• High Year Tenure (basically, US Military running out of money)
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[i] this was supposed to go in IN THE NEWS right?[/i] if so, oops sorry As far as I know this is the United States Military. Well I'm currently trying to finish High School on an American base in England but it looks like I wont finish it here in the UK since of a new rule the military have released called High Year Tenure. -story of my life (at least my dad said its new) why I'm mad basically the Military cut the amount of years you can stay enlisted in all branches because they don't want to pay as much. so I don't get to stay in this wonderful country. so the solution? cut the max amount of years you can stay enlisted to save money. Rundown if you are interested. from About.com [url]http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navypromotions/a/hyt.htm[/url] [code]Air Force (active and reserves) HYT E-4 - 12 years E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 24 years E-7 - 26 years E-8 - 28 years E-9 - 30 years Army (active and AGR) RCP, Effective Nov 08 E-1 to E-3 - 3 years E-4 - 10 years E-4 (Promotable) - 15 years E-5 - 15 years E-5 (Promotable) - 20 years E-6 - 23 years E-6 (Promotable) - 26 years E-7 - 26 years E-7 (Promotable) - 29 years E-8 - 29 years E-8 (Promotable) - 32 years E-9 - 32 years The Army has also changed the maximum age an enlisted member can remain on active duty from 55 years to 62 years. Navy (Active) E-4 - 10 years *E-5 - 14 years (20 years for Reserves) E-6 - 20 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Note: The Navy changed E-5 HYT from 20 years to 14 years, effective July 1, 2005. However, sailors with more than ten years of service as of July 1, 2005 may remain in the service until they are retirement eligible (20 years of service). For details, see NAVADMIN 056/05. Navy (Reserves, effective Jan 2006): E-3 - 12 years E-4 - 14 years E-5 - 22 years E-6 - 24 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Navy (Reserves, effective Jan 2010): E-1/E-2 - 6 years E-3 - 10 years E-4 - 12 years E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 22 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Marine Corps (Active) HYT E-4 - 8 years E-5 - 13 years E-6 - 20 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Note: An E-5 who has been passed over twice for promotion to E-6 may be separated at the end of their current enlistment, even if they have less than 13 years of service. An E-6 who has been passed over twice for promotion to E-7 may be separated at the end of their current enlistment, even if they have less than 20 years of service. An E-7 or E-8 may exceed 20 years of service only if they have not been passed over twice for promotion. Marine Corps (Reserves) HYT E-3 - 10 years E-4 - 12 years E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 24 years E-7 - 26 years E-8 - 28 years E-9 - 30 years Coast Guard (active and reserves) HYT E-1 - Cannot reenlist E-2 - 4 years E-3/E-4 - 7 years active Coast Guard service or 10 years active military service, whichever is greater. E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 22 years E-7 - 26 years E-8 - 28 years E-9 - 30 years[/code] I thought i should post it to spread it around since I've met a few people overseas on Facepunch. Do you think this is fair that they make you retire after said amount of years just to save on money? coming from a Sophomore I think its messed up because I don't wanna go back to the shitty schools in the states
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Stop freeloading off our education system yanks petition the government revolt
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;19882508]Stop freeloading off our education system yanks petition the government revolt[/QUOTE] no i go to an American school funded by the Military and im a Child of a parent in the military and we will have to move soon. Im American
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19882465] Do you think this is fair that they make you retire after said amount of years just to save on money? coming from a Sophomore I think its messed up because I don't wanna go back to the shitty schools in the states[/QUOTE] Yes, do you think that they want to pay for aged men to do nothing / guard nothing in military bases at places where nothing is going to happen. [editline]08:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;19882508]Stop freeloading off our education system yanks petition the government revolt[/QUOTE] They revolt'ed in 1776.
