[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33945144]Nobody's done anything at all in terms of "helping" me with improving my track, and besides, that's not why I put it on here. [/QUOTE]
What would you call this:
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;33858620]I dig those Midi drums.
Nah but seriously it's really good - catchy riff and nice vocals - [b]you just really need to step up the production.[/b]
At 4:00 it becomes great because the guitars get fatter. [b]Keep that style thoughout the whole song man!![/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;33867530]The MIDI drums are the weak point. I really like the riffs, and the guitar tone actually works really good - and I'm not normally a fan of that fuzzy tone in metal. Also, [b]change the solo guitar tone[/b]. It's horrible, scratchy, and painful. Whenever a solo comes in, I cringe a bit.
I absolutely love the vocals. They remind me cannily of a band I listened to a few times and liked, but I can not for life of me think of their name. They have a definite power metal vibe to me, while at the same time having the gruffness that groove metal is known for. I love it.
The lyrics also make me think of Between the Buried and Me. Very well done mate. I like it a lot.
[b]If you want, I can run those drums through GuitarPro 6, give them a bit of a beefier sound than those MIDI drums. Then you can mix them back into the song and see if you like it better.[/b]
Also, [b]don't change the lyrics[/b]. I actually think they're perfect as they are. Very abstract and non-sensical (again, like Between the Buried and Me), but they work so beautifully with your voice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;33872315]Well, here's a song I did some days back in GP6. It's written intentionally to be fairly generic (the idea was background music for zombie killing), but the drums are mixed into it better than others of mine, so you can hear them fairly clearly.
[b]Lemme know if you think you want to try with a drum tone similar to this.[/b]
[url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8416055/Music/ZKM/Dead%20March.mp3[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;33872461]They are part of the Realistic Sound Engine for GuitarPro 6.
[b]If you don't want to spend the dosh to get it yourself, I'd be willing to run your drum MIDI file through and give you the resulting .WAV to play with.[/b] I may have to rewrite or otherwise modify some drum parts though, because some of GP6's drum sounds are frankly really shitty (for example, toms are horrid sounding, and sound more like conga drums than any real toms I have ever heard in my life).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=fenwick;33873941]It's not the worst thing I've ever heard, but it could use some work. Your guitar riffs are pretty solid. [b]Get a new solo tone.[/b]
Your vocals and chords constantly remind me of Through the Fire and Flames by Dragonforce.
[b]Get a real dummer and a bassist, and work on your song structure. [/b] It's 9 minutes long and doesn't really go anywhere. [b]Your opening riff and your vocals are solid, but you really shouldn't transition into a long widdly-widdly-widdly guitar solo so early. And you really should have some parts that let the listener rest for a little while, it's pretty hectic.[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=chaz13;33878659]
Either way it's not good in it's current state but as a draft of sorts it has a lot of potential. The production is really bad [b](the guitar has no body, the solo tone is bad, the mix is not great (drums are too loud -and are awful samples/midi), the vocals need work, etc),[/b] but there are very nice riffs in there and if you take more time to play the solos without mistakes and the sloppiness they would be fantastic.
[b]The overall composition isn't that great either, it doesn't really lead anywhere any the solos feel randomly placed, you could probably do with rejigging it so there's some kind of build up, main section, downtempo midsection, crescendo ending.[/b] That kind of thing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CupUp;33907995]I am sorry but that sounded pretty horrible.
Here are the things that I suggest changing:
[b]1.The vocals sound like a joke and are almost completely incomprehensible, not to mention the obvious TtFAF ripoff. Work on your vocals, work on pronunciation and work on vocal melodies. Also your vocals don't sit in the mix at all.
2. Guitar tone. I know that it's not easy to get a good tone at home, but please, at least try. The guitars are so trebbly and muddy that they kind of ruin a lot of the riffs. Try to make them sound less punchy and razory.
3. Composition. I don't really see the point of this song, there are solos (pretty badly played solos, in fact) scattered all around the song, and the poor guitar tone sometimes makes it impossible to tell whether a new part of the song has begun. Revise your structure.
