No, I wont respect your retarded belief that some crazy magical being created earth and people in 7 days about 6000 years ago, then fucked with them a lot then wrote it down in a book and ignored us since.
It goes against logic and reason and I wont stand for it!
Meh, non of my business, just don't fuck with education, running the country(too late) and advancement of science.
[QUOTE=BBKF;25887233]HOW THE FUCK DID I EVEN IMPLY ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE OUT TO GET ME.
You are so fucking stupid it's beyond being acceptable now, I said these are ways others beliefs can affect me. Not "all religious people are stupid loudmouth dicks." You seem to be the only one here with that problem.
You're not even arguing now, you're just making shit up and throwing baseless insults around.[/QUOTE]
Well, let me see. I told you should stop bashing people with religious beliefs for they don't affect you. You then say they do and use 3 examples, your examples which do not encapsulate the entire religious populace and so suggests that these are the reasons you are bashing ALL religion. I said you are generalising because you are bashing all these peoples beliefs based on a few examples they don't all do. So no, I'm not the one being stupid here, actually it is yourself as you seem to be contradicting yourself the more this argument persists.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25887270]Like I said, I had my definition of secularity mixed up. Again, I apologize for that. Church and state [b]do[/b] need separation. Religion has no room in politics.[/QUOTE]
Alright. Like I said, I don't believe in Reiching people who are privately religious, that is just their view. But I do believe in Reiching organized religion.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887232]is it forcing if someone changes their mind after hearing the [b]facts of the situation?[/b][/QUOTE]
This is an entirely different course. Providing scientific and physical evidence and thereby persuading someone out of religious beliefs is different than simply telling them that they're wrong and idiotic for having such views. It really depends on what stemmed the argument and where it goes.
[QUOTE=RayDark;25887234]You're an idiot. The majority of America is catholic. This means, and has shown to be true, that they will vote for a catholic/christian person.[/QUOTE]
Proof, please. Are you really implying that because someone is Catholic, they will vote for a Catholic /because/ they are Catholic? Preposterous. I'm Catholic, and I'd vote for a Buddhist/atheist/Muslim if they had better policies than the opposing Catholic.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25887255]Alright, I'm holding up my white flag here. I didn't mean to argue with anybody besides the people who came to shit up the thread. I respect your Kybalt and Raydark and many other people in here. But there are a select few that set me off. I apologize to any who I have offended or whatever.[/QUOTE]
I just hope you understand what I mean by this:
[QUOTE=Savaril;25887171][B]You need to understand that being an atheist is sort of like trying to take on an oncoming rhino with a shotgun to protect those around you. Yes, you're going to hurt some innocent people who are in your line of fire, but it needs to be done.[/B] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dougz;25887255]Alright, I'm holding up my white flag here. I didn't mean to argue with anybody besides the people who came to shit up the thread. I respect your Kybalt and Raydark and many other people in here. But there are a select few that set me off. I apologize to any who I have offended or whatever.[/QUOTE]
i respect that you admit this.
[QUOTE=Dougz;25886986]I don't let God interfere with my thinking and reasoning. I don't let my religion interfere with my personal thoughts.[/QUOTE]
You admit that you hold an irrational belief about the very existence of the universe yet you don't let it interfere with your thinking and reasoning?
How
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;25887296]Proof, please. Are you really implying that because someone is Catholic, they will vote for a Catholic /because/ they are Catholic?[B] Preposterous. I'm Catholic, and I'd vote for a Buddhist/atheist/Muslim if they had better policies than the opposing Catholic[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yes but 90% of the general public isn't like that, and is in fact, fucking stupid.