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19882465]As far as I know this is the United States Military. Well I'm currently trying to finish High School on an American base in England but it looks like I wont finish it here in the UK since of a new rule the military have released called High Year Tenure. -story of my life (at least my dad said its new) why I'm mad basically the Military cut the amount of years you can stay enlisted in all branches because they don't want to pay as much. so I don't get to stay in this wonderful country. so the solution? cut the max amount of years you can stay enlisted to save money. Rundown if you are interested. from About.com [url]http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navypromotions/a/hyt.htm[/url] [code]Air Force (active and reserves) HYT E-4 - 12 years E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 24 years E-7 - 26 years E-8 - 28 years E-9 - 30 years Army (active and AGR) RCP, Effective Nov 08 E-1 to E-3 - 3 years E-4 - 10 years E-4 (Promotable) - 15 years E-5 - 15 years E-5 (Promotable) - 20 years E-6 - 23 years E-6 (Promotable) - 26 years E-7 - 26 years E-7 (Promotable) - 29 years E-8 - 29 years E-8 (Promotable) - 32 years E-9 - 32 years The Army has also changed the maximum age an enlisted member can remain on active duty from 55 years to 62 years. Navy (Active) E-4 - 10 years *E-5 - 14 years (20 years for Reserves) E-6 - 20 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Note: The Navy changed E-5 HYT from 20 years to 14 years, effective July 1, 2005. However, sailors with more than ten years of service as of July 1, 2005 may remain in the service until they are retirement eligible (20 years of service). For details, see NAVADMIN 056/05. Navy (Reserves, effective Jan 2006): E-3 - 12 years E-4 - 14 years E-5 - 22 years E-6 - 24 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Navy (Reserves, effective Jan 2010): E-1/E-2 - 6 years E-3 - 10 years E-4 - 12 years E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 22 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Marine Corps (Active) HYT E-4 - 8 years E-5 - 13 years E-6 - 20 years E-7 - 24 years E-8 - 26 years E-9 - 30 years Note: An E-5 who has been passed over twice for promotion to E-6 may be separated at the end of their current enlistment, even if they have less than 13 years of service. An E-6 who has been passed over twice for promotion to E-7 may be separated at the end of their current enlistment, even if they have less than 20 years of service. An E-7 or E-8 may exceed 20 years of service only if they have not been passed over twice for promotion. Marine Corps (Reserves) HYT E-3 - 10 years E-4 - 12 years E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 24 years E-7 - 26 years E-8 - 28 years E-9 - 30 years Coast Guard (active and reserves) HYT E-1 - Cannot reenlist E-2 - 4 years E-3/E-4 - 7 years active Coast Guard service or 10 years active military service, whichever is greater. E-5 - 20 years E-6 - 22 years E-7 - 26 years E-8 - 28 years E-9 - 30 years[/code] I thought i should post it to spread it around since I've met a few people overseas on Facepunch. Do you think this is fair that they make you retire after said amount of years just to save on money? coming from a Sophomore I think its messed up because I don't wanna go back to the shitty schools in the states[/QUOTE] Well, it has always been like that sorta. Usually people do 20 years max mainly because they can't get a promotion. For example, a friend of mine had 3 years left (on his 20 year career with the navy) he couldn't make chief, he tried and tried, but didn't make it. So he had to retire at the end of his 3 years. But if he did make it he could have done another 3 years. Same thing goes if he made another promotion or not. I guess they revised it again, isn't that big of a deal to be honest. It's really always been that way.
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19882546]no i go to an American school funded by the Military and im a Child of a parent in the military and we will have to move soon.[/QUOTE] I don't really understand your problem. You go to an American school, in England, and you're reluctant to go to an American school, in America.