4. Get a drum sequencer like EZ, Superior or ADDrums. [/b]
From what I heard and understood of the riffs, they were solid, but nothing more. They were generic and I've heard variatons of them all over the metal world, but that's a decent foundation for the song at least.
bear in mind what people tell you here and just keep on trying. A little more know how and skill will do wonders to your songs.[/QUOTE]
All of those posts (particularly the bolded parts) explicitly mentioned what they weren't enjoying, and how you could fix that. That's called giving you help.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33945144]Nobody's done anything at all in terms of "helping" me with improving my track, and besides, that's not why I put it on here.
I don't know why you'd try and describe me as being "immensely thick", I've done nothing that resembles that kind of behavior.[/QUOTE]
Wow you're extraordinarily ungrateful.
I get that your pride is hurt, and everything, but you're just coming off as a massive prick.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33946566]What would you call this:
My "pride" wasn't hurt, I don't even know any of these people.
All of those posts (particularly the bolded parts) explicitly mentioned what they weren't enjoying, and how you could fix that. That's called giving you help.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
Wow you're extraordinarily ungrateful.
I get that your pride is hurt, and everything, but you're just coming off as a massive prick.[/QUOTE]
Wow, what a stunning rebuttal.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33946983]Wow, what a stunning rebuttal.[/QUOTE]
Now, you're the one sounding like a prick.
Am I? Because I said that your rebuttal (which consisted of nothing except you quoting me) wasn't particularly effective? Does that make me a prick?
So be it.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33947202]Am I? Because I said that your rebuttal (which consisted of nothing except you quoting me) wasn't particularly effective? Does that make me a prick?
So be it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, right there, you sounded like a bit of a prick.
...right then.
Is that the best you can come up with, given that your claims of no-one assisting you are clearly untrue?
I hardly like guitar sounds
but vocal ruins the whole song
it's like my friend sings alone with his headphone on.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
still better than justin bieber
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33947202]Am I? Because I said that your rebuttal (which consisted of nothing except you quoting me) wasn't particularly effective? Does that make me a prick?
So be it.[/QUOTE]
two wrongs don't make a right!
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33922074]I'm great at taking criticism.[/QUOTE]
i like this guy
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;33947883]two wrongs don't make a right![/QUOTE]
Pardon me? My reply was one of (sarcastic) confusion. I don't know why he 'replied' to me by just quoting what I said, and actually saying nothing. He's still said nothing, except that I'm a prick for doing that.
well guys that use sarcasm are pricks so
he's got a point
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheHydra;33948053]i like this guy[/QUOTE]
same here
There's really no point in trying to teach him when he doesn't respond to any criticism, he obviously doesn't want to seem vulnerable so he pulls up the "catchy troll dont-give-a-shit" attitude.
Ignore him.
Ok, Alex of Steel, let's start over. I will tell you exactly what to do to improve the quality of this song.
[B]Vocals[/B]
The vocals themselves aren't bad. They fit the heavy music. But compress it harder. Consider adding some slight reverb. HP-filter more (preferably just re-record with a popfilter and avoid clipping!!). Adjust volume accordingly.
[B]Guitar Tone (Rhythm)[/B]
I think you should use two Rhythm tracks for the whole song. Like I said before, 4:00 is really good. The tone is good.
[B]Guitar Tone (Lead)[/B]
Hmm I don't know. I think you should adjust your amplifier/effects. The tone sounds too gritty imo. Too much overdrive. Have the guitar solos in the middle of the pan (except for when there are two leads).
[B]Bass[/B]
You need bass! If you don't own one/can't play it, there is plenty of digital ones that will do fine. If you just don't want to do this, at least EQ the guitar to have more Low.
[B]Drums[/B]
There's nothing wrong with using digital drums. Those midi ones sound terrible though. There is plenty of software to use which can directly take a miditrack and just "boost" up the quality of the drums. Basically any DAW will work (FL Studio, Cubase, etc). Drums are important to mix and EQ well!! If you fix this, I think it will improve the quality of this song by miles. If you want me to, send me the midifile of the drums and I can return to you an Mp3 with "real" drums.