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[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-1"][/URL][/B] [B]The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity"]Christians[/URL], mostly within [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism"]Protestant[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic"]Catholic[/URL] denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively.[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ARIS2008-2"][3][/URL] Non-Christian religions (including [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism"]Buddhism[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism"]Hinduism[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam"]Islam[/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism"]Judaism[/URL]), collectively make up about 4% to 5% of the adult population.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ciafact-3"][4][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-Pew-4"][5][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ARIS2008-2"][3][/URL] Another 15% of the adult population identifies as having no religious belief or no religious affiliation.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ARIS2008-2"][3][/URL] According to the American Religious Identification Survey, religious belief varies considerably across the country: 59% of Americans living in Western states (the "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unchurched_Belt"]Unchurched Belt[/URL]") report a belief in God, yet in the South (the "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt"]Bible Belt[/URL]") the figure is as high as 86%.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ARIS2008-2"][3][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-5"][6][/URL]
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[QUOTE=LCBADs;25887240]I know. What the hell does it have to do with his (and apparently yours, for that matter) definition of hypocrisy?[/QUOTE]
I see what you're saying, I didn't fully type out my thoughts in my last post. When extremists meet they generally accuse each other of forcing beliefs, making them both hypocrites.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887293]This is an entirely different course. Providing scientific and physical evidence and thereby persuading someone out of religious beliefs is different than simply telling them that they're wrong and idiotic for having such views. It really depends on what stemmed the argument and where it goes.[/QUOTE]
ok thats good because ive never seen anyone do anything but "Providing scientific and physical evidence and thereby persuading someone out of religious beliefs". although many do include some derogatory terms with it. cough doriol cough
I respect Doug's views now.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25887287]Well, let me see. I told you should stop bashing people with religious beliefs for they don't affect you. You then say they do and use 3 examples, your examples which do not encapsulate the entire religious populace and so suggests that these are the reasons you are bashing ALL religion. I said you are generalising because you are bashing all these peoples beliefs based on a few examples they don't all do. So no, I'm not the one being stupid here, actually it is yourself as you seem to be contradicting yourself the more this argument persists.[/QUOTE]
I'm not generalizing at all, you're just another angsty 14 year old white knight who doesn't know what he's talking about. You say I generalize because of my examples? Not once did I ever compare your average religious person to ANY of those groups I listed.You said "others beliefs can't affect you" and I used 3 recent examples of how it can. You have no backing for any of your arguments and you're just either trolling or not smart enough to totally comprehend what I'm saying to you.
Either way, I want to be done with this, so just give up and go to bed.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887320]ok thats good because ive never seen anyone do anything but "Providing scientific and physical evidence and thereby persuading someone out of religious beliefs". although many do include some derogatory terms with it. cough doriol cough[/QUOTE]
Another thing I'd like to address is calling a theist "illogical." Doing so isn't really helping the situation because what's logical to you is science and what's logical to them is faith.
This is really the reason why people get so mad.
[QUOTE=RayDark;25887314]Yes but 90% of the general public isn't like that, and is in fact, fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
Oh look, there are twice as many protestants as there are catholics.
None of this probably makes sense since I'm tired as hell but oh well.
I don't care that they believe in something I don't see any point to believing.
To me it's more about the people who suffer because of religions, the women who are persecuted, the homosexuals who have their rights taken away from them. The children who suffer daily because they are acused of having spirts inside them or being possessed by demons, who are then beaten to "force" the demons out of them. The thousands of children who are indoctrinated are are told that they will BURN IN HELL if they do not be good, I'm sorry but telling children that they will suffer and will go to Hell if they're bad is a horrible horrible thing. Extremist Muslims who terrorize their country, beat and stone women and blow themselves up for their all mighty God. Extremist Christians who tell gay people that they're evil and being who they are is a sin and they will burn forever for it.
I can't take religion seriously when all these terrible things happen and I can't believe in a God who is supposed to be almighty and good when he lets these things happen and countless other terrible things. Natural distasters, stillbirths, murder, rape, torture, slaughter, all of these things could be stopped in an instant by your so called benevolent God, yet he doesn't. I just find it awfully egocentric to think you "feel" God or know he's there, or know you have a special place after you die while others, who are much much more deserving, live their life like it's basically Hell.
You have a right to believe what you want but I in no way respect your belief system or God.
[QUOTE=Hesychasmos;25887357]Another thing I'd like to address is calling a theist "illogical." Doing so isn't really helping the situation because what's logical to you is science and what's logical to them is faith.
This is really the reason why people get so mad.[/QUOTE]
okay but logic isnt subjective. its like the whole issue with calling something "just a theory". it isnt subjective to a persons opinion.
[QUOTE=RayDark;25887335]I respect Doug's views now.[/QUOTE]
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You guys both made valid points.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;25887364]None of this probably makes sense since I'm tired as hell but oh well.
I don't care that they believe in something I don't see any point to believing.
To me it's more about the people who suffer because of religions, the women who are persecuted, the homosexuals who have their rights taken away from them. The children who suffer daily because they are acused of having spirts inside them or being possessed by demons, who are then beaten to "force" the demons out of them. The thousands of children who are indoctrinated are are told that they will BURN IN HELL if they do not be good, I'm sorry but telling children that they will suffer and will go to Hell if they're bad is a horrible horrible thing. Extremist Muslims who terrorize their country, beat and stone women and blow themselves up for their all mighty God. Extremist Christians who tell gay people that they're evil and being who they are is a sin and they will burn forever for it.
