[/QUOTE] Yes, but you're irrational for believing in something that defies logic and can't prove exists. This clouds your separation of fact and fiction.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25886755]So what's the problem? If your faith is strong enough we shouldn't bother you. Or are we getting to you? Are you lashing out because maybe, [i]just maybe[/i], you're starting to realize that you're wrong and you don't like it?[/QUOTE] No, I am lashing out because you are trying to waiver [b]my[/b] fucking beliefs. No mater what you say, I will always believe there is a god.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886696]so were the people in the matrix!!11 but yeah. not proveable. yet its the simplest explanation. occams razor and all that.[/QUOTE] Now you are being unreasonably stupid as a substitution for actually being able to fathom an intellectually relevant point.
Don't want bashing then don't bring it up.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886767][b]I never said that's how logic worked.[/b] What i said was the truth. Can't be proved. Can't be disproved. You can believe in all you want, but I do not have to agree with you. But I [b]WILL[/b] not try and tell you what you [b]believe[/b] is wrong. Your beliefs are your business and no one elses.[/QUOTE] yes you did. YES YOU DID. [quote]Illogical to some.[/quote] right fucking there you're saying how logic works. can't be proved, can't be disproved. aka unfalsifiable. therefore unscientific, and therefore illogical because logic is a science. your belief is illogical. why can you not accept this? aren't you supposed to just have faith anyway?
[QUOTE=Jookia;25886779]Yes, but you're irrational for believing in something that defies logic and can't prove exists. This clouds your separation of fact and fiction.[/QUOTE] I may be irrational. But in my mind I am not wrong. You are. but I'm not going to try and curve your beliefs about anything. I respect your beliefs. Just as you should respect mine and try not to make me believe in anything other than what I believe in.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886767]I never said that's how logic worked. What i said was the truth. Can't be proved. Can't be disproved. You can believe in all you want, but I do not have to agree with you. But I [b]WILL[/b] not try and tell you what you [b]believe[/b] is wrong. [b][highlight]Your beliefs are your business and no one elses.[/b][/highlight][/QUOTE] Not once you post them on a public forum.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886810]I may be irrational. But in my mind I am not wrong. You are. but I'm not going to try and curve your beliefs about anything. I respect your beliefs. Just as you should respect mine and try not to believe in anything other than what I believe in.[/QUOTE] you're rational. you're logical. however, one of your beliefs isn't. [editline]6th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25886812]Not once you post them on a public forum.[/QUOTE] [img]http://static.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/zing.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25886812]Not once you post them on a public forum.[/QUOTE] I didn't post this thread to be a dumbass debate on if there is a god or not. made this thread to stop being fucking bashed on for believing in something.
Religion is an important part of humanity, and it will always remain so. I don't really have a problem with that as long as those with a certain belief will go attacking other beliefs unjustly. except if it has to do anything with religions everyone will agree to be dumb, like scientology and westboro
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25886639]It's hypocrisy, the people on these forums who bash religion and say it is wrong are trying to force their own beliefs on you.[/QUOTE] Please tell us your definition of hypocrisy.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886767]I never said that's how logic worked. What i said was the truth. Can't be proved. Can't be disproved. You can believe in all you want, but I do not have to agree with you. But I [B]WILL[/B] not try and tell you what you [B]believe[/B] is wrong. Your beliefs are your business and no one elses.[/QUOTE] But that's the point. Your god is unfalsifiable and unproven- yet most religious people [b]STILL[/b] insist that it has a place in both science and the government. And if you don't, then that's fine, but just acknowledge that when we're bashing religion or religious people we're [b]not fucking talking about you.[/b]
[QUOTE=Jookia;25886704]You can believe what you want, I just don't approve of it. For example, mosts Christians don't support killing their children or other's children as it's morally wrong, is a sin and breaks on of the ten commandments. Yet they'd do it if their god told them to do it.[/QUOTE] This is what I mean by DON'T BLAME THE RELIGION, BLAME THE PEOPLE. Look at Stalin, and Soviet Russia. Basically against religion in all means. They still did a bunch of fucked up stuff. People are just using religion as a scapegoat. Hardcore atheists on Facepunch looking for any hint of crimes caused by religious people and posting it on the In The News board are just being like Fox News, telling everybody what they want them to know, and nothing else. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union[/url]
well if you dont want to discuss then you dont have to but i will say that you will not learn that many things in life if you dont look at other peoples opinions
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886810]I may be irrational. [b]But in my mind I am not wrong.[/b] You are. but I'm not going to try and curve your beliefs about anything. I respect your beliefs. Just as you should respect mine and try not to believe in anything other than what I believe in.[/QUOTE] [quote]Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.[2] Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.[/quote] your denial is entirely predictable in such a situation. as a culture we value being logical and rational, therefore would deny that we hold beliefs that do not conform to this.
