[QUOTE=Zeke129;29304618]Yeah and it technically can carry a larger penalty than just downloading the songs from a torrent[/QUOTE]
Both of which, oddly enough, carry larger penalties than walking into a music store and grabbing a CD off the shelf.
I think it's more "Why pay when I can download it free"
I would personally think it's ok if you pirate something once or twice, but people who pirate everything are ridiculous. My friend pirated movies, games, software, you name it.
My moral sense of piracy evaporated sometime around when I turned 12 because I realized that people pirate or don't pirate regardless of what arguments you spew at them
[url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2653-Piracy[/url]
a good explanation.
What is piracy? One of the main reasons why people love the internet.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;29301567]Piracy is illegally downloading copyrighted files.
No, it's not stealing, but it makes developers lose profits, so some consider it almost, or just as bad.
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And developers are harmed because of piracy, because they get less money for their work[/QUOTE]
You mean potential gains? As far as I know they lose no money from piracy, they just don't get any from pirated content. 1-0 != -1
Piracy is the reason people love PC and publishers hate PC.
Piracy is compared to theft, because people who steal physical goods are no longer potential customers of the company who sold the goods. Same with piracy, which is why it's illegal. A great reason why people do it is because companies charge too much for their software because of the piracy rate itself, so I doubt that it will ever stop as long as Internet privacy exists.
It isn't theft in the legal since.
However, it is criminal conversion. Look it up, it's essentially theft with no intent to deprive them of their object.
Please explain the Humble Indie Bundle piracy incident to me.
I can't believe some people say piracy is copying, and that copying isn't wrong.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;29306593]I can't believe some people say piracy is copying, and that copying isn't wrong.[/QUOTE]
People will do almost anything to justify their actions. It's just something that humans feel the NEED to do. Like reproduction.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29304618]Yeah and it technically can carry a larger penalty than just downloading the songs from a torrent[/QUOTE]
Okay.
So copying of any kind is illegal.
Heck, even my V+ box at home is capable of recording a movie, storing it.. And even has the function of putting it on DVD.
Don't tell me about technicality when other large companies are endorsing it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;29307353]Okay.
So copying of any kind is illegal.
Heck, even my V+ box at home is capable of recording a movie, storing it.. And even has the function of putting it on DVD.
Don't tell me about technicality when other large companies are endorsing it.[/QUOTE]
Recording TV for personal use is fine, lending a CD to a friend so they can make a copy isn't
Well morally it is but I'm just going by the retarded letter of the law here
Lending anything to a friend for personal use being illegal is simply dumb.
I struggle to find substance as to how a person can get convicted for it.
[QUOTE=aurum481;29305945]Piracy is the reason people love PC and publishers hate PC.[/QUOTE]
It is possible, albeit harder, to pirate on consoles though.
I posted this in the video thread, a vid I made about piracy, very appropriate here
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x79cp70au8[/media]
[QUOTE=AK'z;29309256]Lending anything to a friend for personal use being illegal is simply dumb.
I struggle to find substance as to how a person can get convicted for it.[/QUOTE]
Technically, even playing that CD in your own home while a friend is over listening with you is illegal as it's a "public performance".
Couldn't the profits lost be considered 'potential profits' only if the person would say something like, 'I'm going to delete what I just downloaded because I didn't like it, if I had been offered a demo in the first place I would have been able to come to this conclusion without having to sort to this.' This is almost never the case though, as 99% of pirates have downloaded something with the intent to not ever pay for it.
We can all agree that sneaking into a movie theater without paying, even a relatively empty one, is wrong.
Right?
Same thing for piracy. Yes you aren't wasting any resources or making someone lose a physical copy, but you are getting entertainment that you should be paying for without paying.
It's as simple as that.
Somalians hijacking boats.
That is piracy.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;29311558]We can all agree that sneaking into a movie theater without paying, even a relatively empty one, is wrong.
Right?
Same thing for piracy. Yes you aren't wasting any resources or making someone lose a physical copy, but you are getting entertainment that you should be paying for without paying.
It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Sneaking into a movie theatre without paying isn't wrong because you're getting free entertainment it's wrong because you're trespassing
[QUOTE=aurum481;29305945]Piracy is the reason people love PC and publishers hate PC.[/QUOTE]
you're forgetting dedicated servers, modding, and not being restricted by X amount of maximum saves, among other things.
And piracy is still a big deal on consoles, Portal 2 on PC remained unreleased and unleaked until Valve made it publicly available. There were thousands of people downloading leaked copies of Portal 2 for Xbox 360 and PS3 weeks before it was released. It's just not as publicized because you can't really put any custom DRM on a console game, so developers don't have any control over console leaks and piracy.
Lost sales only occur if you intended to buy the game, but then pirated it.
I thought pirates hijacked ships and went searching for teasure.:zoid:
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;29311558]We can all agree that sneaking into a movie theater without paying, even a relatively empty one, is wrong.
Right?
Same thing for piracy. Yes you aren't wasting any resources or making someone lose a physical copy, but you are getting entertainment that you should be paying for without paying.
It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
That's common sense.
But in this thread, I think we are missing the big point of how redundant we are at arguing piracy :smug:
I have about 10 kinds of resources, Both Analogue & Digital... that will help me copy material.
It's whether I choose to distribute it that will be problematic, but even [I]then[/I] I wouldn't be public about it. And also it's not like people are dealing drugs, it's [B]inferior[/B] copies of the original source. :v:
Worth = Shitless
The piracy laws shouldn't be so strict. Some families are in tight positions financially and can't afford these luxurys. Besides, if they pirate it they obviously weren't going to buy it anyway.
because it's easier than going to the shop
Piracy happens because of the increasing price tag while games get less content each time. Also €50 is a lot for a game and I will never spend more than 30€ for a single game. All games I have on my steam are either cheap, were on reduction or another way like buying only a cd key.
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