[QUOTE=MR-X;19882574]Well, it has always been like that sorta. Usually people do 20 years max mainly because they can't get a promotion. For example, a friend of mine had 3 years left (on his 20 year career with the navy) he couldn't make chief, he tried and tried, but didn't make it. So he had to retire at the end of his 3 years. But if he did make it he could have done another 3 years. Same thing goes if he made another promotion or not. I guess they made it shorter now, isn't that big of a deal to be honest.[/QUOTE] what my Dad told me is (in the Air Force at least) we got cut 2 years to get promoted or retire at our new max years. its a big deal. trust me after i got off school i walked around and everything i heard from men in uniform was about retiring sooner its a big deal when you put 20+ years into a job to suddenly be slapped in the face saying you have to quit sooner than you thought. ruins Retirement plans too
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;19882594]I don't really understand your problem. You go to an American school, in England, and you're reluctant to go to an American school, in America.[/QUOTE] It's a Department of defense school, i've been to a few myself. They generally higher quality when it comes to materials and resources. But the teachers can still be shitty. I went to a DOD school that was just built, everything was at a corporate level quality, had marble bathrooms ect, 4-5 stories high. Pretty nice facilities in general. [editline]08:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19882633]what my Dad told me is (in the Air Force at least) we got cut 2 years to get promoted or retire at our new max years. its a big deal. trust me after i got off school i walked around and everything i heard from men in uniform was about retiring sooner its a big deal when you put 20+ years into a job to suddenly be slapped in the face saying you have to quit sooner than you thought. ruins Retirement plans too[/QUOTE] You think your the only one? My dad went though the same thing. He did 20+ years in the navy.
[QUOTE=MR-X;19882639]It's a Department of defense school, i've been to a few myself. They generally higher quality when it comes to materials and resources. But the teachers can still be shitty. I went to a DOD school that was just built, everything was at a corporate level quality, had marble bathrooms ect, 4-5 stories high. Pretty nice facilities in general. [editline]08:46PM[/editline] You think your the only one? My dad went though the same thing. He did 20+ years in the navy.[/QUOTE] exactly. the schools are nice and over priced compared to ones in the states but the teachers are still shit. hell we got one teacher divorcing his wife because hes coming out of the closet well its different now because the MAX years has been reduced by 2 (unless it happened before too). sometimes its random like a prick decided not to give my dads friend the promotion so he pushed the Commander around to not give him the promotion. stuff like that this is official-no-discussion unless you got links in DC or wherever they decide this shit not trying to have a fight over "whose dad put more time into their country so therefore is better" just getting straight whats going on in the Government
I'm just saying this is nothing new, most people just don't care or know about it. It's never a big deal till it happens to someone else..shit like this has be going on for a while. Mostly happens to good people too, i've seen hard working people who bust their balls and put 110% in to everything they do and not get promoted. Then i turn around and see a guy who just got investigated for rape get the promotion. Usually it is the people who kiss ass and don't do shit who get the promotions.
Exactly. plus my dad has been complaining how people cheat on their Packages (resumes) for how well they have been doing. my dads good with hosting Hispanic Heritage and going to Afghanistan but some people are like I got a bronze Star for doing nothing but kissing ass while i was downrange and they would probably still be lying. you used to get a bronze star for being in a gun battle they treat the lower ranking guys better too. gave them the nice new houses built on base and the low ranks are getting them rather than officers and high ranking guys like my dad Example: a Tech Sgt got a house for the Commander because the commander wanted to live in Ely. coulda went to tons of other people td;lr of THIS post: American Government is corrupt. \/ Its my lazy way of the bold tags. imagine them as bolded letters to get my point across
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19882546]no i go to an American school funded by the Military and im a Child of a parent in the military and we will have to move soon. Im American[/QUOTE] americans Don't capatilize Every first Letter in The next Word like This.
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19883024]Exactly. plus my dad has been complaining how people cheat on their Packages (resumes) for how well they have been doing. my dads good with hosting Hispanic Heritage and going to Afghanistan but some people are like I got a bronze Star for doing nothing but kissing ass while i was downrange and they would probably still be lying. you used to get a bronze star for being in a gun battle they treat the lower ranking guys better too. gave them the nice new houses built on base and the low ranks are getting them rather than officers and high ranking guys like my dad Example: a Tech Sgt got a house for the Commander because the commander wanted to live in Ely. coulda went to tons of other people td;lr of THIS post: American Government is corrupt. \/ Its my lazy way of the bold tags. imagine them as bolded letters to get my point across[/QUOTE] Well, i was just talking generally. But looks like you got a chip on your shoulder.
Change.