I love how EVERY single one of these threads comes in generalizing almost all of FPs atheists while bitching about being generalized. Shut up, keep your beliefs to yourself and learn how to make a thread without looking like a hypocritical dickhole.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886679]how the fuck did you connect those two completely irrelevant points. bashing religion is basically pointing out how illogical it is. forcing beliefs is completely different. bashing religion points out flaws and leaves you to make your own choice after that? no one is stopping you from making an illogical choice. they are just pointing out that it is in fact illogical.[/QUOTE] Well let us see. By you out of no where saying religion is wrong, you are implying that they have incorrect beliefs and yours are correct so you are forcing your beliefs on to them. I love how you say religion is illogical, almost as if to show that you have higher intelligence than all that believe in religion. People like you, really are as bad as the religious nuts that tell atheists and other religions are wrong. They do not need you to go around telling them they are wrong, keep your beliefs to yourself.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886830]I didn't post this thread to be a dumbass debate on if there is a god or not. made this thread to stop being fucking bashed on for believing in something.[/QUOTE] [quote]But most of the time atheists are trying to budge in and tell me what to believe.[/quote] The second you generalized you made your statement confrontational and it stopped mattering what your delicate sensibilities wanted. If you didn't generalize I likely wouldn't even have replied.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25886860]Well let us see. By you out of no where saying religion is wrong, you are implying that they have incorrect beliefs and yours are correct so you are forcing your beliefs on to them.[b]no i am implying that their beliefs are illogical and whether that makes them "right" or "wrong" is up to them to decide[/b] I love how you say religion is illogical, almost as if to show that you have higher intelligence than all that believe in religion.[b]no. im sure there are intelligent religious people and stupid atheists[/b] People like you, really are as bad as the religious nuts that tell atheists and other religions are wrong. They do not need you to go around telling them they are wrong, keep your beliefs to yourself.[/QUOTE] you made so many fucking jumps in a row that i really wish this argument went slower so i could pick them all apart.
[QUOTE=BBKF;25886855]I love how EVERY single one of these threads comes in generalizing almost all of FPs atheists while bitching about being generalized. Shut up, keep your beliefs to yourself and learn how to make a thread without looking like a hypocritical dickhole.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25886862]The second you generalized you made your statement confrontational and it stopped mattering what your delicate sensibilities wanted. If you didn't generalize I likely wouldn't even have replied.[/QUOTE] Did you read the OP where I thanked some of the FP atheists for not trying to budge in. If I was generalizing I would've said all of FPs atheists are trying to make me stop believing. Read the OP you stupid bastard. [QUOTE=OP]I'm Christian, and I've never forced my beliefs upon anybody. Don't tell me what to think, I won't tell you what to think. [b]I know there are some quiet atheists on this forum who don't get all involved in bashing on religious people, and I thank you for that[/b], I don't ever get into all that shit either, I'll have my beliefs. But most of the time atheists are trying to budge in and tell me what to believe. Don't you dare tell me what to think and I'll treat you the same. I'm no hardcore Christian but I do have my beliefs and they are pretty set in stone. Don't try to sway me from my beliefs, ever. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25886860]Well let us see. By you out of no where saying religion is wrong, you are implying that they have incorrect beliefs and yours are correct so you are forcing your beliefs on to them. I love how you say religion is illogical, almost as if to show that you have higher intelligence than all that believe in religion. People like you, really are as bad as the religious nuts that tell atheists and other religions are wrong. They do not need you to go around telling them they are wrong, keep your beliefs to yourself.[/QUOTE] Or you can let people say what they want, and you can deal with it in any way you please. Hopefully, to me, it is in a way in which you do not incite harsh words and insults, or instigate the hating by yourself.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886885]Did you read the OP where I thanked some of the FP atheists for not trying to budge in. If I was generalizing I would've said all of FPs atheists are trying to make me stop believing. Read the OP you stupid bastard.[/QUOTE] i thank some black people for not robbing me.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25886898]i thank some black people for not robbing me.[/QUOTE] Alright. I thank some people for not robbing me. People steal. Is that generalizing or is that fact?
The only times I'm hostile towards religion/religious people are when I'm trolling or someone says something retarded.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;25886916]The only times I'm hostile towards religion/religious people are when I'm trolling or [b]someone says something retarded.[/b][/QUOTE] like that its logical to believe in a deity?
You see OP, if you actually cared about your religion you wouldn't even make this thread. And now look what you have done, people are arguing.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25886860]I love how you say religion is illogical, almost as if to show that you have higher intelligence.[/QUOTE] I love how you say religion and faith in general aren't totally illogical and go against all the good, logic, reason an adaptable and changeable set of beliefs are for(atheism/agnosticism). Religion is illogical, but in no way asking for bashing. Shouting your biased opinions about it and denying common sense over it, like you are is begging for bashing.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;25886932]You see OP, if you actually cared about your religion you wouldn't even make this thread. And now look what you have done, people are arguing.[/QUOTE] no true scotsman fallacy detected!
I usually find it annoying as all hell when religious people whine about them mean ol' internet atheists, but I've noticed some of the types from our camp getting more hostile recently.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886885]Did you read the OP where I thanked some of the FP atheists for not trying to budge in. If I was generalizing I would've said all of FPs atheists are trying to make me stop believing. Read the OP you stupid bastard.[/QUOTE] [Quote=OP]But most of the time atheists are trying to budge in and tell me what to believe[/QUOTE] Hey, why don't you learn what a generalization is before you call me stupid, you're just thick as pig shit.
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