I can't take religion seriously when all these terrible things happen and I can't believe in a God who is supposed to be almighty and good when he lets these things happen and countless other terrible things. Natural distasters, stillbirths, murder, rape, torture, slaughter, all of these things could be stopped in an instant by your so called benevolent God, yet he doesn't. I just find it awfully egocentric to think you "feel" God or know he's there, or know you have a special place after you die while others, who are much much more deserving, live their life like it's basically Hell.
You have a right to believe what you want but I in no way respect your belief system or God.[/QUOTE]
you have summed up pretty well why i do not respect religion or the belief in god. but i do not believe in one for the reason that it is illogical.
[QUOTE=BBKF;25887337]I'm not generalizing at all, you're just another angsty 14 year old white knight who doesn't know what he's talking about. You say I generalize because of my examples? Not once did I ever compare your average religious person to ANY of those groups I listed. You have no backing for any of your arguments and you're just either trolling or not smart enough to totally comprehend what I'm saying to you.
Either way, I want to be done with this, so just give up and go to bed.[/QUOTE]
Well I can see you are getting into the area of an argument where you resort to attempting to jugde someones age because you are angry at the fact I have shown you that you are generalising and have contradicted yourself. You are generalising because you are bashing religious people in this thread who have in no way effected your life and are basing it on other examples of religious people affecting your life. If you can't see that as generalising, its unfortunate because you seem to dislike anyones religious views and seem to be eagre to point out to them your beliefs that they are wrong, and use minimal examples to make yourself feel as if you are doing something that is right.
I think the people who try to prove religion wrong are just as annoying as the people trying to prove it right.
[QUOTE=Ninjarooster;25887421]I think the people who try to prove religion wrong are just as annoying as the people trying to prove it right.[/QUOTE]
there is nothing to try to prove. a belief in god is illogical. whether a person values being logical or not, is up to them.
i really never see an atheist attack a religious person, it usually happens like this
religious person: I think god is real and thats why i think abortion is a bad thing
atheist: but i dont believe in god so to me abortion is alright
religious person: well i dont care if you dont believe in god i want babortion to be illegal based on my belief in god
atheist: so your going to change the way the country is run because of you belief in god, but if god isnt real then that means your opinion is wrong
religious person: well its a good thing god is real
atheist: proof that god is not real
religious person: STOP FORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME
[QUOTE=LCBADs;25887363]Oh look, there are twice as many protestants as there are catholics.[/QUOTE]
Still, the protestants branched off of Catholicism, and believe that the bible is the source of all authority and decisions.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;25887401]Well I can see you are getting into the area of an argument where you resort to attempting to jugde someones age because you are angry at the fact I have shown you that you are generalising and have contradicted yourself. You are generalising, because you are bashing religious people in this thread who have in no way effected your life and are basing it on other examples of religious people affecting your life. If you can't see that as generalising, its unfortunate because you seem to dislike anyones rleigious views and seem to be eagre to point out to them your beliefs that they are wrong, and use minimal examples to make yourself feel as if you are doing something that is right.[/QUOTE]
You have used 0 examples to prove I'm generalizing, but every time you just prove your knowledge of the word generalization is wrong. I proved you wrong, showed you how stupid you are, and now you need to resort to saying the same shit over and over again. And bashing? Quote my post where I bashed any member of a religion? Other than saying in general religion is illogical, which it quite obviously is.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25887436]i really never see an atheist attack a religious person, it usually happens like this
religious person: I think god is real and thats why i think abortion is a bad thing
atheist: but i dont believe in god so to me abortion is alright
religious person: well i dont care if you dont believe in god i want babortion to be illegal based on my belief in god
atheist: so your going to change the way the country is run because of you belief in god, but if god isnt real then that means your opinion is wrong
religious person: well its a good thing god is real
atheist: proof that god is not real
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Well guys, I'm going to bed. I enjoyed talking to everyone, except fro when I was angry. :cheers:
[QUOTE=Kybalt;25887434]there is nothing to try to prove. a belief in god is illogical. whether a person values being logical or not, is up to them.[/QUOTE]
Now, hang on. You're insinuating that the religious don't value logic, a derogatory connotation. As a Catholic, I can tell you that belief in God isn't against logic - rather, God is beyond logic, and need not be proved by physical, Earthly measures. But, I won't go any further - just don't assume that the religious are all illogical.
I was never religious, I was raised Jewish but god was never a part of my life so I never ever thought of it, only time I thought of it was when I was when I was fapping and wondered if someone was watching. one day I thought about how the bible was written by people and that fast it occurred to me that he was made up. I felt so much better and fapping was easier too!
Also i can see why some atheists would like to talk about there beliefs on the internet. its because the religious get to push all they want in real life and if an atheist says something they are viewed like they are hitler, but on the internet they could say what they want without being bullied
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