Yep. it is a big deal. went to school after everyone was told and they are freaking out. kids breaking up because they are moving 2000 miles away and a bunch of other stuff. college plans messed up. looooads of shit
Are you near Lakenheath? That's where a friend is going to work on F-15s. By the way I'm enlisted in the Air Force as well. I'm only an Airman but at least I have one damn stripe. I fix F-15s too :D. Anyways, the Air Force is all about career progression. If you aren't advancing in your career then they kick you out basically. I can't stay a senior airman forever, I need to get finish my CDCs and get to Staff Sgt or else get the fuck out because I'm not advancing in my career to make room for the ones below me. They want motivated and dedicated people I guess. Which I mean, they have a right to do that. Although some of it may be that they US Military is short on money.. it's not like one day they're gonna be like oh sorry no paycheck for you we has no money.. Also, lower ranked people get the nice new places on base because (although they're lower rank) they get taken care of by the Air Force. Once you hit senior airman you basically hit a get the fuck off the base stage and you get BAH and an apartment. I don't meant to insult you hear but you can't go off everything your father says. Although I full out respect him for serving his country, you should join the Air Force when you can and build your own opinions. I also am not trying to disagree with everything he/you are saying. Although my opinions/knowledge may be slightly different. He has his points but I believe I also have mine.
Why do the Americans have a base in the UK, it's not like we're some threat to their national security.
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19898619]Yep. it is a big deal. went to school after everyone was told and they are freaking out. kids breaking up because they are moving 2000 miles away and a bunch of other stuff. college plans messed up. looooads of shit[/QUOTE] Sorry, why does everyone want to join the military? You get treated like dog meat in your training, you get put under high stress situations, you are forced to kill innocent civilians just to kill the apparent "terrorist" who is just a guy paid by the CIA. And then, after you finish a couple of wars, you go home and realise that everything around your life has changed and you'll probably end up with some form of emotional scar which causes you to stare into the distance for long periods of time and whenever anyone asks you about what you did, you shout: "YOU DON'T KNOW MAN! YOU WEREN'T THERE!" [editline]07:38PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kingy_who;19898725]Why do the Americans have a base in the UK, it's not like we're some threat to their national security.[/QUOTE] To keep an eye on France and the Russians.
[QUOTE=radioactive;19898735]Sorry, why does everyone want to join the military? You get treated like dog meat in your training, you get put under high stress situations, you are forced to kill innocent civilians just to kill the apparent "terrorist" who is just a guy paid by the CIA. And then, after you finish a couple of wars, you go home and realise that everything around your life has changed and you'll probably end up with some form of emotional scar which causes you to stare into the distance for long periods of time and whenever anyone asks you about what you did, you shout: "YOU DON'T KNOW MAN! YOU WEREN'T THERE!" [editline]07:38PM[/editline] To keep an eye on France and the Russians.[/QUOTE] That's very foolish to say... Although you are treated like dog meat in basic training, once you're done with that EVERYTHING changes. It's meant to change you. I've completed basic and now I'm a normal person, although tech school gets you treated like a 13 year old it's only because of what they have invested in you to get you to that point. Operational Air Force is nothing like basic or tech school. It's a normal job. Sure, you have a uniform, you keep your hair nice and you shave. Tada. That's IT. You say a few words before talking to someone to, to show respect. And you salute officers. That's not hard. I'm also in the military and I WONT be killing innocent civilians. As for the high stress situations.. I'm sorry that our career field has different stress levels then the levels of someone working at a burger king or walmart. Things are a bit more serious here. And even then.. things aren't that stressful. Only deployments become that serious. It's a normal job.. just with a bit more on the line. If I leave something on the flight line.. an F-15 might go down. Then I've cost the Air Force money.. and hurt the mission. That's where the stress comes in.
I didnt read all the post, but can't you move to england when your time runs out?
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;19898725]Why do the Americans have a base in the UK, it's not like we're some threat to their national security.[/QUOTE] They're not there to be against the UK, they're with them. It's also all about mobility. Being able to get a plane where it needs to be in a short amount of time. I hear that base is really nice place to go if you're assigned an overseas assignment.