[B]The composition itself[/B]
This is highly individual. I like it.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;33948244]well guys that use sarcasm are pricks so
he's got a point
[/QUOTE]
well i'm not a guy so
you have no point
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;33948530]Ok, Alex of Steel, let's start over. I will tell you exactly what to do to improve the quality of this song.[/QUOTE]
Aww. You're nice. <3
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33907522]I doubt that anyone here does anything.[/QUOTE]
NYEHH U CANT DO ANY BETTER SO YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING HAHAHA I AM GODKING OF EMPERORKIN
^ how you come off
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33947546]...right then.
Is that the best you can come up with, given that your claims of no-one assisting you are clearly untrue?[/QUOTE]
What I meant, was that a lot of the comments didn't really say anything constructive. I know that some of them did.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33948054]Pardon me? My reply was one of (sarcastic) confusion. I don't know why he 'replied' to me by just quoting what I said, and actually saying nothing. He's still said nothing, except that I'm a prick for doing that.[/QUOTE]
I just said, when you said "that was a stunning rebuttal", and "is that the best you can come up with?", that I thought they were crappy things to say, becase they are. I didn't say that you actually are some kind of prick, because I don't know if it's true.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=deggie;33948503]There's really no point in trying to teach him when he doesn't respond to any criticism, he obviously doesn't want to seem vulnerable so he pulls up the "catchy troll dont-give-a-shit" attitude.
Ignore him.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually not vulnerable to anybody saying shitty things to me on the internet.
I put up the song so people would listen to it. If I needed a second opinion, I'd try to get one from someone I respect.
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33949313]NYEHH U CANT DO ANY BETTER SO YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING HAHAHA I AM GODKING OF EMPERORKIN
^ how you come off[/QUOTE]
I "come off" that way?
How come the actual quote from me is so different from the one you made up?
[editline]29th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;33948530]Ok, Alex of Steel, let's start over. I will tell you exactly what to do to improve the quality of this song.
[B]Vocals[/B]
The vocals themselves aren't bad. They fit the heavy music. But compress it harder. Consider adding some slight reverb. HP-filter more (preferably just re-record with a popfilter and avoid clipping!!). Adjust volume accordingly.
[B]Guitar Tone (Rhythm)[/B]
I think you should use two Rhythm tracks for the whole song. Like I said before, 4:00 is really good. The tone is good.
[B]Guitar Tone (Lead)[/B]
Hmm I don't know. I think you should adjust your amplifier/effects. The tone sounds too gritty imo. Too much overdrive. Have the guitar solos in the middle of the pan (except for when there are two leads).
[B]Bass[/B]
You need bass! If you don't own one/can't play it, there is plenty of digital ones that will do fine. If you just don't want to do this, at least EQ the guitar to have more Low.
[B]Drums[/B]
There's nothing wrong with using digital drums. Those midi ones sound terrible though. There is plenty of software to use which can directly take a miditrack and just "boost" up the quality of the drums. Basically any DAW will work (FL Studio, Cubase, etc). Drums are important to mix and EQ well!! If you fix this, I think it will improve the quality of this song by miles. If you want me to, send me the midifile of the drums and I can return to you an Mp3 with "real" drums.
[B]The composition itself[/B]
This is highly individual. I like it.[/QUOTE]
There are two guitar tracks for most of the song, the "rhythm" one is panned all the way to the left, so it might be hard to hear.
I've got bass, if it's hard to distinguish, it's because I played it through a guitar amp, with the gain most of the way up.
I just used midi drums because that's all I've got, and I like being able to write out the beats. Honestly, I like using them, because I think it sounds funny under this kind of music. If you can actually "fix" the midifiles, and make them sound like real drums, I'd like to do that at some point.
You've got a good idea going on, but your execution isn't very good at all.
And please at least try doing what the others have said about your tracks. What is there to lose?
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33865885]Coming from someone who obviously has an eye for quality, based on your avatar.[/QUOTE]
DID YOU JUST FUCKING DISS ED EDD & EDDY
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33953737]What I meant, was that a lot of the comments didn't really say anything constructive. I know that some of them did.[/quote]
No, you continually insisted that absolutely [i]none[/i] of them had anything of value to add to you. I was proving that you were wrong.
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33953737]I just said, when you said "that was a stunning rebuttal", and "is that the best you can come up with?", that I thought they were crappy things to say, becase they are. I didn't say that you actually are some kind of prick, because I don't know if it's true.[/quote]
As I said before, when I made the rebuttal comment, it was clearly sarcastic, because I don't know why you quoted me without actually saying anything. I'm a sarcastic person in general (particularly over the internet), so it wasn't anything personal. It was my roundabout way of telling you that I was a little baffled at why your response consisted of absolutely nothing.
Also note that I didn't call you a prick, either. I said you came across as one in this thread. And, well, you do, a little.
[QUOTE=Alex of Steel;33953737]I'm actually not vulnerable to anybody saying shitty things to me on the internet.
I put up the song so people would listen to it. If I needed a second opinion, I'd try to get one from someone I respect.[/quote]
I understand that. No one likes having people say shitty things about their work; we all understand how that feels. I agree that some people in this thread (particularly the first few responses) were unhelpfully malicious. But quite a lot of them were not, and you haven't really said thank you to the people that have tried to help you. People are telling you that they're not really completely interested in what you've put out thus far, but they're also telling you that they would be interested if you'd work on a few things. You should listen to that.
Stop bickering already you two, this is going nowhere and you're just making each other feel bad.
I mean it's not [I]that[/I] big of a deal, right?
[editline]30th December 2011[/editline]
i'll never know how this thread managed to reach three pages
[QUOTE=Yur|ko;33956418]Stop bickering already you two, this is going nowhere and you're just making each other feel bad.
I mean it's not [I]that[/I] big of a deal, right?
[editline]30th December 2011[/editline]
i'll never know how this thread managed to reach three pages[/QUOTE]
Er, I don't think my posting like three times in this thread counts as us 'bickering'. Especially when I said basically exactly what you said a few posts up, only a bit longer (because it was directly in response to something).
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33955988]No, you continually insisted that absolutely [i]none[/i] of them had anything of value to add to you. I was proving that you were wrong.
As I said before, when I made the rebuttal comment, it was clearly sarcastic, because I don't know why you quoted me without actually saying anything. I'm a sarcastic person in general (particularly over the internet), so it wasn't anything personal. It was my roundabout way of telling you that I was a little baffled at why your response consisted of absolutely nothing.
Also note that I didn't call you a prick, either. I said you came across as one in this thread. And, well, you do, a little.
I understand that. No one likes having people say shitty things about their work; we all understand how that feels. I agree that some people in this thread (particularly the first few responses) were unhelpfully malicious. But quite a lot of them were not, and you haven't really said thank you to the people that have tried to help you. People are telling you that they're not really completely interested in what you've put out thus far, but they're also telling you that they would be interested if you'd work on a few things. You should listen to that.[/QUOTE]
I know I said that none of them said anything helpful, but I also said that it wasn't exactly what I meant.
I am interested in hearing what things need working on, but there were a few comments that said things like, it's "abysmal", or "atrocious", one even said "you have mediocre technical skills, and the worst songwriting skills of all time", which is quite simply and obviously not true, so I felt those ones in particular didn't deserve any looking in to. I'm not angry or offended by them, but I don't feel obligated to be too patient.
Yeah, I definitely think some people were nasty for the sake of it. Just ignore them and listen to people like Rad McCool.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33960895]Yeah, I definitely think some people were nasty for the sake of it. Just ignore them and listen to people like Rad McCool.[/QUOTE]
That's what I was thinking I'd do.
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