[QUOTE=TINCAN;19898979]I didnt read all the post, but can't you move to england when your time runs out?[/QUOTE] only reason i would want to is to finish high school but i would have to pay the military something like 12,000 dollars to go to the school. like a fucking college. Yes Lakenheath! and to the other post Do you think planes have enough fuel to go from *insert military base in US here* to *insert Iraq city here* and back? what if they get damaged? yea i guess mobility. just like the D-Day scenario when we needed a place to stop at so we could counter the Nazi basically England, you are just a stepping stone for the US Military. haha we give you good jobs on the bases though. nice pay and you get benefits of Americans... i think but dont worry. if you ever decide to attack Mexico we'll support you "probably" and you'll get bases in the Bahamas. does that sound nice? we got ones in the Azores. 4 seasons all year round. heard its nice there. we have tons of Military bases in your country. also in Germany and Belgium to name just a few. some in Japan too. but ill stop talking about that. OPSEC. haha YEah! when your friend comes over here he'll learn to hate Mildenhall. they were in charge of Fuelling our planes before our deployment in January but guess what? they basically didn't do it! reason: it was too icy on the flight line at the other base but it was bullshit because all they needed to do was transport fuel. my dad was in charge of the operation and had to yell at 20+ guys from there. also tell him that British Stereotypes arent true. probably the exact opposite.
[url]http://costofwar.com/[/url] ~ over 900 BILLION dollars
[QUOTE=radioactive;19898735]Sorry, why does everyone want to join the military? You get treated like dog meat in your training, you get put under high stress situations, you are forced to kill innocent civilians just to kill the apparent "terrorist" who is just a guy paid by the CIA. And then, after you finish a couple of wars, you go home and realise that everything around your life has changed and you'll probably end up with some form of emotional scar which causes you to stare into the distance for long periods of time and whenever anyone asks you about what you did, you shout: "YOU DON'T KNOW MAN! YOU WEREN'T THERE!" [editline]07:38PM[/editline] To keep an eye on France and the Russians.[/QUOTE] /facepalm. You can't be serious. I can see this thread getting derailed very quickly.
[QUOTE=radioactive;19898735]Sorry, why does everyone want to join the military? You get treated like dog meat in your training, you get put under high stress situations, you are forced to kill innocent civilians just to kill the apparent "terrorist" who is just a guy paid by the CIA. And then, after you finish a couple of wars, you go home and realise that everything around your life has changed and you'll probably end up with some form of emotional scar which causes you to stare into the distance for long periods of time and whenever anyone asks you about what you did, you shout: "YOU DON'T KNOW MAN! YOU WEREN'T THERE!" [/quote] This. You aren't fighting for freedom, you're fighting for the profits of some rich asshole.
back on topic is it a good idea to fix our economy by kicking out the men defending us physically? i mean really. If you have a smaller army then you will look more vulnerable. and we owe a lot to other countries. if we get rid of (around 1000 SMsgt ) from the Air Force. out of something like 20,000 thats still gonna drop our numbers significantly especially if it happens to every rank in every branch. So no big brother to defend you when the school bully from China comes to take your money.
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;19883024]Exactly. plus my dad has been complaining how people cheat on their Packages (resumes) for how well they have been doing. my dads good with hosting Hispanic Heritage and going to Afghanistan but some people are like I got a bronze Star for doing nothing but kissing ass while i was downrange and they would probably still be lying. you used to get a bronze star for being in a gun battle they treat the lower ranking guys better too. gave them the nice new houses built on base and the low ranks are getting them rather than officers and high ranking guys like my dad Example: a Tech Sgt got a house for the Commander because the commander wanted to live in Ely. coulda went to tons of other people td;lr of THIS post: American Government is corrupt. \/ Its my lazy way of the bold tags. imagine them as bolded letters to get my point across[/QUOTE] Do you have a form of autism? Using capitals in such a way is common in the autistic.
ya know what? -snip- or id be a hypocrite my brother has autism you fuck
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;19898725]Why do the Americans have a base in the UK, it's not like we're some threat to their national security.[/QUOTE] I assume we kept it as part of lend/lease. [editline]07:31PM[/editline] Or some NATO shit, even though no other country has any military facilities in the US as far as I know.
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